Disability benefits should be cut

[benandoli]

OK so if a family has a child with a disability which results in that family having extra costs then they should have disability benefit and use the money to cover those costs. I am sure that many families in this situation should receive more. However, can someone please explain to me why a family who have a child with a disability, adhd or autism for example , where extra costs do not result , where the earning potential of the family has not changed as a result or indeed where the family never worked anyway should receive extra funds courtesy of the tax payer. Also why should parents in this situation receive a carers allowance and then work less hours as a result of the allowance rather than as a result of the caring that needs to be done? Many families are well deserving I know and they should probably get more, but many are working the system and getting their kids over diagnosed.

You work in SN education (not at my school is it? just, she was thick as two planks...)

Well, have you any specilaist qualifications?

And if I tell you I am almost 3/4 through my MA taught modules (And it's the stats to go) in an ASD MA, and have two asd kids, and used to work in the LD care sector- are you in a position to honestly know ore than me?

I think the OP does not realise also how difficult it is to get DLA nowadays - the "daily mail" parents she is talking about who play the system may get extra help for the kid in school (eg if the kid has mild dyslexia) but they would never in a million years clear the hurdles for DLA payments. Having a kid with autism and ADHD (as I have) means I can't work and involves in me in many and various expenditures that someone who doesn't parent such a child just couldn't understand (just a few examples: having bars put on upstairs windows to stop him jumping out, combination locks on front and back doors to stop him running away, hardboard base on all beds to stop his bouncing breaking every bed, reinforced hinges on cupboard and wardrobe doors to stop him pulling them off in his hands, a new DVD player every month, ... the list goes on, and that is before I even get started on his educational needs, tutors etc.) I think the OP may be confusing a sensationalist recent Daily Mail story ("Middle class parents play the SEN system with made-up conditions") with the real life grind of an SEN mum.

' But for every genuine family there are others trying to milk the system with no morals

EVRY BLODY TIME

theya re nothing to do with us

They are NT famillies taking teh piss not SN famillies

Why can;'t you aim the post at those then?

Really pisses me off !

Blame by what- not even contact as I don;t know anyone like that.

if you do surely you're more associated then I?

To sum up

flipprty fucking bolloxsy wolloxy uninformed shitefuckheaded doodahs.

Time thirty seven.

And the kettle has boiled- thank goodness!

"It just gets worse and worse. I'm starting to think this board has been infiltrated by American TeaBaggers."

More like this forum.

Oh hang on

are you basing this on what you see at school?

ASD is a situational disorder; it is accepted by profesionals (google this on NAS site) that children may present differntly in different settings.

There are many reasons- if a school provides in a way that a child feels scared they can 'save' their issues from home and become incredibly destructive; extremely poor and uninformed SN provision might cause this for example

Or if a child finds the routine in a schools etrting ehlpful- something a aprent might not be able to provide (Sn causing so many home issues, including basic aprental exhaustion, increasing likelihood of issues with parents or siblings that are genetically related, financial concerns, related depression.....

IME (which is directly through ds1) as time goes on the settings may switch; we have gone from having ds1 terrible at home and OK at school to him needing a 1-1 at all unsupervised times (lunch, breaks) in school as he is such a risk of injuring someone: actually he was left without for two days when the statement was being sorted- day one he was attacked and beaten' day 2 je badly injured another child leaving them with a swollen black eye.

Old SENCO at Infants used to swear there was nothing up though.

oh don't let the attention seeking op get to you.
it was obvious, the shitty people would come out of the woodwork with their half baked assumptions.

Wow, congratulaions OP, I think you have just earned a nomination for

2010 Mumsnet 'Dick of the year' Award.

Congratulaions.

I wish I could say I was suprised when you told us OP you are a SENCO. I wasnt, not at all.

I am very sorry to you good, well informed SENCOs out there, but you must know you are in the minority.

I work with Preschool aged children with disabilities. Part of my job entails helping parents choose schools for their children. Many dont want their kids to go to SENS so we check out mainstream.

Many of the SENCOs seem to have no desire to do the job, they have no understanding of disability and feel free to come out with a load of judgements, diagnosies, bollocks etc that they have not qualifications or right to spout.

As for DLA being easy to get - do fuck off.

My OH has Multiple Sclerosis and it too him years to get it. He gave up for a while because he is proud and he felt humilated. When my DD was dx with cancer I couldnt bring myself to to fill the form in, someone did it for me because it is so depressing.

