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Mad Fledglings March through the Spring cleaning

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BitchytheGreat · 28/02/2014 20:40

So here we are, March already.

So for those who don't know the fledglings is a long running thread. Some of us seem clicky but that is because we have been chatting on these threads for nearly half a decade makes everyone feel old we quite like fresh blood though so feel free to jump in and join us.

Three key points to keep in mind:
(1)No perfectionism allowed - this is harder than you would imagine
(2)You are never behind just start where you are and anything you do is progress.
(3) It didn't get into a mess overnight, it won't get tidy over night - accept it will take time to get on top of things and you will be happier.

If you are new then trying to spend 15mins decluttering and the babysteps is the most. Some of us Bitchy can have scary looking lists. One word of advice ignore them. Do what you can, anything is better then nothing, and don't judge yourself against others.

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JustGettingOnWithIt · 19/03/2014 08:57

One of the big things that this wretched ‘motivation to work’ course is doing is highlighting the idea that actually what most people want is the knowledge, skills and abilities I do have, but offered in a very different way, by a very different kind of person than me. Blush
Off to have to scrub shite from mudfest Off to choose to choose to re model and decorate our home. Hmm
List and better catch up hopefully, later.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 19/03/2014 09:00

Toffee - sympathies about DS1 and the statement, I caught DD reading the one I was doing about DS and I had to make it very clear that my Word documents are private (and get more diligent about closing them down after use and giving them obscure titles). I'm a bit worried about DS getting asked for his views as he is likely to just say "I don't know" and that everything is fine. I have put various recent quotations from him that prove it's not fine in the application though. I am getting very bogged down in the appeal application and professional reports (plus endless questionnaires that go with them), he had Ed.Psych on Monday and I had a meeting with her afterwards that left me feeling very upset. On the plus side it has spurred me on to doing some extra work with him this week.

Must go, haven't finished morning routine yet and need to go to work.

BitchytheGreat · 19/03/2014 09:41

I think that as well as stepping back from FB I am going to try to step back from MN too. So If I am only about to post the links forgive me but I need to kinda kick life in the ass atm. So many of us in the same place. I thought 2014 was going to be better then 2013 well perhaps it is and I am just being a moaning mertle atm Hmm Anyhoos. Will be back late tonight with linky poos. Going to be a crazy busy day. as normal However, flying can go fuck itself

just your wise words are noted.
Keep your chin up Whoknows you will get there but you have to step back emotionally from this which is the hardest and the most impossible thing to do.

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Swanhildapirouetting · 19/03/2014 10:28

hi all, difficult morning getting ds2 to school because I mentioned the Joseph audition BlushAngry Dh had him all bright and lovely, and then I blew it by asking if he wanted to practise his singing...Disastrous move..

Anyway at second attempt got him to school, 20 mins late. Think he is fine now.

feetheart · 19/03/2014 10:41

Hmm Quick round-up did I say - I lied as its now over 4 hours later!

Bitchy – has been missing FB and Twitter and now is going to try and reduce MN time too. RL isn't going to know what has hit it :o

Ellie – has been recovering and is under threat of a visit from Bitchy if she does too much

thinking – has been breaking things down into microtasks – Flylady would approve

just – has been coping with shit in every sense and the madness that is 'Motivation to Work' courses but still has the time to write some very wise words.

dizzy – has a poorly daughter but did get to see Rebecca Ferguson (feetheart shows musical ignorance and had to Google!)

SC – is back (we missed you) and is trying to sort out clothes and hurrumphing about hamster cleaning

swan – survived 10 x 12 year old girls and DS2's difficulty with party-planning/preparation– medal duly awarded.
She also dispensed wisdom about clothes and age

Goth – helped make cardboard dragon – now that's a proper thing to have on a list :)

humanordancer – is having to make lots of renovation-related decisions. We got a mad, black sparkly toilet seat for our shower room as I was fed up of being sensible, it works perfectly. Arf at grass rug :)

cookietramp – joined us and hopefully hasn't been scared off. The system does work though would work better if I spent less time chatting and got on with housework Hmm

There has also been much talk of hockey, the correct way to hang washing, the power of three, wardrobe culling, treasure boxes for grown-ups and the long, emotionally draining process that is 'statementing'.
I know from friends' experiences that having to concentrate on the negatives is really, really hard and brings a lot of emotions to the fore. Take care of yourselves in amongst it all Whoknows and Toffee and anyone else going through it.

