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Hahahaha: Cameron says sorry to mums headline in tomorrow's papers

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WilfShelf · 05/10/2010 23:22

'Sorry. We somehow forgot to mention we were removing the one benefit which universally protects women and children from some of the many financial inequities they face. But hey, we're elected now for five years and there's fuck all you can do about it...'

'But don't worry, as long as you haven't had the shame and disgrace of being abandoned to care for your kids by someone who refuses to pay his way, you'll be able to claw back a few quid a year in tax just so long as you get married. And those of you who do earn HRT, you can get EVEN MORE back...'

'I think you'll all find that's fair, no?'

He lied. What did you expect? Are you Tory, LibDem voters happy now?

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Chinghehuang · 06/10/2010 11:45

I wonder if the lovely little Polish children living in Poland receiving UK child benefit via their Polish parent/parents who are seeking work in the UK will be happy to know that the CB cuts will not affect them, I wonder? Don't want to upset any of our European cousins but I don't agree with Portable CB.

capricorn76 · 06/10/2010 11:50

I bet they can still find the billions for the new Trident missile.....

Aitch · 06/10/2010 11:58

divide and rule, ching, divide and rule. you are falling for it all here, hook, line and sinker.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 06/10/2010 11:59

I might avoid the Woman's Hour thing then. I already have to avoid Newsnight. Poor DP (who is no shrinking violet) can't handle the language and my general apoplexy.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 06/10/2010 12:10

but annie maybe those tory voters should have done better research into the types of policies the Conservatives like to bring in. It's not enough to say that you voted for them because you wanted a change. They have policies, they have form for this sort of stuff, and people need to be held accountable for their vote. If those people that fancied a change hadn't voted tory (and had instead done some actual research) then we wouldn't be in this ruddy situation!

tanmu82 · 06/10/2010 12:17

I'm going to write to my local MP....oh wait, it's David Cameron. Cr*p

doobydo · 06/10/2010 12:32

Analysis of the last general election show that the Tories gained a swing to them from women. So actually it was the women who got the tories (and the lib dems) in through the door of no.10 Well I hope those of you who voted for nice Dave and his sidekick Clegg are happy now. This bunch have no principles. Families and women are being hit hardest by their cuts but just wait til they start delivering a few sweetners in tax cuts as they approach the next general election. will you have amnesia and forget all of this and still vote for him? I am ashamed that so many women voted Tory and that the rest of us are now paying the price.
If you want to do something then demand to see your Tory and Lib Dem MP, ask them if they will vote for these measures? Set up a petition around others at school and make sure you get more than their majority to sign it. Ask your government MP why they are not considering an increase in the top rate of tax rather than hitting those with families?

fizzledrizzle · 06/10/2010 12:41

Thank you Doobydo - it is clearly anti-women.

Who is going to get the fall out from the money being taken out of circulation - cleaners, childcarers.

doobydo · 06/10/2010 12:58

All of us know that there were going to be cuts, even with a Labour government. But how those cuts are implemented and who they target is the real issue. If they cut too hard and too fast, neither those in the public sector or those in the private sector will be able to get our economy moving again. It is not just the risk of a double dip recession we face. If we avoid that we will see painfully small growth that could last years. If we all lose around 2K a year from CB cut alone, then we have less disposable income to spend in helping to boost the economy. Cameron may have first from Oxford in PPE but most of us could give him a lesson in simple day to day economics.

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WilfShelf · 06/10/2010 13:01

Annie 'blame the party, not the voters'??

You think? Erm, democracy works like this: if you vote for someone, you take responsibility for understanding their policies AND their ideologies. You know - if you do your homework - what they believe in. And if you don't, more fool you.

Everyone on the right scoffed when at election time, all the lefties said 'look, some of us REMEMBER the Tories last time...' Everyone who votes for them ought to know their principles are to cut benefits to the poor in order to apply what they think is a principle of prioritising work and wealth creation and self-sufficiency. The problem is most Tories are too thick and too right wing to understand how social policy works, or care too little to understand what life is REALLY like for the poorest and most vulnerable. They think the poor are just not working hard enough, and that somehow it is the 'fault' of single mothers that they don't stay married.

Get rid of the benefits, they assume, and they (or their family) will just provide for themselves. Their logic is immensely faulty.

And of course, they both lie and create smokescreens at election time to get elected. I'm sorry but I have no problem at all in blaming voters: the party in power IS its voters - and if you don't like what they're doing, I'm afraid you DO have to take some responsibility for that...

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CatIsSleepy · 06/10/2010 13:06

it is possible to be unsurprised by the lies yet still be disgusted

the ridiculous thing about slashing CB like this apart from the inherent unfairness in how they are doing it is that the stupid stupid pointless married couples tax allowance will wipe out any savings made

it's ideology not saving money.
no I am not surprised by it but I am sickened. Wish the libdems would do the decent thing and pull the plug on this hateful government.

