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Expected to be guarantor for halls?

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 21/02/2022 19:19

My son has applied for halls today and paid a deposit. He then tells me he has put my name down as guarantor afterwards! I'm furious with him, but that can be dealt with later.
Right now I am very concerned as I can not be his guarantor. I am not anywhere near in a financial position to find £600 a month if he messes up. I have younger children to consider, so can not be guarantor. I asked the only person I could think of who it wouldn't affect (my dad) and he said an outright no.
So can my son not go to uni without a guarantor? I've been naive here, but I didn't expect this. He is almost 20, and earns good money whilst at college. He has more disposable income than me by miles. I was assuming that they would look at his income (which is currently 15k pa. working 24 hours pw. He will drop to 10k pa plus student loan of 9k so will have a higher over all income next year) but it seems they just do this automatically.
Can anyone advise?

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 26/02/2022 12:12

Overseas students are expected to pay in full up front so no they don’t have a guarantor because they don’t need one - nor are they entitled to student loans - unless their win government provide them.

TizerorFizz · 26/02/2022 12:18

None of that helps people like the op in subsequent years.

converseandjeans · 26/02/2022 12:45

OP glad you found out about cheaper halls, bursary & that his Dad has agreed to be guarantor. I hope he has a great time at uni.

MarchingFrogs · 26/02/2022 18:30

If the OP could afford either to pay 12 months' rent upfront, or to purchase a buy to let property for her DS and his friends to live in, though, presumably the only issue with being nominated as a guarantor for the coming year woukd be his lack of courtesy in not asking first...

cookiemon666 · 26/02/2022 19:04

I am my daughters guarantor for her accomodation at uni. I have three younger children as well. Admittedly she asked me, but it never occurred to me to say no. Why wouldn't you want to help your son?

AskingforaBaskin · 26/02/2022 19:39

@cookiemon666

I am my daughters guarantor for her accomodation at uni. I have three younger children as well. Admittedly she asked me, but it never occurred to me to say no. Why wouldn't you want to help your son?
Do you understand how money works?
RedHelenB · 27/02/2022 08:45

@Wartywart

I must admit I felt dismayed when you said you were furious with him. Who else could he put? Are you really going to lose him his chance of getting a university degree by not being prepared to back him? You will be badly letting him down.

Talk to him and explain that you cannot afford for him not to pay his rent. Most guarantors never have to step in and I'm sure you won't.

This. I'm a low earner myself but have been guarantor for mine but then they'd never not pay their rent and drop me in it.
bellac11 · 27/02/2022 10:15

I notice people seem to be assuming that a student wouldnt never 'not pay the rent', but they would if they became ill or wanted to drop out at the end of the first term, didnt attend, didnt therefore receive their next instalment of the loan and therefore couldnt pay the rent. OP would then be liable, hasnt got the money, could have court action taken against her.

AskingforaBaskin · 27/02/2022 11:03

@RedHelenB and would you have been able to afford the total amazing if the Bailiffs had come knocking?

cookiemon666 · 27/02/2022 12:04

Yes, I understand how money works thanks. As a single parent I work 2 jobs. And my daughter who is at university has had a part time job as a carer all the way through university.

WombatChocolate · 27/02/2022 13:12

Yes, people don’t realise the danger isn’t that of students being poor with money.

Defaulting, which means the guarantor becomes liable for the rent for the whole contract could happen if a student is ill and has to go home (more frequent than you think - especially with mental health issues rising) or a break-down in the relationship between sharers, or due to failing a course.

Kids move out if their accommodation for all kinds of reasons that you simply cannot predict and which aren’t due to irresponsibility. Therefore if you sign as guarantor, whilst you hope strongly that you won’t be called on, having signed you have to accept that you could be and many parents are called on to meet their guarantor responsibilities every year. It really would be folly to sign up because ‘I will never be called on becaue my child is a good boy’ if you cannot actually afford the financial commitment or it would place you and your family in financial jeopardy.

It’s not an equal access system is it. Those from more well off backgrounds have parents who can be guarantors, pay chunks of rent or deposits upfront, buy a buy to let, have the fullest choice of accommodations which require funding before loans become available. Parental money plus understanding the system gives access advantages. Even paying for insurance which exempts you from responsibility as guarantor to the others in shared in accommodation costs money, that those hard pressed probably are less likely to take out, leaving themselves more exposed.

It’s difficult to know how this can be changed, given much accommodation is privately provided and of course LLs want to protect their assets and not be out of pocket when students default. However, for a government talking about ‘levelling up’ and widening access, an increased proportion if Uni accommodation being privately owned works against levelling up, as does reducing the wage at which student loans start being paid off and lengthening the period over which it’s paid off.

Debt of all kinds, even manageable student loans which can be seen as a graduate tax, is more scary and off-putting to families for whom all debt has very negative connotations. The barriers to equal access remain firmly in place. Those who glibly suggest alternatives such as finding another relative to be guarantor, or paying bigger chunks upfront build the barriers higher by showing the students and the families of those with less means, than most students and their families have zero understanding of their financial situation, and make them feel ‘out if place’ amongst the well off, who cannot even imagine the difficulties those with less means face, as shown by their tone-deaf suggestions.

PassTheGinSheila · 27/02/2022 14:17

Thank you for your post @WombatChocolate - it puts into words much that I have been thinking, experiencing and worrying about as I support a young person of 18 applying for university 'halls' which are all actually private and self-catered, so not even covering any meals. He will come out of this with almost £60k of debt and will probably be repaying it until he is 60 years of age. He will be relying on the full loans for fees and maintenance. He also doesn't have a guarantor. I thought I would at least be able to help arrange insurance instead for him via the uni's accommodation website but I have seen in their small print that this only covers accommodation up to £5400 for the academic year, when the halls near enough to the campus are mostly well above that, limiting his options and disadvantaging him even further. The odds are, as ever, stacked against those who need and deserve a bit more of a level playing field. It is scary and off-putting for young people in his situation. It also stacks up more barriers in the future for affording rent or a mortgage.

MarchingFrogs · 27/02/2022 19:04

Apologies if you have already looked into this, @PassTheGinSheila, but if there are no rooms available at or below the £5400 p.a. level, is there a possibility that the current level of cover available is greater, but the relevant document / web page hasn't been updated?

RedHelenB · 02/03/2022 21:56

[quote AskingforaBaskin]@RedHelenB and would you have been able to afford the total amazing if the Bailiffs had come knocking? [/quote]
I'd have had to make an arrangement to pay but my dds are sensible and have grown up knowing about money and bills and the golden rule that you pay for accommodation first.

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