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to reapply to imperial

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butterflyflutterby123 · 27/05/2022 13:10

Please read to the end, so sorry its long but very lost and need the advice. DD is 18, and applied for university this year, mechanical engineering degrees. I don't want to sound like a mum who thinks their child is the best and is totally naive, but she is incredible clever.

She has always been top of her class and way ahead of her peers (its been a learning curve to cultivate healthy friendships while being extremely intelligent - she goes to an all girls school, but clever girls are still not highest in the social pecking order 🙄). She got ten 9's and an a at gcse, and is now taking maths, further maths, physics and biology, she has already taken an epq and got an a (she did it on a history topic; she doesnt actually find sciences easier than arts, she loves them both)

there's the background, here's the story. she applied to 2 different imperial courses (mech and aero), ucl, bristol and kings. she wanted to apply to cambridge, but decided against it for financial reasons. she had an amazing ps and loads of work experience (inc 2 summer work experiences at engineering firms) and is predicted 4 a*s. she got invited to take the entrance exam for both. it was a very weird setup, they weren't really told what to expect or given past exams to practise. She fonud the mech one extremely easy and breezed through it (twice - she had to retake it when imperial had a technical difficulty...). she got invited for a mech interview. she was unprepared for the level of difficulty of the aero exam and wasn't asked for an interview. She's not too upset about the aero place, as she already decided she wanted the mech course. She had an interview which went really well. the examiner was very pleasant, and told her he could see she was very passionate and interested.

I'm so sorry to say, but uni rejections were never even on our horizon. I know it sounds horrible and arrogant, but it didn't cross our mind, she has passed every academic test with flying colours. she was very upset when she got rejected from the mech course. she eventually got feedback saying a. some other candidates did better problem solving then her and b. she didn't use a lot of technical language in the interview. This is upsetting because no.1 her interviewer didnt ask her any problem solving questions!! he focused entirely on her work experiences. also, isn't she supposed to get the technical knowledge in the course?

anyway, she has been very mature and philosophical about it. she got ucl, but she really wants icl because she can specialise in nuclear engineering in the 4th year of her MEng. she's not crazy on the idea of going through the whole application process next year on her gap year, but really wants to have a mech+nuclear degree. also, if she reapplies, she automatically loses her ucl place and has to reapply there too, and thats a risk (stupid ucas)

is ucl as good as icl?
is icl still a cold and lonely environment?
does having a year of nuclear help her get nuclear engineering jobs?
is it risky losing ucl?
any other general advice?
why did a 4 a* alevel and perfect gcse grade student with work experience, volunteering etc (objectively the perfect application) get rejected?

thanks for sticking with me <3

OP posts:
butterflyflutterby123 · 01/07/2024 09:18

Hi

Yes DD did reapply, and got in, she is currently at imperial

For cheaper - yes she is living at home right now, so saving on some years accommodation is ok.

DD is loving the environment, she has great friends and loves the university. She has really enjoyed her year.

However even expecting a huge workload, it was even more than anticipated. The sheer amount of work is quite unbelievable and it is a challenging degree. So anyone who wants free time might need to weigh this against their reasons for going to imperial

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Greenbamboolo · 01/07/2024 11:47

butterflyflutterby123 · 01/07/2024 09:18

Hi

Yes DD did reapply, and got in, she is currently at imperial

For cheaper - yes she is living at home right now, so saving on some years accommodation is ok.

DD is loving the environment, she has great friends and loves the university. She has really enjoyed her year.

However even expecting a huge workload, it was even more than anticipated. The sheer amount of work is quite unbelievable and it is a challenging degree. So anyone who wants free time might need to weigh this against their reasons for going to imperial

Thank you for replying. That’s very good news. Congratulations. What did she do better the second time around?

