They've just decided Richard III won't be buried in York

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

You have to look at this document:

www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/richard-3rd-judgment-.pdf

It is cracking me up, properly. There's something so funny about seeing it all set out like that.

Just seen Tom Holland on twitter suggest Fotheringhay, the church where many York royals were buried. What do you think?

I am part way through reading it. Historians in the future will be referring to this no doubt. It covers more than Richard as well.

I think he should be buried in Wensleydale his childhood home and one of the most beautiful places in the world in my biased opinion (my home)

ExcuseTypos his previous burial spot was in what is now a car park in Leicester. Not a proper burial and miles from Bosworth Field.

I wonder who decided that his burial place- Greyfriers church, shouldn't be preserved, and when that happened?
It's just seems strange nowadays that we wouldn't know where an ex King was buried.

Greyfriars ceased being a monastery in 1538 with the dissolution. Like many, it was extensively damaged during the forced closure. Then passed to property developers, who sold off the stone to be reused and redeveloped the site.

LRD it is indeed a lovely part of the country. If you are ever over this way furtling through history then you are welcome to and

Oh, how kind.

LRD, do you mean he literally thought York stank, or just that he didn't like it very much?
I wonder if there's any reason why it should have been stinkier than any other medieval city.

I don't and never have lived in Leicester (although I have parked in the car park).
I think it should be Leicester.
Definitely not Westminster - there is not much room there, it has plenty of famous burials, and it would be a good place to "forget" about him.
York has a claim.
But Leicester, where the Monks took pity on his body and gave him a Christian burial - where I'm sure the other side would have liked to have done worse with them - seems like the best place. It is also not a city overwhelmed with other tourist spots.

I don't have a link to Leicester or York but I don't think he had much of a link either (I'm prepared to be corrected). I wouldn't expect people to start demanding that prince Andrew be buried in York (once dead, of course).

Didn't he live in Northumberland for a long time?

I can see London having a claim (lived there), Northumberland (ditto - unless I'm thinking of someone else) and Leicester (nearest consecrated ground etc. but not York.

Fascinating stuff

Thanks for this thread

If not York (he was Richard of York) or Westminster (he was King) then with his wife &/or only child (well, only legitimate child - I think I read he had at least one illegitimate one). Fotheringhay is where he was born but his parents moved about a lot I think?

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Oh - his wife is buried in Westminster Abbey - there, then! I know the monks at Leicester were good to his remains but he'd never have chosen to die & be buried there. Henry VII, the murdering bastard, got Westminster Abbey so it would be a belated one in the eye for him if Richard went there too as an acknowledged King of England.

Did they ever do NNA tests on the two boy's remains found by steps near the Tower of London? If they have Richard III's DNA now, they can test it against his nephews is that right? It would be nice to have those two boy's burried as a King and Prince at the same time as their Uncle.

I thought it was a done deal for Leicester.

I agree with PP that Westminster Abbey is the most appropriate, but I have assumed from the beginning that Leicester would be chosen. Fascinating story, especially the part that DNA plays in all of this. Several historical mysteries have been solved with modern science: Prince Philip's DNA was used to verify the remains of the Romanovs; the Duke of Buccleuch's DNA is strong evidence that his ancestor the Duke of Monmouth was indeed the child of Charles II. I love this stuff.

Well, i think he should be buried in Westminster abbey next to his wife with a full state funeral.
We should all get a day off and all copies of Shakespeare 's Richard III
Should have a preface reminding people that it is a work of Absolute FICTION.
Can you tell I'm a fan

It's got to be a late medieval state funeral, though, done in as authentic a way as possible.
It's only fair.

Furtling is a great word.

"Did they ever do NNA tests on the two boy's remains found by steps near the Tower of London? If they have Richard III's DNA now, they can test it against his nephews is that right? It would be nice to have those two boy's burried as a King and Prince at the same time as their Uncle."

The PTB won't allow further tests on the bones ie for them to be disturbed again, and the last tests were done before DNA was discovered.

"burried as a King and Prince at the same time as their Uncle"

Must not go there, must not go there, must not go there...

The distant relative bit really pisses me off who gives a fuck what they think. I am descended from Richard's brother (Duke of Clarence) and imagine there must be hundreds of thousands of us "distant relatives" perhaps millions.

Personally I would have left him in Leicester. I thought there was a theory it wasn't actually him but another relative?

Oh, I just saw tunip's question.

Literally, he thought it stank. Apparently it did. It was a very, very, very smelly city, I've been told.

And yes, when I was told this, I did stick up for York, right in the middle of a big serious seminar.

Visitor Centre opened in Leicester this weekend!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-28487978

This book (about the Hastings execution) is £1.09 in the Kindle summer sale:

www.amazon.co.uk/Richard-Murder-Tower-Peter-Hancock-ebook/dp/B0078XH8CA/ref=zg_bs_3017941031_92

The Reburial is on C4 tomorrow (Sunday 22 March) at 1710. Procession to Leicester Cathedral with historians discussing him.

discussion programme tonight with the usual suspects (gregory, starkey etc) - C4 9pm