Waves to everyone else and heads back to work...

feetheart · 19/03/2014 10:47

Swan - it is SO hard to get it right at times isn't it? I could really do with a time machine/rewind button for those moments when my simple comments/requests/queries result in high octane responses from DD/DH who have very few additional needs between them (other than stroppy genes Angry)

Swanhildapirouetting · 19/03/2014 11:04

Toffee and Whoknows and Bitchy, today I said to dh, perhaps we should make a note of all the things that upset ds2, on a sort of Captain's log, ieMarch 19th had meltdown over not being able to sing for school play wants main part . Dh said to me, who has the time to deal with that and deal with ds2, as well as everything else. It is just the fact that having to do all this evidence and paperwork is the straw that breaks the camel's back. However I think I could do a simple thing of writing on secret calendar day to day outbursts and outcomes, best way of resolving them etc.

Tomorrow is my book club dinner. I am hosting for 8 people. I haven't read the book which is an A M Holmes. I need to read it.
I need to think about cooking. I need to create ambient lighting to conceal mess and grime. turn out lights and a few guttering candles from beady bookclub ladies whose houses are always beautifully appointed...Envy
Tomorrow I also need to take passport to office
Today I need to meet cousin for lunch pre-arranged for long time.
Beavers Sad
Pick up ds2 from school, I promised. Hear outcome of audition and possible ranting and raving.

And I woke up at 6am. Will focus on lunch date now. Should be nice distraction.

ToffeeWhirl · 19/03/2014 11:26

Just - that is very good advice, thank you, and it's useful to hear how you manage these issues with your son. The thing I took out was only a small example of one of DS1's issues, but the actual issue remains noted in the document, so I didn't mind removing it. DS1 also protested at my use of the phrase, 'autistic traits', so I read through the traits I'd mentioned and he had to concede that they did all apply to him. I like the way you distinguish between public and private documents - I have noted that for future use.

He has been feeling very sad since then, though, so I'm sure the document upset him Sad. However, it did give us a chance to discuss schools and where his life was going and I did mention the new school again. He refuses to go and visit it, but I'm hoping he'll change his mind once he's had time to ponder.

WhoKnows - I'm sorry the appointment with the ed psych upset you Sad. It is harrowing to go over the negatives so often en route to getting the help your child needs. Asked for his views, my DS also often says he's fine Confused.

Swan - sympathies. We have all done it. Enfuriating when your DH does it and embarrassing and even more enfuriating when we do it ourselves. It's the 'walking on eggshells' scenario of having a tricky child.

Bitchy - good luck with the ongoing requirement to 'kick life in the ass' Wink.

feet - thanks for your encouragement about taking DS2 out of school and your kind offer. I think I'm going to let him relax for the rest of this week, then just do a little bit of work every morning with him. He wants to do a topic (can't choose between pollution or properties of materials), so I'll help him with that too. Mostly, I want him to discover that learning can be fun again, though. Have ordered lots of books for him, as he's a great reader.

dizzy - that's so annoying about the cable. Well done to your DD to go in regardless of her illness. She's tough!

Hi, Cookie. I can't improve on that introduction to Flylady from WhoKnows.

Eustacia - am impressed that you are already halfway through your morning routine by 7.05am.

Had an early night last night because I was feeling so tired, so was in bed by 10.30. Just as well, because DS1 woke me up at 1.30am. Managed to get some more sleep later though.

ta da

Dressed etc
Swished and swiped in bathroom
Found clothes for DS2 (non uniform - he was happy about this)
Signed dereg letter to take up to school
Breakfast
Phoned school to say DS2 was going to the dentist this morning
Unloaded d/w and reloaded
Walked DS2 round to dentist - he's going to have to have a tooth out under sedation
Picked up antibiotics for him from the chemist and bought him a whizzy new battery-operated toothbrush
Home
Breakfast for DS1
Reminded DS1 he needs to do his homework before TA comes round at 1
Quick discussion about the day with DH before he left for work

About to ring the school to arrange a meeting with the headteacher now.

ToffeeWhirl · 19/03/2014 11:29

Swan - you could try that. I have been trying to keep a diary about Ds1 so that I have evidence of his SNs, but find that when life becomes most stressful and there is most evidence of these SNs I don't have time to fill in the diary! Maybe just jotting down a quick note is the answer.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 19/03/2014 11:33

Swan - I have an a4 hardback notebook which I use for notes of all conversations relating to DS's SNs, including phone calls, i sometimes write down observed stuff about him in there too (when I remember). And interventions I have tried with him.

ToffeeWhirl · 19/03/2014 12:28

Good idea, WhoKnows. I try to update a document on the computer, but often forget/don't get round to it, so writing it in a notebook might be easier.

Have provided lunch to both boys and attempted homework with DS1. He complained of feeling sick, then lay down and went to sleep. I'm worried he's depressed. Am phoning his TA to cancel his visit today.

Headteacher is out for the rest of the day, so am emailing her about DS2 instead.

