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Medicine 2021 - Part 4

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MaddieElla · 24/03/2021 17:12

Fingers crossed for those final offers coming in!

Hope no one minds me starting the new thread...

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withiceplease · 11/06/2021 11:06

@opoponax DD formed Nottingham too
I think it's about 48 hours between firming and being able to book accommodation so he will be able to do it nowSmile

Monkey2001 · 11/06/2021 11:13

@bimkom, if lots of people do the same and put Sheffield as Insurance that will be good news for Sheffield waiting list people like @SATSMadness. In 2019 everyone on the Sheffield waiting list ended up with an offer if they did not have over elsewhere, this year is much tighter, but there is definitely a glimmer of hope. 🤞🤞🤞

opoponax · 11/06/2021 11:16

Thank you @withiceplease. I'll check with him that he's doing it today.

opoponax · 11/06/2021 11:19

@Monkey2001 DS has insured Sheffield too. It is an attractive option in its own right but the reduced offer for A/A star EPQ makes it even more so as insurance. I agree with you about it being good news for waiting list candidates.

redtulip12 · 11/06/2021 11:23

DD has firmed Liverpool. We are currently stuck in traffic on M6 driving to a campus tour! Anyone else firmed Liverpool?

LaLaFlottes · 11/06/2021 12:12

Exciting times!! Congrats to all the DC on firming their places Smile

DD has firmed Sheffield Smile
She had offers from St Andrews, Sheffield, Leicester and UEA and I think always thought St A was her top choice. However after lots of reflection on the course structure and other aspects of the courses she felt that in fact Sheffield would suit her best.

She’s also keen (at the moment) to intercalate and the options at Sheffield sound exciting - or you can go elsewhere - so loads of choice. Also lots of choice for electives.

It’s so exciting - just hoping for the grades now!!

opoponax · 11/06/2021 12:51

Congratulations to all those firming. DS has firmed Newcastle. It was always his favourite. We finally got to visit last week in glorious sunshine and he loved it and the final decision was made.

Iamsodonewith2020 · 15/06/2021 10:21

Good luck everyone and well done. My DC is bowing out after no offers. This year has been so stressful for them they are not prepared to endure another year of it. So sad as in any otheryear they would have sailed through.

emummy · 15/06/2021 11:22

So sorry @Iamsodonewith2020. I hope they manage to find an alternative path that makes them happy and that they recover from all the stress. It's been so horrible, fingers crossed for a nice relaxing summer for you all.

opoponax · 15/06/2021 12:04

It has been such a stressful year @Iamsodonewith2020 and I can understand your DC not wanting to go through it again. Wishing them all the very best with their future path.

MaddieElla · 15/06/2021 15:33

I am so sorry @Iamsodonewith2020

I am positive any other year would have had a different outcome. Sad

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SATSmadness · 15/06/2021 16:45

@Iamsodonewith2020 Flowers I think I know how you may be feeling.

My dd too has ended up with no offers after interview, just a bucket load of amazed pity from school and her peers, which I think is hurting every bit as much as the 4 rejections . If she'd started off as chancing it a bit applying for medicine she wouldn't be so down but having jumped through every hoop along the way (i.e. excellent GCSE's, all sorts of extra curricular competitions etc during her time at school, UCAT score >3,000, great BMAT score and predicted all A*s) she doesn't quite know how to feel about the whole process and the outcome for her this year.

Millylovespuddles link to the article about QUB stats and the Guardian article about the situation this year haven't helped lift her mood either.

Monkey2001 · 15/06/2021 17:40

Sorry to hear that @Iamsodonewith2020. If they really don't think they can face a gap year, I hope they have an alternative they can throw their heart into.

Actually, as someone with a DC who was always top of his year, golds in various olympiads, great UCAT and BMAT, hospital work experience and loads of volunteering, I know there are always really great candidates who get no offers. This year has been extra tough, but in any year it is likely that some from a big group like this would not have got in first time. If they can step back and see that a year is not long in the context, it is a really good idea to encourage them to keep that door open.

MaddieElla · 15/06/2021 19:29

I would support embracing another profession if they don't want the agony of this year again.

If my DD had received no offers this year she would absolutely have gone for the Mpharm degree at Nottingham which she had an offer for last December. She was always a bit put out when people dismissed it as inferior to medicine and a cop out. It's drummed into them that if they've got any sense they should have a gap year and reapply, which is the right decision for some but not others.

She believed both careers would have had a brilliant outcome for her; she enjoys working with patients in the pharmacy and would have been happy in that environment. Yes medicine may mean more variety in what it leads to, but there are many other worthwhile careers in medicine and pharmacists are extremely knowledgeable people and definitely under valued as a profession.

