Rotweillors

[reptile]

What I can't understand (re the recent case in Dundee of a small girl being mauled by 3 rotweillors) is why we can't have a law limiting the number of these dogs people are allowed to own. I'm a dog owner, but why does anyone need/want 3 dogs, let alone rotweillors.
It would be so easy to police, rather than going on a case-by-case basis, if you had to have a license for your dog, and, in the case of dangerous breeds, had to prove your case for owning more than one (or even just one IMO).

[Beaaware]

I always cross the road or keep my distance when I see a rottweiller, pitbull or any other potentially dangerous dog coming near me. If they were muzzled I would have no problem though.

[Vallhala]

Onagar, people with your attitude have every reason to be fearful.

I can well understand that you might be so if you saw me coming towards you with 2 bloody great GSDs and a Labrador. But, I must warn you, if you tried to harm one of my 3 with your stick, you would come off worse.

My dogs are fine, living as they do as family pets with 2 children and 3 cats.

It's me you'd have to worry about.

[ceres]

onagar - For those most distressed by the idea of a dog being harmed. Who find the thought awful and unbearable. This is how normal people feel about children being hurt.


i am a staffy owning child protection social worker.

i am distressed at the thought of children or animals being hurt.

i find your attitude odd and disturbing.

[Mingg]

Ongar, you are not serious are you????

[thesunshinesbrightly]

onagar Fri 03-Sep-10 20:26:41
Not enough replies, but I won't be here later and much of tomorrow so it will have to do.

Let me be clear about this. If your dog leaps at me I will indeed try and kill it.


My dogs don't leap but if they ever did.. i can assure you, you would not be killing my dog.

[thesunshinesbrightly]

Ripeberry Tue 31-Aug-10 23:17:22

'I just think all large dogs should be muzzled by law whilst out on the streets'.

What a stupid thing to say.


Agree with your first post Val.

[booyhoo]

onagar, first you said if a dog touched you, you would kill it. now you are saying if it leapt at you, you would kill it. i sense you may have realised the ridiculousness of your intended reaction to a dog breathing near you.

[Marne]

I think rottweiler's are lovely dogs, i have never met a bad one, i would not keep one as i wouldn't want a dog which is more powerful than me. I know someone who has 2 and they have 2 very young children, the dogs are great with the children but would never be left alone with them.

Any dog can attack its just that a rottweiler is a large strong dog that can out power a human.

I do own a dog, i have a bull terrier, she is as soft as they come and will even run away from a cat, but at the end of the day she is a dog and can not be trusted 100%, i would not leeve her alone with my children and i keep her on a lead when i'm out (mainly because people asumes she is a pit bull even though she's tiny). If at any time she showed any sign of aggresion she would be gone.

I think you should have to have a licence to keep a dog, your house should be checked out (as they do for dogs to be rehomed) and the owner should have kknowlege of dog training and the breed of dog. Maybe owners should have to take their puppies to dog behaviour classes and learn how to handle their dogs?

[Goblinchild]

'However I do still get children and their parents insisting on coming up to me and my dogs and getting offended when I ask them not to stroke my dog on the lead. Should I take a stick to beat them with?'

Not me and mine, that's dog lovers bothering you and behaving inappropriately.
Go ahead, it might deter them from buying a dog and dumping it.

[rainbowinthesky]

Why is there such an assumption that everyone allows their dog to jump up at people?

[Goblinchild]

Do you think it might work though, as a strategy??
Do you think dog owners will keep their pets under control, for fear they might encounter the ferocious onagar?
It might be safer to keep a careful eye on your dog, and make sure that it doesn't stray into danger.

[rainbowinthesky]

One of my dogs has to be on the lead at all times and the other is well trained and wouldnt be interested in you. However I do still get children and their parents insisting on coming up to me and my dogs and getting offended when I ask them not to stroke my dog on the lead. Should I take a stick to beat them with?

[Ephiny]

Onegar, you sound a great deal more violent and dangerous than any dog I've ever met, and you don't even have the excuse of irresponsible owners!