DS get it. He gets lower rate care and mobility and I am fine with that. I am greatful. We use it to replace the things he chews, the stuff he breaks, for his eczema friendly clothing etc. We take him to places to help with his education. I know all you lovely parents of NT children do tha too but my son wont just 'soak up' education. He needs it virtually rammed into him or it wont stick.

He looks 'normal', he is a loving (cant possibly have ASD then , sweet boy. But he is disabled.

Its GREAT. We get free money and everything. Lovely new car for OH, its brilliant, well worth the progressive disease that is slowly stopping him being able to walk, and as for all that cash we got for DD, what a shame she went and died and spoiled it all.

As a wise person once said,

Fuck the fuck off and when you get there fuck off again.

Don;t wory 2shoes she didn;t p[articulalrly LOL

as soon as she said senco (no offence to good ones) I ceased to be amazed

Besides there will be sufficiently self interested people amongst the newly hit HR taxpayers (NOT all by a very long way, probably not even a single %) looking to random;y aim blame eslewhere; I figured the never have worked assumption was a suggestion that was likely in this case

for some reason people seem to assume these people actually have a f ing clue, but as I know form rl experience even people working in high up places in the sn education world, do not always have a clue.

Thefirst can I offer you huge great big ?

We're assumed to be easy targets, no more: people think we must be thick, unable to speak for ourselves, easily lumped in with some random 'other' of fakers they know all about.

It's not that far in terms of aetiolgy from every other bigotry; a sense of the 'other', is it?

Except I guess that my boys cannot speak for tehmsel;ves (well ds1 could but I woudln;t it fi Were you he's already very annoyed today). DS3 isnlt verbal enough.

OP in teh interests of whatever supportive ethos it is that MN used to be about if you wanted to contact me I have wonderful up to date information from a wide range of professionals in the form of powerpoints I would share with you.

"a child with a disability, adhd or autism for example , where extra costs do not result" from a fucking SENCO! God help us all!

To the un-educated and ignorant it may appear that "the earning potential of the family has not changed" but you try getting childcare for an ASD child.

Why not try a new career in the diplomatic service maybe?

Oh yes - carers allowance.

You can claim it IF you dont earn too much. Too much being very little indeed.

If I gave up work I could claim carers allowance for OH. It would only be a little less than I earn (I work very part time). you would think I would jump at the chance wouldnt you? I mean more free money.

Does it suprise you that I would much rather 'earn' my money? As would everyone on this thread. Who would choose to have their life choices taken from them AND be judged by a bunch of twats?

Hands up anyone?

In case anyone was wondering - yes I am having a bad fecking day!

OMG. If you know for a fact that there is someone claimng this money that we could all really do with to help with the extra expenses having a SN child brings then you should be reporting that to the right people, nt posting on here generalising. But do you know for a fact or are you just generalising about someone else's life and really you know nothing?

Starlight not homestart- wehn I worked for them we used to do a lot of screening to weed out people with no empathy or 'I know best' attitudes.

maybe someone less.... erm.... picky?

Oh and by law DLA can only be spent on teh child's needs: if a family is doing otherwise theyc an be reported and at an extreme banned from claiming DLA; I know a young man who cannot claim DLA as long as his Mum is his carer for exactly this reason.

there are some 'luxuries' you are allowed- eg holidays, a second car, etc but they are to enable things like access to experiences that are hard to nget if you ahve ASD etc.

Would I rather the boys could go [play with their mates (ds1 is after all 10 and we live in a village), attend a lcoal school I could walk to aprents evenings and meetings, go over the aprk without throwing someone off a slide or picking up random rubbish and licking it?
Absolutely. I;d hand the camping trips / extra car / over ten times over to get that! Goodness, i;d hand over my own freedom and sanity.

DLA doesn't even start to cut what the boys miss out on.

Carer's Allowance

£56 pw

2 chidlren with ASD both needing constant supervision and care

£56 divided by 2 = £28 (so per child- CA doesn't go up with number of disabled children)

Divided by the number of hours care they need a week-

16p an hour (well, 16.6 p actually). just what every postgrad qualified person aims to achieve from tehir working life, no?

what a spectacularly ill-thought out OP.

Probably gone to start a thread on all those people on benefits smoking fags and watching plasma tvs.

I'm gobsmacked by the op

benefit bashing galore on MN ..is no one safe from it

FFS - I hope this OP isnt actually a stupid, ignorant SENCO and it just a stupid, ignorant troll.