Need to work on the statement application again later.

sanschocolat · 19/03/2014 13:59

A warm welcome to cookietramp

A big thank you for round-up & links to Feetheart and Bitchy

Sympathies and Thanks to those dealing with SEN issues and bureaucracy

And big feathery waves to everyone else

Just diving in and out. Big family event in UK this weekend + helping sil who is ill 800km away in other direction in France (and is sole carer for fil herself. Taking dd out of school tomorrow which is strictly forbidden (gulp) but we were upfront about it, explained reasons why it was necessary etc, and they have approved an unauthorised day. Loads to get ready beforehand.

Just desperately trying to sort out dd's maths revision for test that others are doing on Fri, and she will be doing on Mon. No school Wed pm, so it's the only chunk of time she has to revise before we travel and guess what, although she has sheet with 70% of info on it, she has helpfully left her maths file at school, despite me reminding her not to forget it: the day before yesterday, yesterday (3 times) and once again this morning, resulting in what would definitely qualify as 'high octane" exhanges just now ....grrrrrr... so just coming on here to try and calm down.

At what age do children learn to think more than just 30 seconds ahead? Please tell me its around 10 yrs ...

Have a good week/w-e everyone and bb on here some time next!

EustaciaVye · 19/03/2014 14:09

Thanks Toffee. Dh woke me up at 6 hence the early start.

Have play date later so hope to get some jobs done then.

JustGettingOnWithIt · 19/03/2014 14:40

Cookie hello and welcome. Have just tried highlighting system and it works if you're finding our esteemed leader's posts vanishing under chatter.

Who knows thank you so much for highlighting info for Cookie, it was just what I needed! Grin (am still a computer numptie and need to understand how the the FL info, beyond the baby steps is found, so I can try and lead Shock thread one of these days!)
Getting bogged down, and being emotionally drained by the SEN process is horribly normal. There is life the other side of it, and one day you get this giant dc who wraps their arms round you, and say’s “Er you know all that stuff you did? Thanks for that.” (and then says “did you know your hairs thinning as well as going grey?”)

Toffee this book was very helpful for ds to identify more positively with ASD: www.amazon.co.uk/Freaks-Geeks-Asperger-Syndrome-Adolescence/dp/1843100983 though he’d already decided ‘autistic’ was a rather better label than the names applied to him by his peer group. Congratulations on finding solution to ds2 situation.
Ds is likely to feel sad. For children often described as having black and white thinking, they’re usually remarkably adept at seeing implied ‘criticism’ in what are actually just facts. A lot of this is learnt in school, regardless of what PSHE tells them, that it would be somehow bad or lesser to have autistic traits or be different.

for everyone doing statements or SEN evidence gathering
Dc’s saying there’s nothing wrong should always be turned round and treated as evidence in itself tbh. DD will say she wants to marry Edward C (104 yr old fictional vampire) to most questions about her future! Late teen ds will tell you he doesn’t have a problem with age appropriate self-care skills. He doesn’t in his mind, his mother is still here, so it’s her that has any problem with this!

Consequently I’ll let him answer he has no problem with them, then dive in with the same question rephrased with assistance taken out of his equation, and he’ll state he does. DD just goes into fits of giggles if you try and suggest she needs a better answer.

With both I’ll then add “is vulnerable to being made to misrepresent situations by questions that aren’t adapted to meet needs” and insist it’s written down. You get brazen on their behalf eventually.

Just to hopefully reassure re questioning dc’s views in statementing application process, questions from ds’s views form read:

What do you most like about school?
What things in school do you most like doing?
What do you do best?
What makes you happiest?
Who do you like most?
What improvements did you make?
What helped you to learn or get on better?
What things don’t you like doing?
What do you find difficult?

Each LA’s questions are different, but it seems a fairly representative level and slant of questions AFAICS from dc’s views questionnaires from different areas that I’ve read in a working capacity. and nothing like the sort people are worrying about possibly.

Ds raged about them, initially refused to engage, and had to be helped to see how he could adapt what he wanted to say about how deeply unhappy he was at being pushed out of lessons, being denied an education, being told to accept not understanding lessons by teachers, and being bullied, to fit their format.

But having learnt the hard way, I suspect if you try what we did for the review; conversationally ‘interview’ dc’, without mentioning the form, add a “why?” etc, to the questions, add a couple of your own if needing to elicit something specific, and write down everything, then helpfully produce those notes when officially introducing the form, you can then help them select the most useful answers that are their own, but are a good selection that show up their strengths, weaknesses and needs.

Another way to get a balance, is they pick three of their answers (or new one’s to each question, and you pick another three to go with.

There’s also the STAR technique (situation, task, action, result) for breaking down big ‘stories and events’ into answers for these sorts of questions if anyone wants it.

