They've just decided Richard III won't be buried in York

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

You have to look at this document:

www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/richard-3rd-judgment-.pdf

It is cracking me up, properly. There's something so funny about seeing it all set out like that.

Just seen Tom Holland on twitter suggest Fotheringhay, the church where many York royals were buried. What do you think?

No sign of Gregory yet...

Heavens. Buckingham reconstruct is a sinister looking chap.

I live in Leicester

the cortege will be practically passing by my house

the whole of Leicester is talking about it

I will definitely be taking my dc to watch it go by, history in the making

Lucky you and them!

I know.

actually quite excited, and so are my children, they are really interested in it.

He wasn't Richard of Leicester.

That's all I'll say on the matter...

I agree funnyosity, not sure why Leicester was decided as his final resting place. And I live there!

Goodness, that was rubbish.

Concluding that because H7 and Elizabeth of York were at Tyrell's trial, Richard was guilty?

I need a bit more flesh on those bones, C4/Starkey!

King in the Car park repeated now on more 4.

I'm tempted to go and see the procession tomorrow afternoon. I'm in Leicester on Wednesday and I hope to go and see the lying in state at the Cathedral. I entered the ballot for an invitation to the official ceremonies but wasn't successful

Just checking in so I can find you all over the next week.

Hoorah!

Marking my place...

Back to Starkey...

Didn't henry 7 drag tyrell back from guisnes/Calais for treason? Seems like a good enough reason to go
To his trial, if there was nothing good on at the jousts that day.

And if Henry 7 knew he was going to confess, why would he have been there in person? To make sure he confessed to doing it but didn't point the finger elsewhere, maybe??

(I am, broadly, intellectually neutral but emotionally Ricardian on who killed the princes, but that was a shockingly shit exposition at the end of some shockingly shit maundering by the fire and am dram expressions)

Also marking place. Yonic - Buckingham was spectacularly sinister looking in that programme wasn't he? Comically so. Disappointing programme but the King in the Car Park one was fascinating. Am assuming Phillipa will have pride of place tomorrow? :)

I know, Juan. I've seen less one dimensional portrayals in Horrible Histories.

And I note how shiny and wholesome Edward V looked vs Richard III and his hair looking unwashed...

I'm sure you history buffs have heard the controversy that he is being buried in a C of E Cathedral. He was Catholic (as obviously the C of E did not exist) and was buried in a Catholic monastery. Religiously the "historical accuracy" is a farce if he is interred by a religious group he didn't belong to.

Hmmm

I'm pragmatic.

Had grey friars still been a church but his grave lost through mislabelling etc I doubt he would have been moved at all.

Since he had to be, there were merits to each choice. In Leicester, for his place of death? York, for his family name? Gloucester, where he was Duke? Westminster with his wife?

The monks would've prayed suitably for his soul at the time.

There are still monks in England y'know and Richard died a Catholic and had a Catholic burial. How many buried C of E would expect to then be reinterred in a Catholic church?

But at the time he died, he practised the national religion. We have no idea of what his views of the Church of England would have been.

And ok, he hadn't been reinterred but his remains weren't in any kind of religious location any more!

And plenty more buried catholic have had the religious foundation above their heads change to c of e, surely?

Oh, and by the monks. I meant the time after death was when prayers were most requested. I don't think many monarchs are being prayed for regularly 500 years on.

The historians who discovered his remains all petitioned for a Catholic burial.

Fair enough, and I can understand that. It's not my primary consideration but I can see why it is for many.

YonicScrewdriver or had their gravesites smashed to pieces and removed a la Thomas a Beckett.