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Would home education be a good fit for us?

172 replies

machanicalmovement · 11/11/2022 12:38

Right now it's a bit of pie in the sky thinking and I need somewhere to air my thoughts. He hasn't settled at school, he hates it, cries at drop off almost every day and is one of the youngest. It's hard to get him ready to leave in the mornings he has tantrums. He isn't ready to potty train, so comes out regularly with a bag of wet or soiled clothes because they have started to insist on no pullups or nappies. He's unhappy and I'm endlessly stress with it all, I'm unhappy too.

Please don't judge us, we are stuck in the system for assessments for Special needs, and a EHCP I'm not even sure if i am a crap parent and that's the cause.

He coped really well at nursery for 3 hours a day, but hasn't adjusted well to school. It can't be fair on the other students either, the ones who are ready.

Right now I'm just venting and searching for options, how would a go about de-registering him from school?

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Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 13:19

But remaining on the school roll does not have to equate to attending full time, or at all, if that’s not in his best interest.

Phineyj · 12/11/2022 13:37

Hi OP, I suggest you make contact directly with your local council to find out where you are in the ECHNA process. I used a SEN website to download the necessary complaint and appeal letters, check on the process etc (I've forgotten which one, PM if you want the link). However I applied for the EHCPNA myself and our council use a portal so I can see everything uploaded there, including from the school, and the timeline. I don't know if all councils have this. I imagine my council will refuse to assess but at least it seems they will do so efficiently!

If you haven't been copied information submitted about your son, maybe you will ultimately to do a Subject Access Request to school, the council or both.

Good luck. Don't deregister yet.

Oddieconvert · 12/11/2022 16:59

machanicalmovement · 12/11/2022 12:18

We might be, I will contact the school and find out. It didn't get to the point of me seeing the draft. I think the school hoped his problems would vanish, or that it was lack of stimulation and interaction, forgetting his year at nursery.

The doctor taking me seriously has changed their mind slightly.

@Oddieconvert you don’t mention anything about your capability to home educate. Any experience? Your background?

Is that important infomation for a child of this age?

I have:

NCFE CACHE Level 1 (Caring for children)

NCFE CACHE Level 2 (Caring for childen and young people)

NVQ Level 2 (For early years education)

And worked as a nursery assistant until 6 years ago (focus was on children 3 and under).

It's part of the reason I get so frustrated, I know what normal development looks like.

Yes, I would be clueless where to start, at least at first I guess I would try to follow the curriculum until he's able to get back into school, It wouldn't be a long term solution.

So yes then

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 12/11/2022 17:39

Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 13:19

But remaining on the school roll does not have to equate to attending full time, or at all, if that’s not in his best interest.

You don't think the LEA attendance department will harass and push for a SAO? Keeping a registered child off school has consequences!

Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 18:12

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 12/11/2022 17:39

You don't think the LEA attendance department will harass and push for a SAO? Keeping a registered child off school has consequences!

a) OP’s DS is below CSA and parents of DC below CSA are entitled to send them part time, or defer completely until the term in which their DC is CSA or until the beginning of the final term of reception, whichever is first. In both these cases the pupil remains on the school roll and there are no ‘consequences’ for the parents. The LA won’t pursue a SAO in this situation.

b) if a DC is unable to attend school full time due to their SEN &/or MH then the LA won’t get anywhere if they try to pursue a SAO. Again, the pupil remains on the school roll and there won’t be any ‘consequences’.

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 12/11/2022 18:14

They could still be very difficult...

Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 18:16

Well they can try, but they won’t get anywhere especially whilst OP’s DS is below CSA as she doesn’t need any reason. There won’t be a SAO or any other consequences.

OldWivesTale · 12/11/2022 18:17

I'd keep him at home for another year. 4 is very young for a neurotypical child so even harder for your ds.

Saracen · 12/11/2022 22:11

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 12/11/2022 17:39

You don't think the LEA attendance department will harass and push for a SAO? Keeping a registered child off school has consequences!

They can't do anything when the child is below CSA. School attendance is not mandatory before then, nor do parents have to home educate. There is no legal requirement for a parent to ensure that a child below CSA is educated.

I think you are confused about what a School Attendance Order is. It is not relevant to a child who is registered at a school. An SAO directs the parent to register the child at a specific school. It is typically issued by an LA who believe that a child of CSA who is NOT registered at any school is not receiving a suitable education, for example because their home education is inadequate.

However, it's true that keeping a child who is CSA off school has consequences. Usually fines are threatened if the school does not agree that there is a good reason for the child to be kept out of school.

Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 22:23

I think that poster probably means an ESO, but that still wouldn’t apply here.

Even if the OP’s DS was CSA the school and LA can threaten fines however much they like, but if the child is unable to attend due to their SEN/MH that’s all they are, threats, that can be challenged and the LA won’t get anywhere at enforcing them.