The amount of work does concern me. Not sure they get much of a life and may be burn out by the time they finished.

butterflyflutterby123 · 01/07/2024 21:34

She didn't do anything differently 😂

Yeah having a social life is a challenge and burnout is a risk. They are pushed very hard

What is your dc thinking about

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GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 01:46

Good for your daughter but my son did a year there recently and I encouraged him to drop out because I could see what it was doing to him. He was waking at 4am to study before lectures and spending ridiculous hours in the library.Two people in his year died. I don't want to speculate, but young people don't just drop dead. He's left now but last week he received a message that a former classmate has gone missing. I really wouldn't encourage anybody to study there.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 01:53

There's also a massive Chinese population that don't make it easy to integrate. I'll likely get jumped on for this, but it is true.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 03:46

When the upsetting news about the deaths happened I googled and found out they had 23 deaths in the last five years to March 2022. I've not compared this to other unis so I don't know if this is usual (hopefully not!)

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:12

butterflyflutterby123 · 01/07/2024 21:34

She didn't do anything differently 😂

Yeah having a social life is a challenge and burnout is a risk. They are pushed very hard

What is your dc thinking about

DC is really set on a course at IC but I do worry about the level of work, mental and physical health. Even before I read the comments above which I was unaware. They are not top for nothing. They may not get in anyway which may be a blessing in disguise.

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:13

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 01:46

Good for your daughter but my son did a year there recently and I encouraged him to drop out because I could see what it was doing to him. He was waking at 4am to study before lectures and spending ridiculous hours in the library.Two people in his year died. I don't want to speculate, but young people don't just drop dead. He's left now but last week he received a message that a former classmate has gone missing. I really wouldn't encourage anybody to study there.

What was your child studying? Is he gone to another university?

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:38

The course DC wants to study is Design Engineering at IC, the other choice is Product Design Engineering at Loughborough which I feel is more her level.

delicatedonkey · 02/07/2024 09:23

@Greenbamboolo has your DC seen the new design course at Cambridge - a friends DC preferred the look of it to the Imperial one. Might be worth a look!

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 09:50

delicatedonkey · 02/07/2024 09:23

@Greenbamboolo has your DC seen the new design course at Cambridge - a friends DC preferred the look of it to the Imperial one. Might be worth a look!

She looked at it online but it seems quite different to the other two; more theory somehow and involves architecture which I am not sure she is interested.

Bath has also integrated design engineering.

The course content differ quite a lot in all universities though

poetryandwine · 02/07/2024 11:05

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 03:46

When the upsetting news about the deaths happened I googled and found out they had 23 deaths in the last five years to March 2022. I've not compared this to other unis so I don't know if this is usual (hopefully not!)

This seemed alarming enough that I just did a search. Adolescent mortality increased to1.8/10,000 by 2019. IC has just over 10,000 undergraduates. They aren’t precisely adolescents, and the year 2022 could be an outlier. But basically yes, 5 deaths in a year seems high

poetryandwine · 02/07/2024 11:05

Or 23 deaths in 5 years

TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 16:27

@GreenLunchBox I think there can be cultural differences at IC. Some posters are from culturally different backgrounds and all work and not much play is ok with them and dc are conditioned to it. Not everyone is like this and it’s not as if you won’t get a job by being at Loughborough or Bath! Choose the right place for you. It matters not one jot that’s it’s not IC.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 22:16

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:13

What was your child studying? Is he gone to another university?

He was doing Aeronautical Engineering. He's at another uni now.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 22:19

TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 16:27

@GreenLunchBox I think there can be cultural differences at IC. Some posters are from culturally different backgrounds and all work and not much play is ok with them and dc are conditioned to it. Not everyone is like this and it’s not as if you won’t get a job by being at Loughborough or Bath! Choose the right place for you. It matters not one jot that’s it’s not IC.

Yes, we did research before he went and we were aware of the social issues. As well as the online reviews, somebody who's child also ended up dropping out because of the environment warned us, but we didn't listen because my son actually thought that it would suit him because he's not an extrovert. Sadly it didn't.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 22:25

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:13

What was your child studying? Is he gone to another university?

If your DC is a girl I would definitely encourage them not to apply. The issues would just be magnified. There were single digits on my son's course. And if half of the few girls are Chinese then it will be very miserable.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 22:38

Greenbamboolo · 02/07/2024 06:12

DC is really set on a course at IC but I do worry about the level of work, mental and physical health. Even before I read the comments above which I was unaware. They are not top for nothing. They may not get in anyway which may be a blessing in disguise.

