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To ask what you think when you hear a child is home educated

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turquoiseamethyst · 15/03/2015 23:19

I suppose I am trying to gauge a range of opinions.

I am seriously - possibly definitely (definitely maybe?) going to be home schooling my 8 year old for a period of time.

I don't know why I'm worried; perhaps because it's so beyond the norm of what we have experienced before. I don't know anyone who home educates; I wasn't educated at home myself and I think I have known rather a lot of people who are very much of the view that school is all important. I've never particularly subscribed to that view but I've always wanted my children to have a 'normal' upbringing and going to school seems very much a part of that?

Does anyone have any views? As I'm going to possibly be de registering him tomorrow?

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dnwig · 16/03/2015 17:56

Sorry, typos!

DinosaurRaaaar · 16/03/2015 17:56

There seems to be a lot of focus on children being removed from school due to poorly managed SEN and bullying. But in the OP's case, it is severe anxiety that is preventing attendance. Severe anxiety is not a SEN, it is a MH issue. I cannot comment from an SEN point of view as I'm not qualified to, but from a mental health perspective, pulling a child from school for a protracted period for school anxiety will exacerbate the situation.

I have nothing against HE and considered it for my daughter. But in this instance, the school is a red herring.......to be mentally well in the future, children with school phobia need to be off school initially, in therapy via CAMHS ASAP, and then back into the environment.

Not because school in and of itself is some sort of Holy Grail, but because a child who learns to manage anxiety by being removed from the stimulus long-term, will suffer incredible anxiety about a whole host of issues further down the line. Truly.

SEN and bullying need a whole different approach, and it concerns me that people are extrapolating their experiences of this onto the OP's son, who does not have these issues.

lavendersun · 16/03/2015 17:57

You will be more than all right turquiose. It was a very scary move for us as parents who had a traditional education, school, 6th form, Uni and beyond (with educators in the family).

We were completely out of our comfort zone. I gave up my job to facilitate it.

But do you know what it worked, we had a great time, met some fantastic people. DD learnt so very much and made some lovely friends who we still see and who she probably has more in common with than any one else.

She is back in school now, her choice entirely and is a different child from the very very unhappy one we took out of school.

I would do it again in a heartbeat if I necessary.

Jux · 16/03/2015 17:57

I homeschooled dd for just under a year. I had to field requests to go back to it every time there was a problem at school with another child Grin. I did it out of necessity - not that I was ever against the idea. When she went back to school into year 3 she was waaaaay ahead in some things and a bit behind in some others. She caught up easily enough.

I know quite a few HEers. The one I know best has done it to save her children from the awful influence that other children would have on them. It is a rabidly Xian family, and tbh I think that she's done the other children a favour by keeping herself out of their way. She is a truly ghastly woman. Her kids are teens now and moving on to Uni and 6th form College, and they don't know what's hit them. They are trying to preach the Word of Christ, nevertheless.

Maybe they'll be more human in a couple of years.

Your reasons seem eminently sensible to me, especially as you're not trying to protect your child from evil influences, so I would go for it. It's not for long.

EmEyeFaive · 16/03/2015 18:01

So my issue is, I guess, making HE part of the parents "agenda"- whatever that is.

That is one of the harder bits for me to delve into. There is the reality that my kid does not shine when it comes to short term retention of dense information that he does not understand. Which proved to be a bit of an issue at the local primary for the first two years and again with our very brief experience at middle school. He was coming home with a chapter of his geography book to learn by heart in case he was one of the kids chosen to be interrogated on it. Plus the same again in History and Epics, plus masses of technical drawings, plus 20 squillion problems for set theory when the only prep the teacher had done was read the textbook out loud to them. There didn't seem to be any sorting out between his teachers to make sure they didn't give huge gobs of homework all at once.

Sounds awful But.....

As much as the other parents and kids complain, most manage it, by hook or by crook. The majority of an entire nation achieve an education here without the explosive, spitting noises I was making.