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 12/11/2022 23:40

Saracen · 12/11/2022 22:11

They can't do anything when the child is below CSA. School attendance is not mandatory before then, nor do parents have to home educate. There is no legal requirement for a parent to ensure that a child below CSA is educated.

I think you are confused about what a School Attendance Order is. It is not relevant to a child who is registered at a school. An SAO directs the parent to register the child at a specific school. It is typically issued by an LA who believe that a child of CSA who is NOT registered at any school is not receiving a suitable education, for example because their home education is inadequate.

However, it's true that keeping a child who is CSA off school has consequences. Usually fines are threatened if the school does not agree that there is a good reason for the child to be kept out of school.

Yes my mistake.

Anyone who has tried to keep a registered child off school will know that unless Flexi schooling or reduced hours have been agreed there are constant phone calls and pressure to just get him there. I think mum and child have suffered enough for now surely.

Thatsnotmycar · 12/11/2022 23:58

There wouldn’t be for a child below CSA whose parent exercising their right to attend part time or defer until CSA.

There may be for a child of CSA, but that doesn’t mean there will be any consequences. Unless the authenticity of the absence is in question the absence must be authorised without question. The LA wouldn’t get anywhere with enforcement action if the pupil wasn’t attending due to MH/SEN. It helps if the parents know the law and can advocate for their DC.

And I have kept a child off school due to their MH/SEN.

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 13/11/2022 00:23

Not my experience but fair enough. Perhaps different in different areas.

Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 00:25

The laws the same whatever LA you live in.

Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 00:25

*law is

machanicalmovement · 13/11/2022 08:43

I think I will phone and inform the school I won't be sending him in until we get a meeting. I'll ask about the appeal, I'll be insistent on letting him have nappies and I will TELL them he needs half days.
If I don't get anywhere with this route I will contact the Sen team myself, and do the same thing there. This thread has given me a starting point, so thanks to all.

@Oddieconvert I have qualifications but that doesn't mean I won't be terrible at home schooling, at Ds's age and with his possible (probable) SEN how I teach would be doing as much trial and error as any other parent. I'd be entering it blind and clueless (as this thread has demonstrated). Those quilifications and my experiance mean nothing in the real world. I'm in the same position as any other parent.

I understand your comment, and apprechiate you checking. My first posts must come across as slightly irrational, but I was typing in anger, I was upset and I was trying to get over all the important information without dripfeeding.

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Oddieconvert · 13/11/2022 08:50

Do you work? If so, how will you balance with your DS?

machanicalmovement · 13/11/2022 09:10

Oddieconvert · 13/11/2022 08:50

Do you work? If so, how will you balance with your DS?

I'm working from home 3 days a week, so in the short term it shouldn't be a problem.If things become more permanent I will need to rearrange hours with my husband, but that's a bridge that doesn't need to be crossed yet.

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Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 09:42

You don’t need to ask the school about appealing, the information will be in the letter from the LA. You did get a refusal letter didn’t you?

KatMcBundleFace · 13/11/2022 09:55

I find it odd that there are so many toilet training issues in schools now, and this is being blamed on disability.
Disabled children have always existed, yet in the not too distant past, a un toilet trained child at school was a rarity.

Strange. I wonder if it's mirrored around the world......

Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 10:01

There are far more DC with additional needs in MS than there was in the past. There is also much more openness about additional needs whereas it used to be hidden much more. But DC having regular accidents wasn’t a rarity in the past, they were often just forced in to pants before they were ready and had accidents.

machanicalmovement · 13/11/2022 10:04

Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 09:42

You don’t need to ask the school about appealing, the information will be in the letter from the LA. You did get a refusal letter didn’t you?

Oh I'm not going to be asking them for permission, I want to ask them the exact reasons why they haven't and have it all recorded, my idea is to use the record of this meeting as evidence of the school not meeting needs by sending an email overview of things discussed to them after to act like minutes.

I will appeal even if they won't, but I need to build a paper trail as soon as possible because the school won't like me going against them, I'm thinking ahead.

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Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 10:08

The school can’t appeal, only parents can.

machanicalmovement · 13/11/2022 10:12

KatMcBundleFace · 13/11/2022 09:55

I find it odd that there are so many toilet training issues in schools now, and this is being blamed on disability.
Disabled children have always existed, yet in the not too distant past, a un toilet trained child at school was a rarity.

Strange. I wonder if it's mirrored around the world......

It's not that odd. Full time school never used to start until the age of 5, now it's a year earlier. Those with obvious disabilities were either kept home, put into asylums, or special schools, now there a push to integrate.

4 is very very young.

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machanicalmovement · 13/11/2022 10:15

Thatsnotmycar · 13/11/2022 10:08

The school can’t appeal, only parents can.

And they have tried to persude me not to, so they will probably not be willing to help me when I do. But I will be getting thing in motion next week.

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