Ewe · 06/10/2010 13:08

Couldn't put it better.

CatIsSleepy · 06/10/2010 13:11

love Charlie B

'The apparently self-penned bio on Cameron's website begins, "I was born in October 1966," and then leaps straight forward to 2001, missing out the decades he spent as a guffawing, top-hatted toff in between.' LOLOLOL

can't believe anyone trusts these wealthy, privileged fools to look after their interests

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 06/10/2010 13:11

I have long held an extreme dislike and distrust of the Conservative party, but even I've been surprised at quite how, umm, surprised I am by how thoroughly loathesome they are now they've got back into power.

Cat - I agree. The Lib Dems really ought to pull the plug. Having said that, perhaps it would be worth holding on a little while and giving the government just a little more rope with which to hang themselves...

jenny60 · 06/10/2010 14:13

Does anyone else think the LibDems are getting off rather lightly here? WTF do they think they are doing/going to get out of supporting this kind of thing. They will be destroyed at local elections next year, and what will they have to show for their pact? Even if the LDs agree that CB should be cut for higher earners, how could they stand by a party that has made such an utter hash of it?

tanmu82 · 06/10/2010 14:20

If the Lib Dems had a hard time getting in to power before....well, they've just blown their one and only chance of proving they would be any good at it. Doubt people will forget the betrayal for many a year to come. And doubt they'll ever get a taste again

Unprune · 06/10/2010 14:24

Lily, THANK YOU for making me reread that article

BIWI it wasn't that prescient - I am not trying to be smug but I was SO FARKING FRUSTRATED around the time of the election because it was obvious what was going to happen but saying it meant you got grief for holding a grudge against Thatcher (though tbh I am happy to take the grief for that) and somehow you were meant to be an apologist for bloody NewLab when quite obviously it was a valid position to loathe the whole sorry lot of them.

And AnnieLobeseder: I do blame people who got taken in, for being daft enough to be taken in. Sorry if you don't like that, and all.

Unprune · 06/10/2010 14:28

Oh look WilfSell has put the boot in. I really could not agree more with you there.

GetOrfMoiLand · 06/10/2010 14:35

Brilliant post Wilf.

Yes the lefties were mocked mercilessly at election time for their deep prejudices and long memories of the Thatcher years. It won't be the same the tories said.

'Vote for Change' was the tory slogan. And yes, they fucking well did.

Vote for the gradual erosion of the welfare state, and increased reliance on charity. If you fall on hard times, you may be able to have a few crumbs of comfort from the table, but don't you go expecting it young lady.

Vote for people who have no idea what real life is like (how many at the top table have actually had a real life job outside politics? Not the prime minister, deputy prime minister and chancellor, for starters).

Vote for a party which traditionally does not care for women, has very few in the cabinet, and immediately wants to introduce a law to protect the anonymity of people accused of rape.

Vote for change indeed.

But these are the tories, this is what they DO. This is no surprise. I retain my deep seated vitriol for the enablers, the liberal democrats.

pollycazalet · 06/10/2010 14:38

Where ARE the tories and libdems on this thread? It's like my student union bar in 1989......

GetOrfMoiLand · 06/10/2010 14:39

We have pushed them all in the sea

HalfTermHero · 06/10/2010 14:40

Agree with Wilf. If you voted Tory then right now I bet you feel like the cunt that you are Grin.

Unprune · 06/10/2010 14:45

What makes me so fucking angry is that I personally (and we collectively, I think, but I might be wrong) didn't realise the value of the investment in children and families that Labour were trying to achieve.

You have two or three generations of people now where a working life is not a given (as it used to be) - you can bang on about that being for X,Y,Z reasons and how we can't pander to it, but personally I'm not listening. You DO NOT get people to act by telling them how they should act. If anyone thinks engineering social change is as easy as that then they are twats.

I feel like Labour were giving it a good go - get in with the parents, help them support and respect and nourish and educate their small children as well as possible, and see if that makes a difference to outcomes later in life. We wouldn't have seen the benefits of it for the next twenty years, but one thing's for sure, we bloody well won't see anything now.

I ended up loathing NewLabour, I hated our involvement in Iraq, I hated the id card nonsense etc etc etc - but I have a lot of time for the need to try to change things for the future.

fizzledrizzle · 06/10/2010 14:46

Oh dear Dave's speaking now Sad Sad

All together now < sighs >

pollycazalet · 06/10/2010 14:52

Getoff..

I liked this from the Guardian conference coverage.

"After the coalition was formed there were suggestions that the only people in the party genuinely happy to be sharing power with the Lib Dems were David Cameron and Steve Hilton. That is certainly not the case now. Tory ministers say ? in public and in private ? that they enjoy working with their Lib Dem colleagues. "You don't think of them as Lib Dems anymore," one told me."