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Expected to be guarantor for halls?

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 21/02/2022 19:19

My son has applied for halls today and paid a deposit. He then tells me he has put my name down as guarantor afterwards! I'm furious with him, but that can be dealt with later.
Right now I am very concerned as I can not be his guarantor. I am not anywhere near in a financial position to find £600 a month if he messes up. I have younger children to consider, so can not be guarantor. I asked the only person I could think of who it wouldn't affect (my dad) and he said an outright no.
So can my son not go to uni without a guarantor? I've been naive here, but I didn't expect this. He is almost 20, and earns good money whilst at college. He has more disposable income than me by miles. I was assuming that they would look at his income (which is currently 15k pa. working 24 hours pw. He will drop to 10k pa plus student loan of 9k so will have a higher over all income next year) but it seems they just do this automatically.
Can anyone advise?

OP posts:
Xenia · 22/02/2022 10:21

This was never the case for my 5 including 3 at Bristol for hall. For years 2 and 3 it was needed and I refused to it and their father did it (I paid the rent for them as they have no student loans so he had by far the better deal and most of their friends had working high earning parents on the whole so in their cases at universities too where not many drop out it was not a big risk).

year 1 university owned halls at traditional universities I just don't think ever do require parental guaranators.

By the way in law he cannot sign you up as a guarantor and you need to deal with the legal side of this - get the document withdrawn although he may have committed an offence in signing your name which could mean he is in very serious trouble, affecting his future life and career so do look at everything very very carefully before taking this further.

SimpleShootingWeekend · 22/02/2022 10:34

signing up for halls in February?

My ds only has one offer. He has one rejection and is still waiting on 3. The university who has made him the offer is bombarding him with panicky emails about signing up for accommodation, with vague threats about running out of space. It’s shite of them. Ds is worried he will be left with expensive halls (or no halls) if he goes there but wants to wait it out in case he gets an offer for his first choice. It’s yet another way that widening participation is challenged. When you don’t have any spare money it’s very tempting to withdraw from the more prestigious institutions that take ages to select their undergrads and plump for the “safe” fifth choice who gave you an offer almost before your finger was off the “send” button. His first choice runs access programs, contextualises results, and gives special consideration to those who are from backgrounds less likely to participate in higher education. What it does not do is send out early decisions to alleviate your financial concerns over affording accommodation. It’s shite, and it probably hasn’t even occurred to them that it’s even an issue.

OP I have no advice but I so sympathise. I think the only thing to do is hammer it home with your ds that you can’t afford for him to fuck up and if he does drop out then he’s going to be stacking shelves in his sleep.

Luckygreenduck · 22/02/2022 10:44

I understand your worry but worth thinking about this been a reality for the next few years. Student houses need guarantors as well. A friend's parents were not willing and he went through all the loops suggested; asking to pay more up front, asking the students Union for support etc.
In the end all the letting agent would agree to is the other parents also been his guarantor. It put everyone in a really difficult position and basically passed the burden from his parents to his friends parents.

WomenFromVenusDoNotHaveAPenis · 22/02/2022 11:03

@WombatChocolate

And another barrier to students from less well if students attending Uni, is that sense they don’t belong there. This is made all the stronger when they meet students or the parents of students who can’t grasp the idea that not everyone can pay a big housing deposit or afford to act as guarantor, or feel comfortable with signing up as guarantor, which brings the risk (difficult to live with, if even the small risk you’ll have to pay out multiple thousands - puts the rest of your family life in jeopardy) of financial ruin.

It’s the lack of empathy and understanding of how the other half lives, which is a big cultural barrier to accessing Uni, as much as the finances themselves. This thread and the comments on it shows those barriers are still alive and well and subtly and not to subtly creating barriers to university.

I totally agree with this. The huge pressure on students to reserve their halls places with a deposit/rent in advance (at least from the unis my DCs went to, and this was recently) is also a factor.

We (perhaps naively) didn't realise there wasn't enough halls for all students who wanted them, so when they got offers we had to pay hundreds of pounds immediately so they didn't lose out on the room. You also take what you are given, if there is only a more expensive room left when you wanted a basic cheaper room, tough shit. Those of us with bad enough timing to have DCs in the same year Smile are particularly hard hit.