Accomodation is a real nightmare too. As you can imagine in London. Before he left he was trying to secure shared house accommodation with some other students for the second academic year. ( You're only guaranteed accommodation for the first year, but after that you're on your own). Every time you turned up to view a house there was a queue around the corner of students.The prices for these shared houses were eye-watering already (and they were a bit gross too- the landlords definitely weren't fussed about presenting them nicely 😭) but if you wanted it you needed to bid over the odds. They kept getting turned down and his friends only managed to secure a property a week before the new year started. It was so stressful (and expensive!!)

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 22:50

poetryandwine · 02/07/2024 11:05

This seemed alarming enough that I just did a search. Adolescent mortality increased to1.8/10,000 by 2019. IC has just over 10,000 undergraduates. They aren’t precisely adolescents, and the year 2022 could be an outlier. But basically yes, 5 deaths in a year seems high

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TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 23:05

@GreenLunchBox I remember my DD saying a certain type of dc goes to Lse and IC. It’s not that you have to be an extrovert to go elsewhere, it’s that you must be very driven to be at these unis. Yes, the accommodation is difficult and you have to look miles away. Living at home is obviously becoming more popular.

My DD1 was at school with many Chinese girls. She’s still friends with a few but the culture is different. They really are here to work and achieve. It’s not as if aeronautical engineering isn’t respected at other unis. Life could be more balanced though.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 23:30

TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 23:05

@GreenLunchBox I remember my DD saying a certain type of dc goes to Lse and IC. It’s not that you have to be an extrovert to go elsewhere, it’s that you must be very driven to be at these unis. Yes, the accommodation is difficult and you have to look miles away. Living at home is obviously becoming more popular.

My DD1 was at school with many Chinese girls. She’s still friends with a few but the culture is different. They really are here to work and achieve. It’s not as if aeronautical engineering isn’t respected at other unis. Life could be more balanced though.

He didn't get into Cambridge, but from our visits there it seemed more conducive to good mental health (and would have been cheaper!). It seemed to me that it was a completely different vibe to ICL despite the superlative ranking. Students need to obviously be very driven to study there, but it seems the environment is supportive.

He's a hard worker and didn't want to leave until I pointed out how he was a shadow of his usual self.

GreenLunchBox · 02/07/2024 23:46

We took the hit on the wasted year's worth of student loan (well, he did 😭) which has gone up by over a grand in a year😭. What a racket.

It is worth it to have my son happy and healthy. I hope to be able to support him with this at some point ☹️

GreenLunchBox · 03/07/2024 00:48

poetryandwine · 02/07/2024 11:05

This seemed alarming enough that I just did a search. Adolescent mortality increased to1.8/10,000 by 2019. IC has just over 10,000 undergraduates. They aren’t precisely adolescents, and the year 2022 could be an outlier. But basically yes, 5 deaths in a year seems high

Were there more deaths in 2022? I didn't find a breakdown

I'd be interested to see the updated figures to 2024

If interested is the word ☹️

Greenbamboolo · 03/07/2024 06:13

Thanks. I don’t think it is the place for DD. I will try to discourage her but not sure how without alarming her too much.

PandaPacer · 03/07/2024 06:39

I have just had a look at some stats from FOI requests and online reporting.

5 deaths by suicide in the five years up to 2022
5 suicides in one year at Cambridge in 2022
12 suicides in one year at Oxford in 2022

I work at a regional university, not anywhere near the tier of those above, and student suicides are a very very sad factor of student life for many reasons, most of them related to untreated mental health issues. This is a big issue for all HE institutions. High academic workload is rarely one of the reasons - my workplace is hardly known for being top of the tops.

I understand that the posters above individual child had problems, and good on the parents for stepping in to sort out. Not every uni is the right place for every student. However I can point to many students who also suffered like that child did at my middling institution and were rightly taken home by parents and moved to new institutions. Hardly a Chinese student in sight.

To be honest this story that is perpetuated on Mumsnet about Imperial being some place where you send your kids to get ground down in workload and over run by Chinese is tiring. Especially on a post where a mum has spoken about how much her child worked and sacrificed to get in.