University 2020 :6: The one with the results at the end

[MillicentMartha]

Hopefully as the title suggests we will actually get up to results on this thread! Only 5 weeks to go.

Old thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/3918392-University-2020-5-Results-day-approaching-and-beyond?pg=40

That sounds right.So they can tell you were 14th but not who was 13th.

But if your subject is only being taken by 2 students in the school (true in the case of one of my DS's subjects), they can't tell you your rank because obviously that reveals the other's ranking.

Even if there are 3 students (true in the case of another of my DS's subjects ), they might argue that there is too much risk that telling you your ranking would make it too likely that you could deduce the rankings of others (eg by combining information with one other student).

@DadDadDad true, and I expect that in that circumstance they don't give ranking. But v v v few schools will be in that position. My eldest SFC had 1,800 in a year, 800 did maths.

True, but I suspect schools are a bit nervous about having to give rankings - once a few ask, you're inevitably going to have to tell everyone. Then students will start checking with each other and asking awkward questions - and unfortunately, there are probably a few parents who will consider legal action...

I think you're right. Ranking was a horrible process that I found v v difficult. But we had a spreadsheet thing with data and stuff to try and make it as scientific and not emotional. Was still horrible.

I wonder if schools will be prepared to ring Unis to plead for a student where they know the grade has been moderated from the CAG but the CAG would have got the student into the Uni?

Also, I wonder if the Unis might ring the schools in the case of a just missed offer OR if the Unis are not interested in this approach at all.

Oxford have said they will take that approach if necessary.

As stated above ranking can only refused to be given if by providing it it can identify other student's information.

Schools would be daft not to voluntarily give the CAG and rank that could be obtained by a SAR. Badly worded SARS could lead to schools havibg to provide all sorts of other information which could be quite onerous. Also if this takes too much time to get together it will be of no use for the purpose the student requires ie. to ascertain whether they feel there is a basis for appeal or to ascertain whether it is worth taking the exam. Ask informally just for those 2 items and I am sure they will say. If they won't just say you would rather not have to resort to a SAR.

Students will need to confirm that this information can be given to a parent if a parent requests it.

I'll be ringing for my students if needed. And hope DDs school will do the same.

DadDadDad students can ask all the awkward questions they like but as they can't be told by the school information specific to other student's they will get a generic response I would assume saying that over all the pieces of work used to assess your grade and rank that is where your work places you compared to others.
The exception may be is they truly do believe there has been bias in the decision making process or some obvious error.

Kingscote the insurance will not release the insurance place into clearing until the firm has either accepted the student or the student withdraws. Therefore the student in the example you mention if rejected by firm would get the insurance place as long as they met the conditions of the insurance offer

Can the teachers on here honestly, hand on heart, say that they didn’t consider the grades students needed to progress to uni when they made their ranking decisions between two students at very similar levels in the same grade group?

Surely the temptation to rank Joe who needs an AAA for Durham higher than Jane who needs ABB for Leeds must have been strong?

@Divoc2020 I can honestly say I didn't know what their offers were ! And when I did it I gave the grades and ranking based solely on the data. I knew a couple had Oxbridge offers and 2 had medic ones but I have no clue if they needed A* or A. They might hate me for it. But I'm hoping no grades will be changed as I was fair and think they class pretty closely followed previous years. Fingers crossed.

I think we have to assume teachers didn't know what individual students needed. Can I just ask something, my ds had 2 history tutors, prior to lockdown they were making noises as me that he wasn't putting in enough work etc and kept telling him he would 'fail' (later telling me that this was to get him to sort himself out!) He had endless problems getting homework in, but had scored a low B in pre lockdown mocks, he also got the NEA in which they were going on and on about prior to lockdown as the school imposed deadline was approaching to get it moderated etc. He also sat a scholarship exam for another university and scored very highly. Would the tutors be solely responsible for providing his grade? Would they look at anything other than his college work (they knew the results of the scholarship exam before lockdown which I suppose could be used to 'orove' that he's capable of a higher grade? Just very, very concerned as he had numerous run ins with one tutor.

Lightuptheroom

Any teachers over y12 and y13 for the subject in your case history would have input as would the Head of Department. The wouldn't be able to use his scholarship to form ranking at all as they need to be comparing the same data for all pupils taking that subject. It could however help inform their opinion, the same way that the way they engage in class discussions would , if there are a number of students who would otherwise rank equally as no equal rankings were allowed except if they were in one of those massive 6th forms in which case they could I understand rank them in blocks of 25=rankings

If all pupils had submitted their NEAs then it was highly likely they were used. DS handed his one in the week before lockdown and got sent his mark for that during lockdown.

@spababe several people on TSR who got odd IB results got their places confirmed after teachers/heads of sixth forms e-mailed their universities.

Thanks, there's only 4 of them in the group, and in his case head of department and head of college knew that he had applied for history. Hate this waiting, the scholarship gave him an unconditional insurance, but typically he's convinced that he wants the firm place more, not sure how likely they are to have put him near the top of the 4

Thanks @Monkey2001 that's very interesting to know.

In the case of my DS, the school DID know what graded they needed for Uni as they had a duty of care to advise them on UCAS offers and they each had one to one with the tutor on this point.

If there are only 4 taking the exam then n all likelihood he will get his CAG under the small cohort provision

All schools know their offers and grades needed as it is on their UCAS adviser track. However all teachers might not necessarily know but many do when it is their subject the student has applied for

@spababe I can see the offers the students I am responsible for have got. I have access to their UCAS and did advise on offers. But that was mostly before Xmas and a lot has happened between then and CAGs. I will be able to see their UCAS on Thursday too - but I won't because I'd like them to be first to know so will wait for them to tell me. 😊

Wish there were tiny cohorts for dgds A levels.(sigh) 90+biology 120+maths and 90+psychology. Can't imagine how many A there will be average 25% A-A and 87% A*-C in her school in the 4 years previous. Cohort 240 plus. This is where rankings dodgy. Easy to rank 5, 19, 15.

That's tiny Sost in the great scheme of things. Hills Road in Cambridge, along with the big sixth forms in Hampshire & Cornwall may have 1800-2500 in a year group. Try ranking 700 for maths or 600 for biology.

What does SAR mean?
So with small group subjects the rankings are now irrelevant?
So could my DD email her subject teachers tomorrow and ask for her CAGs (all 3 subjects are small groups) and they would have to give them to her - so she would effectively know her results now?