And yes, (ignorant) people will say things like well you knew they were going you should have been prepared etc need to understand that the last few years have taken a lot of families' savings and rainy day money away from them. Our financial situation over the last few years is light years away from where it was. Luckily I had done a "bottom drawer" thing for all of them but the costs of deposits/rent in advance and the travel was eye watering.

Again, lucky people just assume everyone is in the same position, they don't think about people without cars (and the cost of fuel even if you do!) so the rail fares/public transport costs (even with student cards) are also eye watering. This is also why some students don't even get a chance to visit their shortlisted unis, their families just don't have the money for the travel to and from different cities.

There really is a huge divide, and like PP said, it's also a problem for students when they start uni (especially RG unis but that's a different thread Grin

AskingforaBaskin · 22/02/2022 12:55

It's not the reality. He may need it for that Uni or that accommodation but if OP can not do it and by her breakdown of finances she can not then he can not choose that option.

Welcome to being an adult in the UK. You can't have what you can't afford.

bellac11 · 22/02/2022 14:28

@WombatChocolate

And another barrier to students from less well if students attending Uni, is that sense they don’t belong there. This is made all the stronger when they meet students or the parents of students who can’t grasp the idea that not everyone can pay a big housing deposit or afford to act as guarantor, or feel comfortable with signing up as guarantor, which brings the risk (difficult to live with, if even the small risk you’ll have to pay out multiple thousands - puts the rest of your family life in jeopardy) of financial ruin.

It’s the lack of empathy and understanding of how the other half lives, which is a big cultural barrier to accessing Uni, as much as the finances themselves. This thread and the comments on it shows those barriers are still alive and well and subtly and not to subtly creating barriers to university.

Absolutely. I met those messages from other students years ago, along the lines of 'god dont your parents support you' or if I was short of money 'cant you get it from your parents'

And posters here are making the OP feel bad or unsupportive or even someone saying she resented her son for going!!

WomenFromVenusDoNotHaveAPenis · 22/02/2022 14:32

"Welcome to being an adult in the UK. You can't have what you can't afford"

@AskingforaBaskin Am I misunderstanding you, or are you genuinely saying that you are fine with only the DC of wealthy parents being able to access further education?

Monopolyiscrap · 22/02/2022 14:36

Yes exactly. Someone without lots of money can't risk being a guarantor. It could leave them destitute if things went wrong.
And I have totally funded myself since I was 18 years old.

AskingforaBaskin · 22/02/2022 14:55

@WomenFromVenusDoNotHaveAPenis

"Welcome to being an adult in the UK. You can't have what you can't afford"

@AskingforaBaskin Am I misunderstanding you, or are you genuinely saying that you are fine with only the DC of wealthy parents being able to access further education?

I'm not fine with it. That sucks. But welcome to reality. People who can't afford to be guarantors can not be. Are you really so ignorant that you don't understand that?

Naivety really is such a privilege

WomenFromVenusDoNotHaveAPenis · 22/02/2022 15:12

Perhaps you should read my previous posts @AskingforaBaskin. The irony of you calling me naive and ignorant, oh, and patronising me.

Fucking hell.

AskingforaBaskin · 22/02/2022 15:17

I don't know what else to call someone who doesn't understand that only those who have money can spend money...

WomenFromVenusDoNotHaveAPenis · 22/02/2022 15:41

I'm not derailing the thread from the issue at hand by getting into a pointless argument with you asking. I asked you if I misunderstood your post, you just chose to reply with insults showing that (ironically) clearly you haven't read my previous posts. Go back and re-read if you want, I think it's clear and won't be responding further.

AskingforaBaskin · 22/02/2022 15:45

If you can't explain your own comments that's fine.

OP can not afford to be a guarantor. I am failing to see how you believe that her son is entitled to that halls that he can not afford.

SimpleShootingWeekend · 22/02/2022 15:47

The OPs ds does have money. He has wages and will get student finance. It’s ridiculous that his mother with LESS money is expected to bail him out if he, as an adult, skips out in a contract. It’s not welcome to being an adult at all, it’s dragging his mum in where she shouldn’t need to be because he is being treated as a child and restricting higher education and housing to only those whose parents are willing to treat their offspring as children well into their 20s. Large public and private landlords should be renting to adults without their mum having to sign her financial security over.

