Oxbridge graduates who can’t get a job

[AquaLeader]

Interesting article in The Times this morning.

Meet the Oxbridge graduates who can’t get a (good) job -
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/oxbridge-graduates-cant-get-good-job-d9ddj9dff

It is unlikely to be a coincidence that the graduates highlighted all appear to hold degrees in the humanities.

Humanities, arts, and social science degrees (except quantitative subjects like economics and finance), Oxbridge or not, are basically worthless scraps of paper certifying you spent 3 years reading story books. You don't need intelligence (IQ) or skills to get one of those degrees, and you certainly won't graduate with any skills. If you are literate enough to read newspapers you are literate enough for an Oxford / Cambridge humanities, arts, social science degree.

If you were the really clever / bright / intelligent (high IQ Mensa) type you would have picked a STEM degree.

IQ ranking:
Oxbridge STEM > Russell Group STEM > anything else

Humanities, arts, social science degrees (Oxford / Cambridge / Oxbridge or not) are low IQ degrees, to put it bluntly and objectively. Why would any employer hire someone to argue Shakespeare / Jane Austen / Harry Potter?

Hmm you obviously feel strongly about that, your username says it all ...

@humanitiesareworthless Fortunately we aren’t all the same or think the same. My dh is an engineer. Brilliant at that (so he says) but illiterate in some ways - reads nothing. A world run by stem nerds isn’t a great prospect either. Law degrees are humanities. Lawyers can earn well! Also many employers need a mix of grads. They all have different attributes and employers need that to thrive. Fortunately most aren’t myopic.

Oh dear…..

Tell me you know nothing about what you’re talking about, without telling me you know nothing about what you’re talking about, as the young people say…

Let’s see you take a class with me on history or philosophy and you’d soon change your tune about how easy they are. I’m frankly embarrassed for you that your ignorance is showing so badly 😆

Most STEM degrees are for detail people who like to follow rules and crank out results, but don’t do any actual thinking. In fact most STEM doctorates are what my scientist colleagues call “hand-crank projects” — ie. you put data in, turn the handle and results come out. Not many people even get to doing serious thought and new research in STEM disciplines until much later in their careers; and even then, scientists who can do big-picture thinking or who can communicate their ideas well are vanishingly rare.

On the wind up are we?

I’m guessing you took one of those degrees then as you’re not coming across as overly bright. You certainly don’t understand what employers are looking for. Which goes a long way to explaining why some graduates, regardless of which subject or university, aren’t being successful in the graduate job market.

blimey. Well that’s clearly a troll and should be ignored.

I’m a massive stem advocate and have worked in related fields for 25+ years and while I won’t go into details, am pretty well paid. I have a humanities degree. Am surrounded by people with 6 figures salaries who studied humanities/English/arts.

Lol, STEM genius couldn't figure out how to manage a double-post.

Elon, put the ketamine down!

Just because you found humanities hard doesn't mean a STEM graduate would find humanities hard... is it too difficult for a humanities student to understand? STEM students write lab reports with extremely high levels of literacy and precision (that alone is already far more than what the humanities people are capable of), plus natural intellect, laboratory skills, and so on.

LOL at humanities students trying to argue their way out of their intellectual (IQ) shortcomings. Here are the stats - physicsists, mathematicians firmly at the top.
Humanities and Arts students bite the dust (lowest IQ among degree subjects if you are intellectually incapable of reading numbers). Keep reading Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, and Jane Austen lol those novels are less than toilet paper to STEM graduates.

https://www.accommodationforstudents.com/student-blog/the-subjects-with-the-highest-iqs
Humanities and arts students are firmly outside gifted territory. To put it bluntly, humanities, arts, and non-quant social sciences degrees attract dumb and worthless people (including and especially those Hogwarts Harry Potter LARPers / wannabes at Oxford and Cambridge Oxbridge humanities arts social science departments).

🤣 It seems someone with a narcissistic personality disorder who thinks they could succeed at everything is posting on Mumsnet. It is simply a fact there are plenty of people with appalling communication skills in the world and lots of them work in STEM. Intelligent people can make their own choices in life and not all of them choose STEM.

My bad I forgot the humanities, arts, and social sciences students at Durham and St Andrews, lol. They are wannabe Oxbridge Hogwarts Harry Potter LARPers. LARPing as a LARPer. Sad existence. Failed their family wealth.

So which uni are you a graduate of and what was your subject?

Maybe they are busy building the next AI chatbot with better communication and literacy skills than all of humanities, arts, and social sciences students combined? Oh wait, they have already done so (and succeeded) whilst humanities, arts, and social sciences were spending 3 years learning how to read bedtime storybooks.

Oh dear! An article from a student blog hosted by The Tab, about some random “data” from an American company flogging its proprietary IQ testing packages…you ain’t no scientist 😆

Real scientists don’t believe in IQ testing to start with. It’s extremely unscientific.

Looks like you need to learn a bit about critical and analytical thinking, and how to evaluate data and all that sort of thing. Can I recommend you enroll in a social sciences class on the history of experimental psychology, too?

🤣Succeeded?🤣That may appear the case to stupid people.

LOL you are trying to argue your way out again with your subjective rhetoric? I will name high IQ geniuses for you right here right now, namely Einstein, Hawking, Newton, Tao, Turing, Tesla, etc.
Did they study humanities, arts, or social sciences? Would they ever waste 3 years of their time reading worthless garbage Jane Austen, JK Rowling, Charles Dickens, and Shakespeare churned out? No, intelligent people have better, more intelligent ways of spending their time, and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Hmm. Newton was also into theology and alchemy. 😏

99% of arts, humanities, and social sciences students (excluding quant) chose arts, humanities, and social science degree subjects because they are not intelligent enough to even have an interest (and ability) in STEM.

STEM students chose STEM because they are intelligent enough to realise things most humanities, arts, and social sciences students don't.

I will let you guess and argue what is the limiting factor here.

Only a true thicko would use a made up percentage in their argument….

Theology because Oxford and Cambridge were not secular universities at that time.

Alchemy because it is part of STEM / Natural Sciences.

Boom.