BTW I let housekeeping go to rack and ruin in order to achieve all this stuff because I couldn’t do everything alone, and am still finding SEN paperwork from 1997 in the daily decluttering! Blush You guys are (wisely) trying to keep order as well as do all this, it will take more time.

Swan diaries are indeed a great way of record keeping, (and returning to in later years when you need to remember things) but mines inevitably not available at crisis point, so I use a small voice recorder for all sorts of things, and transcribe later, (you do end up with pica issues and interventions next to needing more bleach!) also a pencil and post it notes in the car, for us.

Feetheart and Toffee thanks for round ups.

SC I’m ever so sorry but i.m.e. it’s closer to 20 and then only if they want to do the thing they need to do. Eyes up heading for middle aged dgc’s mum wearily, yes you!

everyone to quote; big wing flaps! Flowers

Still to do
stupid amounts of everything.

JustGettingOnWithIt · 19/03/2014 14:41

Good luck Eustacia!

ToffeeWhirl · 19/03/2014 15:13

Just - you are full of good ideas, thank you. Any tips on helping DS1 see that he should at least visit the new school we've seen for him? He is still insisting he's going to go back to the state school he can't cope with and refuses to visit the other school Confused. The school we saw would be perfect for him as it's for children with average to high ability, but with learning difficulties, ASD and similar. I haven't dared tell him that though.

Maybe he just needs time to accept how things are.

BlueEyeshadow · 19/03/2014 16:45

Totally rocking anti-procrastination day today! (Possibly because still waiting for the return of the PC Hmm )

Ta-da!
S&S etc
Beds stripped
Sheets washed and dried
Pilates
As far as school without shouting
Boys beds remade
Skip booked for w/e gardening
DS1's Beavers badges sewn on
Mended DS1's cooking apron
Filing - my totally worst job
Shredding - more fun!
Hoovered through
Dusted bedroom as per mission
Cleaned Dyson filter and emptied
Trip to Homebase
New battery in doorbell
Bought houseplant to improve vibes in office but put it on windowsill at top of stairs instead
Bought thyme plant and planted it out
Booked hospital appointment

To do
Put sewing stuff away
Collect boys
Zumba
cook curry
Remake bed

Hi to cookie and thanks to feet for the round-up.

Hope everyone has a good rest of afternoon... Brew anyone?

EustaciaVye · 19/03/2014 16:49

Bow please forgive me for not contributing to statement issues/home ed/asd etc etc but I have no first hand knowledge so would probably not be helpful. I do however hope you all get some more support in your endeavours Smile

EustaciaVye · 19/03/2014 16:51

That came across as unsupportive. It wasn't meant to. The opposite really....I guess I just wanted you to know I am reading but don't have any practical advice.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 19/03/2014 17:20

It didn't Eustacia, I appreciate your thoughts. It is such a specialised thing that I struggle to talk to my RL friends about it properly, I sometimes feel I am living in a bit of a parallel universe from them. It is quite overwhelming and having this thread to talk to others who have been there or are in the same boat really helps. Just has such brilliant advice, which is MASSIVELY appreciated.

ToffeeWhirl · 19/03/2014 18:04

No, it didn't come across as unsupportive at all, Eustacia, and I also appreciate your kind thoughts. As WhoKnows says, it is only something you know about if you have a child with SNs.

GoingGoingGoth · 19/03/2014 20:40

Another one crossing fingers for all those doing statements, Eustacia has put it brilliantly, I would love to be able to help, but would be absolutely clueless. Just imagine me sat here nodding along and offering Brew and Cake

On a selfish point - where is the time going? Yesterday was wiped out by a school trip which should have been in the morning, but ended up in the afternoon (not the school's fault) and today has been full of school runs, shopping and woodcraft, it's not on, I've not had time to MN! Grin

Off to do some ironing in front of the tv, be back tomorrow.

Swanhildapirouetting · 19/03/2014 21:00

done
lunch with cousin
long drive there and back Smile
picked up ds2, sorted out tears
had a nice afternoon with three kids
made supper (dd made curry in school so we ate second batch of it, delicious, and pasta with tomato sauce for the nimbys Wink
then went to Beavers to help
chatted to friend
clothes in washing machine for tomorrow's uniform

dh did French and Maths with ds2 and spent a lot of time chatting to him

Toffee you will be glad to hear we finally got the HUE working yesterday and ds2 started making stop animation of a lego figure and a footballer Confused to the sound of Queen

no nearer with the other stuff though. Determined not to get stressed by dinner tomorrow. More important to read the book which I shall do in the passport office!

BitchytheGreat · 19/03/2014 21:27

Thursday is chore day

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