Rotweillors

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What I can't understand (re the recent case in Dundee of a small girl being mauled by 3 rotweillors) is why we can't have a law limiting the number of these dogs people are allowed to own. I'm a dog owner, but why does anyone need/want 3 dogs, let alone rotweillors.
It would be so easy to police, rather than going on a case-by-case basis, if you had to have a license for your dog, and, in the case of dangerous breeds, had to prove your case for owning more than one (or even just one IMO).

Oh yes of course i am spouting rubbish

Round here where i live the council have signs up saying ALL DOGS MUST BE UNDER EFFECTUAL CONTROL

Maybe all you responsible dog owners with excellently trained dogs that come back at the first call could go round training all the other dogs?

Riven - Agree.

Did i say kill em all?

Did i really?

Dont twist what i was saying to fit,what i said was those dogs that cannot be trained by professional dog handlers should be put down,if they cannot be trusted to go in public then i am sorry but i value human life more than a dog!

Cwt. Yes, you ARE spouting rubbish. Where are all these dog trainers going to come from? Half the bloody population would be needed to be employed to train the nations dogs to YOUR standards and then police it. God help you if you get raped, the cops will be too busy with a stopwatch checking that your dog can sit and lay down within a nanosecond.

I've listed a little of my experience with dogs.

What's yours?

Yes the owners could pay to attend the classes, but who is going to pay to set the scheme up in the first place? Something like that would need an awful lot of planning etc.

More children are killed by cars than they are by dogs, but no one is in here screaming that 'something must be done' about cars.

What happened to that girl was unfortunate. I hope she makes a speedy recovery. But it was rare.

And what can be done? Well you can stop being hysterical for a start because it helps no-one. Maybe as a country of supposed animal lovers we could all stand up and take a bit of responsibility?

If you know someone who has a dog they don't/won't train or walk properly challenge them on this behaviour. Threaten to report them. If you see a stray dog call a dog warden and hang about so that you can direct him/her straight to the dog. Teach your dc about animals and how to behave properly around them and care for them adequately.

I need to leave this thread soon.

The vast majority of dogs can be trusted, in public, without a muzzle.

A small minoity can't. But lets not tar them all with the same brush.

Riven, not sure if you are reffering to my dog, but he was not running upto someone child. We were walking on a narrow cinder path towards saisd family, with my dog just infront of me. I am not about to put a lead on my dog everytime we pass other people.

As far as I can see there are three types of dog owners:

1. Responsible ones who train, exercise and poop scoop. The type who would care enough about dogs to post on here in fact;
2. Irresponsible ones who don't train and exercise and end up with bored, unpredictable pets;
3. Scum - who basically train their dogs to be weapons.

It seems a little unfair to round on all dog owners. Equally it would be nice if, just occasionally, the responsible dog owners would recognise that there is an issue here. To vehemently oppose any changes to current situation strikes me as "hysterical" to be frank. It may be the owners fault but it is the dogs that become the problem.

How can you bring up rape & dog training in the same sentance?

Lets keep this discussion relevant shall we?

What i am trying to get across is i think all dog owners & dogs should be made to attend some sort of dog training,what is wrong in saying that?

My experience with dogs is i have been a dog owner for 14 yrs,he is very well behaved,yes i have owned just the one dog,but a dog nonetheless.

"Did i say kill em all?

Did i really?".

No, and NEITHER DID I! I sarcastically said, "Here we go. Hysterical.

Kill them, that's the solution! Fuck me, why didn't I think of that. It would save me HOURS of work a week."

Meaning that imo killing a dog who is healthy is wrong. It's immoral, inhumane and utterly disgraceful. I work with NO KILL rescue, I save healthy dogs from being PTS, do you really think that I'm going to sit back and condone some twattish idea of killing dogs which don't meet your idea of an acceptable level of training?

I didn't quote you as saying that you advocated killing ALL dogs, as you've alleged. I made remark about the fact that you think it acceptable to kill ANY dogs.

Cwt, you said: "My experience with dogs is i have been a dog owner for 14 yrs,he is very well behaved,yes i have owned just the one dog,but a dog nonetheless."

Noww go back and see what I do.

I rest my case.

I am leaving this thread now as i feel like i am banging my head against a brick wall.

OK,instead all the aggressive dogs who cannot be trained will be sent to live in a luxury 5 star dog hotel where there every whim will be attended to.

All i was trying to say was that something needs changing about dogs & owners,what i dont know i dont have all the answers as neither do you.

Sorry Val,i shall bow & scrape to your far superior knowledge,just cos you have wept tears for some dogs big fuckin deal.

At the end of the day i place humans above dogs,you dont simple.

Bye.

No, I don't Cwt, because far too many of them are like you, who will argue opinion over fact and spout bullshit at the expense of the lives I try to save.

even if it was made law for all dog owners to attend this course, the type of people that own these status dogs would still flout the law and not attend. they would still own their dogs illegaly. sure, maybe one dog would get taken of them at some point but they would juts get better at keeping the poor dogs locked up out sight of the dog wardens. the type of owner that was responsible for that attack on the girl will continue to own dogs and will continue to do it badly. a course will only benefit the dogs of the law abiding people who are already responsible for their dogs.

PawMum Wed 01-Sep-10 13:58:04
That not only children get bitten or attacked by dogs. I don't think it was that difficult a sentance to decifer.

My problem was not how to "decifer" [sic] it, but how it was relevant. I see now that it wasn't really.

MollysChambers Wed 01-Sep-10 14:47:45
Therein lies a question for the training experts I think. Can a "badly behaved" dog be rehabilitated? Iyswim. The type that have been trained to be aggressive by dickheads I mean. Or even just those whose owners haven't been able to train them to be obediant for whatever reason...

It can be done, even in some very extreme cases, such as in the case of Michael Vick's (US football star who had a dogfighting ring, the scumbag) pit bulls: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080128-vick-dogfighting.html. The question is, should it be done? There are many dogs with no history of people-aggression in rescue awaiting homes, and as there are simply not enough homes to go around, there's a question of fairness there too. But that's a whole other thread

FioFio call the police/dog warden next time you see this happen and the dog will most likely be taken off them. Dog fighting is now illegal in the UK.

It should be listed on your local councils website or you can call the council and they will give you it.

*Riven Wed 01-Sep-10 15:18:29

How do you ensure the larger dogs like rotties end up 'in the right hands' as everyone says.*

You sort out the supply and identification:

• Ban puppy farms
• Ban sales of puppies through pet shops
• Make backyard breeding almost impossible through much tighter regulations on neutering (for example, a couple of London councils now don't allow council tenants to keep un-neutered pets I believe)
• Ensure dogs are available only through reputable licenced breeders who care where their dogs end up and reputable rescue kennels who homecheck and neuter - an ideal scenario that would help dogs and humans immeasurably.
• Every dog must be microchipped to its owner