Another path to greatness - part III

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Here is the new thread

Funnily enough I think our generation has little to credit itself for on male/ female relations. The younger generation seem far more dignified on the whole, and far more moralistic. Which is why I hold back from the type of preaching that we see here.

Well I was surprised jano69 but the linking to his profile wasn't fair, so I'm glad that MN removed the post, serious or not.

And who cares what went on the City in the Eighties? What is the relevance of that to the price of fish?

We are not able to visit Durham and he needs to make a decision on this and other unis quite soon, even if he is going to try and defer. I was just trying to find a video tour of a room up there to get an idea, given that room options at LSE are now very limited thanks to their delayed offers this year and, for UCL, it seems you can’t specify an accommodation block you just get what you’re given in July.

He was very easy to find as his name was so unique - took me less than a minute to find him.

Surprised he hadn't taken steps to remove it himself, especially as he's clearly doing well in his legal career.

Oh my goodness the boob bit is eight or so minutes in. It really is not an issue. Come on quest1on!

The relevance to ingrained City behaviour in the eighties/ ninetiew is that heaps of fathers of sons at top unis will almost certainly have been those men in the City in the eighties/ nineties who thought nothing of inappropriate comments or actions on a daily basis in the working life. So.... point the finger at them first perhaps?

He's on LinkedIn as so many lawyers are and probably he didn't think that a dumb video he made while high spirited in his first or second year at uni would cause a stir. In fact it can't have done, or he wouldn't be progressing. The problem lies less with the named individual than with uptight middle aged ladies who have a problem with youth, and the silliness associated with youth.

I don’t give a monkey’s about “fathers of sons at top unis” or father’s in general. A history of entitled male behaviour is hardly an excuse is it? “Oh never mind, good old Mungo, his father was one to watch back in the day.., “

Sorry, I’m not sure it was Mungo, but whatever his name was.

Yes learned behaviour means that the finger should be pointed at a previous generation, if one's reasonable.

Anyhow, I really can't see any evidence of sexual entitlement. I suspect you'd lose your day in court on that one quest1ion. The girl in question was beaming like a Cheshire cat, and seemed completely relaxed. You need to look at context and you almost certainly need to lighten up/ chill.

Or you can just call it out for what it is - a load of bollocks in any generation.

And please don’t tell me I need to chill.

You only come on here to tell people off and be all right on. You’re entitled to your take on life and I’m entitled to mine.

Agreed, question.

I appreciate your public-spirited offer to watch again, goodbye! Not remotely surprised by the idea that young men behaving like arses might well have fathers and grandfathers who have behaved similarly, or by the idea that some women on MN might be married to them? This kind of behaviour is all over - and the young women I know, not just the 'matrons', find it repellent. Why should women of any age put up with it?

It's certainly silly, I'll give you that.

I'm not in the least right on but nor am I massively uptight. There's a middle ground. Indeed it's arguable that those who fancy being right on would be exactly those who see male entitlement in a puerile video where in fact there is none. I think that would be the more right on person.

LoonvanBoon my good deed for the day :) Quite glad I didn't have to trawl though the full twenty plus minutes - result!

Do you know this young man or something, goodbye? One thing to say that in your view it's just silliness, another to be happily throwing around ageist, sexist insults to fellow posters in his defence. Not to mention reporting jan's post

Do you not teach in a co-ed school? Because I find it really odd that you're associating disapproval of casual sexism with being middle-aged. In my experience young women have way less tolerance of it, quite rightly, than my generation.

'Matrons' and 'uptight' - ffs!

No I've never heard of the young man in question. I simply find the idea of linking to his profile excessive and unfair.

I agree that the younger generation are less tolerant. Much less tolerant than I was that's for sure. What's uptight is to stamp on youthful silliness and to see male sexual entitlement everywhere including where women are clearly going along with a situation quite happily. The video would never have been published had the girl not been quite happy to take part. None of us knows who suggested that piece.

Reporting a post where a young man who none of us know has his LinkedIn profile linked to, to jeer at, for making a silly video aged 19? Definitely should have been removed. That was way more inappropriate than any single part of the video, even though the video was really bad.

It's not ageist to guess that parents on the Oxbridge/ post oxbride threads are in their forties/ fifties or sixties LoonvanBoon. I gave myself a fair spread there, to guard against ageism!

Reading back rather randomly here but I'm not clear what's sexist about saying that a poster making a complaint about sexist behaviour where there appears to be no sexist behaviour is overly uptight. Call sexist behaviour out where it exists, but not where it doesn't - that creates a whole different problem.

Apologies for bad typing - I'm typing with rubber gloves on while doing the washing up. On that basis, I'm not doing so badly.

Don't be disingenuous, goodbye - you were using words like 'matrons' in a clearly disparaging and dismissive way.

The sexist bit is the characterization of women as 'uptight' on the grounds that they have no patience or tolerance for jokes they see as sexist. By all means argue that something isn't sexist, but immediately responding with accusations of uprightness - ie it must be down to a woman's character flaw if she objects - is, I'd have thought, the absolutely classic sexist response. It's all a bit 'What's the matter, love, can't you take a joke?', don't you think?

What's really annoying me is that I want to watch the stupid video myself now - can't keep arguing about something I haven't even seen ...

I note you agree, goodbye, that the young generally don't have much tolerance for this sort of nonsense nowadays either. That's why I don't understand your claim that question's viewpoint showed the intolerance of a middle-aged woman towards the folly of youth, and why I thought there was a whiff of ageism there. If most young women would have no truck with boob jokes either, how is anyone's status as middle-aged or a 'matron' relevant to anything?