Hahahaha: Cameron says sorry to mums headline in tomorrow's papers

[WilfShelf]

'Sorry. We somehow forgot to mention we were removing the one benefit which universally protects women and children from some of the many financial inequities they face. But hey, we're elected now for five years and there's fuck all you can do about it...'

'But don't worry, as long as you haven't had the shame and disgrace of being abandoned to care for your kids by someone who refuses to pay his way, you'll be able to claw back a few quid a year in tax just so long as you get married. And those of you who do earn HRT, you can get EVEN MORE back...'

'I think you'll all find that's fair, no?'

He lied. What did you expect? Are you Tory, LibDem voters happy now?

Surely in the National Interest one would increase tax on higher tax payers.

He has not mentioned the CB yet.... out of touch.

GetOrf/pollycazalet - I am a Tory

Listening to DC talking at the conference now. I dont believe he is a bad man and he does really want the best for everyone. He has done some good things already (eg ID cards scrapped). He needs to correct the CB error and he needs to ensure cuts are fair. He is not a tribalist waging class war like many politicians on the left.

That is all.

The id cards thing was good. It was a total nonsense and a waste of so much money.
DH and I both admitted last night that we'd been scared we were turning Tory in our old age as we agreed with that (We're fine now )

at the kraken illusion.

i usually vote green but i voted tory in the general election and i'm starting to regret it a bit now, not that my vote made any difference as im in a libdem safe seat.

what's going to happen to the sahms whose high earning husbands have an iron grip on the purse strings?

That was a poor speech from DC.

He talked about fairness, which I agree with, but then I kept thinking about the CB debacle and how unfair that is. He talked about encouraging people to start their own business and I kept thinking about how the small business person would have CB taken off them once they earn 45k and the other parent is SAHP. He talked about fairness in the tax system not penalising single mothers with an effectve 98% marginal tax rate if they go back to work and I just thought about CB being removed at £45k with an effective marginal tax rate of 175000%.

He mentioned they would set up a Green Investment bank to fund big business investment in green technology (which is rumoured to be being funded with £6bn) and I kept thinking thats where the £1bn saved on CB is going.

Sorry but far too easy to attack this speech and I am a Tory voter.

Well, as an outsider looking in, I find UK politics horribly tribal, though maybe it's like that everywhere.

Labour voters seem to think that all Tory voters are smug, rich, self-absorbed bastards who want to walk all over anyone less fortunate than themselves.

Tory voters seem to think that all Labour voters are bone-idle benefit scroungers who want the rich to pay for everything while they stay home watching Jeremey Kyle.

The reality is that the followers of both parties are probably nice enough people, getting by as best they can, who you'd get on very well with if you met them at the school gate. And who are all voting in the way that they think will best helps their family, friends and communities, same as you do.

I don't see how is helps to shout names at each other. That's all.

Look, if we have to have a tory in power please can we have someone like the kraken-- Beenbeta i.e. someone with a brain and a conscience?

Oooo hear me roar!

Roaring right back atchya, Kracken

Arrrrgh my eyes.

'Instead, the power-crazed Lib Dems, who would it now appears form a coalition with Valdemort if they got a sniff of power, have the worst of all worlds: they have no influence on policy, no ministers in positions of authority, yet have to obey collective responsibility and accept (although the proof will be in the eating) whipping for "coalition" business. Fortunately it won't last: the Lib Dems will be annihilated in local government elections come May 2011, and at that point their MPs are going to start wondering what will happen to them.'

This is why I will NEVER vote Lib Dem again. And I did vote for them this one time, and I wish I never had.

Loving that Charlie Brooker bit on the Tories BIWI.

I knew Cameron would be like this. I knew he'd be a shameless lying scumbag. Now I know Clegg is too.

what really pisses me off is I bet many people who voted Tory voted purely as an anti-immigration vote. Did they really not fucking realise what a Tory government would mean?

And where is the effect on policies from the Lib Dems? It is almost cartoon like, the way they have fallen over themselves to go along with the Tories, for a whisper of status.

Just seen Krishnan Guru-Murthy on Twitter say that by 2013 the 40% tax threshold is going to be coming DOWN.

Therefore it will be more likely that anyone earning over 40k will lose CB (as well as pay 40% tax).

Ebeneezer Cameron? "Are there no workhouses?"

Oh I am so beyond furious at all of this (as ranted on other threads). I am fuming.

See now, I don't object to a lot of these principles: I do think, relatively speaking, those earning over 40k count as the 'well off' (compared to office workers or cleaners in my institution earning salaries of 12k, for example, or those who can't work, or who work part-time)

I get the point about living in the South East, and the HB changes and benefit caps, along with these other measures are going to totally stuff some families who are on the threshold of higher earnings. But do I object to more people entering the HRT threshold: no, not really.

I would have much more respect for their decisions however if it were a. about redistributing some of this to the poor, and b. if they spread the pain proportionately so that higher earners paid a higher proportion of their wealth instead of being able to divert it through evasion and conversion into capital.

And c. if they hadn't LIED THEIR FECKING SOCKS OFF to get 'elected' (a term I use loosely)

i just want them to go after the big guys with their businesses in monaco in their wives' names. or simon cowell. he could probably correct the structural deficit with what's in his back pocket. but these are the ones who avoid tax, i'll bet.

Yeah, vodafone does rather SCREAM out, aitch, doesn't it?

Firstly it's fecking mean of them to be announcing all the shitey cuts on my daughter's birthday. I want crys of 'oh what a fabulous cake' from the parents not 'how the hell will we pay for christmas bunting now'?

But Aitch - you asked, I voted libdem. They appear to be lib dumb at the minute .

I have no objection to withdrawal of benefits for higher rate earners, but I do object, strongly, to the idea that it's not family but individual income that matters. Or have women become chattels of their husbands once more?

i think they have, whomoved, ya big lib dummy...

what a shame re dd''s birthday party, i imagine the parents will be antsy.

Well come on Aitch - I wasn't voting for Gordon's morons or the Eton Mess was I? What was left - UKIP?

I was hoping for a 'none of the above' box frankly.

I did not vote for Labour mostly as a reaction to Iraq. But how I miss Gordon Brown now.

I fucking despise David Cameron

Does anyone have a standard letter/email for sending to MP - I would love to do something but I am over-run at the moment...