So I have to conclude that it is entirely possible that the crumble point for DS was probably me. This did not look like education as I understood it. There was a culture shock big enough to create ructions. I had no idea how to help him becuase I could not get my head around the system. And I think my outrage at the system and the style of the teaching practice probably did him no favours in terms of buckling down and getting with the programme. It is hard enough to get on with heaps of stuff you don't want to do without your mother muttering "your bloody country and it's bloody education shit-stem" at your dad in the background, while crashing her pans as a form of punctuation of her very pointy points.

That's not to say I wholly regret taking him out and using HE as a way to access the British system. He is doing pretty well, he is certainly a lot happier and it seems to suit him much much better. But how you could tweezer apart the extent to which that is becuase it's a better fit for him... or a better fit with me, which then is reflected in his far greater willingness to engage with his learning ? I'm not sure I'd know where to start with unpicking that.

I know I have a sense of culpability in him not having a "bog standard by local norms" education. He does not enjoy it when people take an ears pricked stance when they hear about his educational route. And there are times when I have felt godawful because he has had to feel defensive, or like he has to justify his schooling.

I think I'm going to have to wait till he is on his way to higher ed to know to what extent and in which areas I have either short changed him or given him a much need lifeline. Even if it it turns out fine, I still don't know if I'll ever be sure that I didn't covertly and overtly contribute towards a lifeline being needed in the first place.

On the social side I have no worries. Which is a surprise becuase that actually was the bit I was most worried about. I almost turned myself inside out in a panic in the beginning about that part. But he is a very social kid and it was one of the few areas that with ...

luck (fabby purpose built youth club, like a giant school playground, just without the school, four afternoons a week, attended by the vast majority of the school aged kids in town)

money (mainly on petrol and feeding plagues of locusts hoards of boys in my house)

time (ferrying him about endlessly for sports team fixtures and dropping him of to meet his mates as they mooch from house to house and do "nuffink mum, stop interrogating meeeee !" )

....that we were able to plug any school shaped social gap.

You'd think I'd be pleased about the above.

And I was.

Until he was discovered chatting up a 17yo girl in the library this Saturday.

Right now I'm not so sure I don't want an ”unsocialised homeschooler" cos I am so not ready for this bit. Grin

streakybacon · 16/03/2015 18:04

Nicki Ds was deregistered at the start of Y5 and he's now 16. We're coming to the end of our HE journey and planning for college from September. It's been hard work but we've loved it, and he's thrived Smile.

Dinosaur I don't think those of us with SEN experiences are applying the same factors to the OP's situation, just responding to other posters' impressions about HE and doing a bit of mythbusting Smile.

Like the one about social isolation. Most of the home educators I know complain that they find it hard to find time in the house for academic work, because there's so much other stuff going on outside. Juggling it all can be a nightmare Wink.

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:04

Can you imagine how awful it would be if op had to physically drag him into school?

He has lost his family structure( although a new one is forming) , it appears his relationship with his father isn't secure...how the hell would he cope if his main carer and person he could trust dragged him into school?

He needs to be allowed to build security, safety and trust again

NickiFury · 16/03/2015 18:07

Agree streaky socialisation is the least of our worries. We are never in.

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:07

em

I suppose you could say his confidence building was successful then......Wink

streakybacon · 16/03/2015 18:11

I agree Christin. As long as it takes, too - no rush.

DinosaurRaaaar · 16/03/2015 18:11

Christina - ok, and how will providing him with "safety and security" work, if the very thing you are doing to try and achieve that, will harm him mentally going forward?

Not that HE harms people, but removing someone from the anxiety provoking situation for any longer than a short while, actually INCREASES their anxiety long term.

A short period at home while therapy etc is put into place and coping strategies and formulated, fine. But removing him in response to anxiety for longer than a short while will inexorably change his neural pathways. And that takes more than HE to sort. Unless, of course, long term mental health issues are better than structured management of anxiety?

HE is great, but in the OPs situation, she will be playing with fire re his MH.

SuburbanRhonda · 16/03/2015 18:11

How would I get him into school?