I would never wish to harm or kill either a dog or a child. Neither would most of the 'normal' people you refer to. Have you considered seeking help for your disturbingly violent urges?

[onagar]

Not enough replies, but I won't be here later and much of tomorrow so it will have to do.

Let me be clear about this. If your dog leaps at me I will indeed try and kill it. I offer it not as a boast because your dog may well win. (I thought it revealing that at least one poster is now picturing dogs as big powerful fighters when just a moment ago they were harmless cuddly wuddly things)

Instead I offer it as a deterrent. The next time you let your dog leap on a child and you call out "it's ok. Just keep still and it won't bite you" it may occur to you that your dog could be in danger too. This may have a better effect than asking you to consider the safty of children which wasn't really working was it.

For those most distressed by the idea of a dog being harmed. Who find the thought awful and unbearable. This is how normal people feel about children being hurt.

[pinkthechaffinch]

Onagar, it's a good idea about the weighted walking stick.

I might start carrying one to brandish when dogs come bounding up and intimidating my dcs

[rainbowinthesky]

Onager - your post is a reminder to me about the sort of people you get on the internet and in real life. Shudder.

[Threelittleducks]

Best thing to come out of all of this is the Scottish govt.'s change in law and the possibility of legislation that is coming in to protect both dogs and people.

Looking at the dog and not the breed is definitely a much saner approach to this issue.
Definitely put some of the dog hater's gas at a peep!

I hate when things like this happen - immediately folk spew out anti-dog shit all over the place (ridiculously). Yes, the dogs were vicious, yes they attacked an innocent child, yes, there is no excuse. Legitimate.
But....
We are people who live alongside animals in a society created by us for them - and not always on the side of fairness to their lives. Incidents like this will happen. You are asking animals who cannot communicate on the same levels as ourselves to comply with our rules and regulations, without letting them know all of the rules and regulations (bad owners). to live in situations which are not suited to their needs. To be their only source of food and knowledge of right or wrong. Possibly these dogs were playing and the poor girl ended up on the wrong side of it. Obviously the owner should never have had them loose. How do we explain to them that because of their wrong actions they must die? We don't. No reprieve - only death. Nobody has told them any different.

Fair play I suppose (what else could have been done really? Dangerous dogs are unpredictable).

But! Dog Haters! Try and see it from the dog's point of view.
I know it's a long shot.
Hiding this thread now.

[Goblinchild]

www.ledogstop.com/pages/travel_scheme_law.html#
It looks as if Germany is heading in the right direction for me.

[Goblinchild]

It is pointless to bluster and rant and rave at dog owners on the internet.
If we want to protect ourselves and our children against irresponsible owners, then we have to campaign for changes in the law, and take on board best practice from other places in Europe that have a lower level of...um... negative interactions between dogs and humans.

[Ephiny]

BTP, I know, most of them probably wouldn't have the guts to actually do it, and like I said, I've been nervous of dogs myself in the past, so I do understand that. But I never for a moment fantasised about beating innocent animals to death. What kind of vile person would even consider such a thing?

[booyhoo]

onagar does that give me carte blanche to beat to death one of your children if it touches me?

now, your child might have no intention of hurting me but i have to protect myself just incase. think of it as doing my bit for the community

[Ephiny]

"I have a walking stick with a weighted tip. If a dog touches me I will beat it to death in front of the owner. Think of it as doing my bit for the community."

What the fuck is wrong with you? How can you complain about dog attacks on humans when you're willing to inflict equal or worse violence on an intelligent, innocent animal yourself.

I hope the dog you pick gives as good as it gets.

I just lost a little more faith in humankind :(

[onagar]

booyhoo, you are right that the public should act. I have a walking stick with a weighted tip. If a dog touches me I will beat it to death in front of the owner. Think of it as doing my bit for the community.

"people who know next to nothing about dogs"

Why can't you people understand? We don't care what breed it is or what kind of upbringing it had. We want our children protected from your pet and if you don't care enough to want the same thing you should be ashamed