AskingforaBaskin · 22/02/2022 15:53

But that's the unfortunate part. He can't 'afford' it if he can not Pss the affordability checks that include a guarantor.

There are massive issues within the whole system. But that's not going to change.
So he needs as an adult to work out how to do this. But either finding another guarantor or exploring another Uni, accommodation or commuting from home.

NotQuiteNormalMe · 22/02/2022 15:57

I can't believe People are harping on about trust. Of course I trust my child to pay for rent, but what if something happens, maybe they get sick, maybe something major happens. I wouldn't be able to cover their rent.

bellac11 · 22/02/2022 16:00

@SimpleShootingWeekend

The OPs ds does have money. He has wages and will get student finance. It’s ridiculous that his mother with LESS money is expected to bail him out if he, as an adult, skips out in a contract. It’s not welcome to being an adult at all, it’s dragging his mum in where she shouldn’t need to be because he is being treated as a child and restricting higher education and housing to only those whose parents are willing to treat their offspring as children well into their 20s. Large public and private landlords should be renting to adults without their mum having to sign her financial security over.
Ive long been concerned about the infantilisation of young adults, this whole thread is an example, expecting a parent to continue financially supporting an adult
Keepyourheadscrewedon · 22/02/2022 16:37

I am assuming he starts in the autumn, he will be finishing his A levels in May and has the whole summer to work. I would be asking him to work every hour, for a sizeable amount upfront that stays with you, no more money spent on his wardrobe etc, you need a big chunk of his summer salary to be kept safe in the very unlikely event he defaults. It is still his money earning interest, but if explained to him properly how worried you are about being a guarantor he is likely to understand and comply one would help. He won't need driving lessons etc whilst at Uni, so he can wait for those. I think you need to feel safe, and he needs your support and help. There are compromises to be made.

It is a shame your father is being so unhelpful, I wonder why?
What about his father?

WombatChocolate · 22/02/2022 16:49

I think the point that was being made, was that a university system which relies on private accommodation, quite simply isn’t accessible to all.

The idea AskinFirABaskin, is that everyone who has the ability to go, can go. Personal and family finances should not be a barrier. When loans are available for the whole amount, and when university owned accommodation is offered, on the basis of rents paid at the point students receive their loans, it becomes more accessible to all. Once more elements of it become only available to those who can access money outside of the student loans, or require cash at times the student loan hasn’t paid out, it is immediately a system which isn’t available to all.

To me, a big problem seems to be the increasing use in some places of private halls. I suspect the newer universities rely more heavily on them and the older institutions are more likely to have university owned accommodation which won’t be demanding guarantors or so much up front. Poor funding to universities from government has probably made more turn to the private sector…..but that has a consequence in terms of accessibility.

So, yes, the system is increasingly such that only those who can afford it (via parental help) can access it. There is a shift in that direction and it’s at odds with the so-called move to broaden access. If government wants to trumpet broadening access and levelling-up, it needs to make sure there aren’t forces pulling in the opposite direction and worsening the current situation.

It isn’t good enough to just say ‘Op must sort it’ and ‘they need to find a guarantor’. Appreciation of the fact it’s isn’t possible for everyone is needed.

As others mention, usually orivate halls aren’t the only option. Some universities might not make totally clear the full range of options and what is required in terms of upfront payments/guarantors etc. In this marketplace of bums on seats fro funding, some lesser universities essentially try to bully offer holders into accepting their places and making financial commitments through fear tactics of no accommodation, to get them to commit, so they will then attend. And it will be those with no history if university attendance and for whom all this stuff about Uni accommodation is new, who are most likely to not have the knowledge of the system to know what else could be available, and so avoid being bullied. It’s this ‘cultural capital’ of having family or friends ‘in the know’ behind you to adivise and guide that those who broadening acces is often aimed at, are lacking. Another barrier.