There are plenty of strategies you could try, but I'm afraid nothing will work unless you are committed to getting him in. If you're not, and you want to home educate because it's easier than tackling his refusal to go in (not being mean, that sounds like the reason), you'll never get him in because your heart won't be in it and he'll pick that up from your body language.

So the first thing to establish is, do you want to get him back into school?

EmEyeFaive · 16/03/2015 18:12

Christinayang1

A bit too bleeding successful.

How come I couldn't get my head around the educational system, but the Sterotype on Steriods Italian Mamma thing I can absorb by some kind of osmosis ... without skipping a beat ?

It really doesn't feel very fair.

MsJudgementalPants · 16/03/2015 18:14

I am assuming that Jemima has absolutely no experience of children with mental health issues or SEN. No doubt assumes every family is exactly like her own.

May I suggest Jemima dear that you get your hands on a copy of Saturday's Times which ran a huge feature on the lack of funding for CAMHs just to educate yourself on what a lot of our children are having to put up with.

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:14

School can't provide that for him just now....his mum can

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 16/03/2015 18:14

LOL, just LOL to this whole thread.

Jemima - I totally don't give a F what you think. I truly don't. You live your life. At some point, your kids will do something you don't want them to do and something you don't think they should do.

I have a very well behaved, very happy child.

everyone else can jog on.

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:17

The op has already stated that is a short term measure to allow him to heal and to give her time to find supports

Pandora37 · 16/03/2015 18:17

I'd think you were possibly a bit alternative but that's because lots of the people I know who home educate tend to be of the hippyish, alternative variety and have often been to Montessori and Steiner schools before. That said, I've known a couple of people who were home educated for other reasons. One for severe bullying in two schools and the other for severe SEN that her school couldn't cater for.

One of my closest friends was home educated and I was quite jealous, she was able to pursue what she wanted to and I liked the freedom of it. She did very little maths and science though so her knowledge of these is lacking as an adult and she spent all her time with other middle class, home educated children and she did say she wishes she'd mixed with people from other backgrounds. But apart from that, she loved being home educated.

DinosaurRaaaar · 16/03/2015 18:22

Christina - a short term measure would be him being off school for a few weeks, not de-registering. And to be blunt, no he doesn't need his mum, he needs therapy. If mum's could make it all better, there would be no need for CAMHS.

Of course, if you would like to provide your input to a fully qualified mental health team, you could always advise us at the next multi-disciplinary mental health team meeting we have, to discuss treatment of someone with severe avoidant anxiety. Of course, it would have to be at their home due to agoraphobia Hmm

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:27

Dino

Why so aggressive? Is that your demonstration of a person centered approach or an outcome focused assessment?

Is this how you deal with vulnerable service users?

Better check your facts next time...in 25 years of practice I have attended many multiagency meetings

If you would also like to take the time to read the thread in full you will see that I have recommended that the op seek support from gp, school , therapist and play therapist

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:28

Perhaps you need to refresh your memory on your code of conduct and your registration requirements ....oh and values, remember practicing in a non judgmental manner?

streakybacon · 16/03/2015 18:32

If mum's could make it all better, there would be no need for CAMHS

The phrase 'chocolate teapot' springs readily to mind, if I recall my experience with my local team of qualified professionals. Jaysus Hmm.

ahbollocks · 16/03/2015 18:34

Excuse mr for reading between the lines here op, I can see you are trying to protect him, but YOU seem concerned about what other people think. I just wonder if you have some sort of social anxiety that might be filtering down to him?
Apologies if not, genuinely dont mean to offend.

To answer you question; I would think either he had been bullied / you were a bit of a lentil weaver / you were trying to achieve academic excellence.
If it were me, id probably pull dd out until September, find a new school for the next school year, and find a therapist in the mean time.

Christinayang1 · 16/03/2015 18:34

I as wonder wha fully qualified practitioner belittles the rule of the main care giver

I suggest you read some Sally wassel and her view on attachment theory...at one of your next professional meetings

turquoiseamethyst · 16/03/2015 18:35

Yes, Christina absolutely has, dino

I also feel your post was unnecessarily belligerent.

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