I'm sure your DC has ideas ready for their next step @Iamsodonewith2020, and it always works out for the best. Smile

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opoponax · 15/06/2021 19:37

I think it's true that DC with excellent academics and strong volunteering do miss out every year as that profile is pretty much the norm for Medicine. Also, as interviews usually play a significant part in the final decision, the DC need to be able to excel in those, irrespective of how strong they are academically. It would seem that the bar has been higher this year than most though. And not just for Medicine. Hearing so many stories of DC missing out on sought after courses. One friend's non-medic DC with 11 9s (or equivalent) at GCSE and 4 A * predictions for A levels, national sporting achievements and great extra-curriculars/work experience rejected from Durham as they had 'stronger candidates'. Hard to see how really.

bimkom · 15/06/2021 20:55

@Iamsodonewith2020 I am really sorry to hear that. Is there something else that is exciting your DC? eg a biochem or biomed degree that he will be taking?

Sunbelievable · 15/06/2021 21:44

@Iamsodonewith2020 unless your DC is really really certain about this, please don't let them start another degree. It is so much harder doing medicine as a post graduate.

Could they take a gap year or two even? Some space?

Iamsodonewith2020 · 15/06/2021 21:49

Sun believable we have had long discussions about this but they will not budge. They are just desperate to go to university in September and get on with life🤷‍♀️

Powergower · 16/06/2021 10:38

Lovely to hear about everyone firming choices. What a year! Ds has also firmed and we are planning on a little trip to see the uni at some point. I am shocked at the stats showing how few offers there were this year. I didn't expect it to be as low as that! I feel so sad for the hundreds of amazing candidates who missed out this year. Ds is now finally relaxing after what he calls the worst year ever. He still has some small panicky moments about grades in August but is very pragmatic and knows what's done is now done.

Monkey2001 · 16/06/2021 13:34

@MaddieElla it is "horses for courses". I hope nobody here sees an absolute higherarchy of degrees.

My DS had no interest in being a pharmacist, so although that is a great career if it is what you want to do, if you want to be a doctor, three is no point in doing a pharmacy degree. I had a friend who applied to medicine and music courses many years ago as she did not know whether she wanted to be a doctor or a professional musician. She got offered for both and chose music. Too many people who don't get in first time are encouraged into Biomed with a plan for graduate medicine. That is more expensive, my ore competitive and takes longer than a gap year and re-applying. Ecolier on The Student Room says that if you are considering medicine or something else, choose something else, but if you still want to do medicine it really is best not to do another degree first.

bimkom · 16/06/2021 15:10

@Monkey2001 - did you see the young (man, I think) on TSR who got a number of offers, but having thought about it deeply has decided that actually it is not what he wanted to do, and is turning them down. Takes a lot of courage to do that, especially given that his parents were clearly very keen on medicine. Sounds like your friend. Whereas we have a family friend (friend of my DH) who was in a similar situation, only he didn't feel able to say to his father (around 30-40 years ago now, I would guess) that he didn't want to be a doctor, so he went through the full course, but finally decided to live his own life and go and work in computers, which is what had always interested him. Been out of medicine now for at least 20 years, probably longer. But if your heart is set on being a doctor, which my DS's is (much to my bafflement, with no medics in the family and having done everything I could do dissuade him) nothing else it seems will do. I am still worried about the burnout (see eg yesterday's Times) - I made DS read Adam Kay's book as soon as I could, so at least he is going in with his eyes as open as I can make them. Being the intrinsic pessimist that I am, I made sure he was aware of how many fantastic candidates didn't get in first time even pre-Covid (lots of testimonies on TSR, not to mention your very own DS1), so we were I think somewhat psychologically prepared for a second run if needed even before the pandemic hit (one of the many reasons I also pushed him to apply for a deferred place, meaning that a second run would not seem so devastating as he has plans already for a gap year). As it has happened, assuming the grades go as we hope in August, we won't need the gap for that reason (although I still think a gap year, when you are facing seven super intensive years before you can next even contemplate stepping off the treadmill for a bit, is actually a really good idea, if you can afford it/there are jobs available). But it may be in some cases that actually, when they look back, they will see it as a bullet dodged, and if not there still is the (much more difficult and expensive) graduate route. So long as Iamsodonewith2020 's DS had done a lot of thinking about it, and is fully aware of the unlikelihood of graduate medicine, they may well be making the right choice for them. It might even be that in many years time they will thank the pandemic for putting them on a different path when in another year they might have sailed into the wrong career, hard as it may be to see that now.

chopc · 16/06/2021 15:39

@bimkom a lot of my medical colleague did a 6 month to a year's stint in Australia in between their house jobs (now foundation training) and starting specialist training. So effectively earning money doing something they love without any pressure in a place which is less demanding on the medical profession than UK.

The aim should be to eventually work less than full time in a speciality you not only love but will give you the lifestyle you want as well as the work life balance. This way you can reduce the chance of burn out

Card1gan · 16/06/2021 19:18

We're in Wales so DD has had her provisional A-level results today. She has got what she needs - yippee!!! So relieved and excited for her after all her hard work and commitment. Good luck to fellow Welshies receiving their provisional results over the next few weeks and to everyone else on August 10th.

opoponax · 16/06/2021 20:40

Congratulations to your DD @Card1gan. It's fantastic that your DD can relax and enjoy a carefree summer knowing that it's all certain now.

MaddieElla · 17/06/2021 08:50

Amazing news! What a summer she'll have now. 😊

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