What a shame. Op is. Excited about her son going to Uni. And no doubt he is too. Is it feeling more or less manageable and achievable now? Have people on this thread really helped that family feel like it’s a place for them and that the process can be smooth, or that somehow they don’t belong and can’t achieve what people are saying is a basic essential - a financial guarantor? Have people sympathised and been helpful? Some have, but lots haven’t and I’d suggest have been part of increasing barriers. But then that’s what some people actually want to do, because they don’t want broader and wider competition for their own children, and having finances can often be a way to exclude those who don’t.

caringcarer · 22/02/2022 16:52

If you don't trust your own son to pay his rent two days after his student loan is paid to him and he will have the money to do so, why do you think the Halls at University should trust him?

Nap1983 · 22/02/2022 17:03

I can’t believe the OP is getting grief for this. She’s clearly worried about being left with a large bill per month she can’t afford. It’s not only her son Paying the rent… what if he has to drop out? Sickness? Fail? My friend was put in that position, signed for her daughters uni halls… daughter had to leave during term for her MH, no refund and my friend was left with a bill she could not afford for the rest of the year. I think OP is actually sensible for considering this possibility

Keepyourheadscrewedon · 22/02/2022 17:15

If they really wanted to level the playing field they would give bursaries to children that are entitled to free school meals to help them cope with the added expenditure or to allow halls of residence entirely free. They could have special advisors and help lines set up for children that do not have the support and help that they need, advisors with a raft and range of help that can be offered.
The universities themselves could offer a special service to those students, and to ease any concerns about the debts involved, or better still to make allowances for such students.

I am one of those failed bright students that did not have the means nor the support to go to university as I should have done, and I can't believe the problem is even bigger today. There is no prospect of 'levelling up' or becoming a more equal society unless we can sort this out once and for all.

WombatChocolate · 22/02/2022 17:44

It’s not about trusting the son to pay. It’s about acknowledging the reality of things that happen to students all the time….they get sick and have to drop out, they fail, they fall out with their friends and the living arrangements cannot continue, mental health issues…..lads of students end up leaving their accommodation mid-year. The potential for financial loss for a guarantor is significant, or the loss of rent paid upfront can be significant.

This kind of thing happens to students from all kinds of backgrounds.

No parent wants to be forking out multiple thousands for accommodation which has been left. Most will speak to their children about the fact they really don’t want to be faced with those bills and reluctantly sign the guarantor form if they need to. They don’t want to be faced with the bill, but many could pay it if needed. And many kids would just expect their parent to pay it if the situation arose.

For those without great financial security behind them, these burdens weigh more heavily. The fear of having to pay up as a guarantor, especially if it would be really difficult can weigh heavily on a parent. Kids often know this too. Debt or fear if debt is much less for those who are well off. Many families have avoided dent all their lives due to a fear of not being able to afford it, or having seen others pulled under by debt. Taking on the student loans and roles such as a guarantor just don’t sit easily and comfortably with people who are struggling to keep their heads above water and need to feel in Full control of their limited finances.

I agree with a PP that OP is very wise to be thinking carefully about the guarantor aspect and not just signing the request without thought for the implications. She has herself and other children to think about too.

As a PP said, only the guarantor themselves can sign the form and make it legally binding. Perhaps her DS has signed an expression of interest which asked about guarantors, but hasn’t actually committed himself formally.

Op can now help DS look into alternative options and hopefully there will be some that don’t need a guarantor. Given all offers aren’t out now, it would probably be advisable to hold off from committing to accommodation just yet, and to know that there is still time and not be bullied by the university especially if it’s not a definite top choice.

babyboo1and2 · 22/02/2022 18:30

Don't know if it applies to your situation but whilst my son has been at university we have paid six months rent up front in order not to be a 'shared guarantor'. Obviously this is not something that everyone is able to do.

RampantIvy · 22/02/2022 18:52

I'm surprised that university halls are asking for a guarantor. I was never asked when DD was in halls, but I was when she went into second and third year accommodation.

I assume that your DS will be entitled to the full student loan, so there will be enough to cover his halls rent. If he paid termly in advance from his loan you may not be required as guarantor.

In the second and third year though, if he is paying rent monthly, he will absolutely need a guarantor. Landlords won't rent to students without one unless a big chunk of rent is paid in advance.

The only way to get round this is to pay his rent six monthly in advance. This is what parents of overseas students have to do because they can't be guarantors.