University 2020 :5: Results day approaching and beyond

[MillicentMartha]

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/3855474-University-2020-4-The-wait-for-grades-and-better-days-ahead?pg=40

Less than 3 months to go until we have a better idea what the future has in store for our DC. Let’s hope that even if most lectures are online that accommodation is open and they can move up, across or down to their university towns and start their student life.

We should have been in the middle of exams, instead we have this strange limbo of lockdown. It could have been worse, though.

*one student above another based simply on where they’d applied.

Completely agree with all your posts Oneteen. What a lot of flapping about not very much at all. Railingsohno has simply said the his or her HoD didn't mention destination and all those with angst about Oxbridge are thanking him or her. Honestly, piece of nonsense.

Millicent, your use of language can certainly be called hyperbolic, although Ironoaks seems to have left town. 'Disgusting'? 'Repugnant'? All anyone has said that if an applicant needs the benefit of a doubt, then their uni offer may swing it. The whole ranking thing is utter bollocks, given the dictat by Ofqual that teachers aren't allowed to declare a tie.

You enjoy a bit hyperbole yourself, goodbye. What’s the matter? Are you bored and looking for a fight?

@oneteen - YES!! The apprentice scores higher in the objective, measurable data. Therefore s/he ranks higher than the next student. It doesn’t matter what either are hoping or intending after they leave school.

I’m not a teacher, but there are many here who are, can you confirm does the DfE explicitly (or even Implicitly ) require schools to consider school leaver planned destinations in setting rankings?

I just know I could sleep at night... There is afterall just 1 percent in mock exams between these students they are both A* students... The fact that Ofqual has changed the ranking of one student based on historical results of the school is the wrong doing here not the teacher....

I don't need to be bored to point out an absurd level of angst about not very much Millicent. Although to be fair I am facing an enormous amount of pesto pasta washing up with dozens of plates, food processor bits and bobs etc with everyone else dispersed and me left to do it - or avoid it.

I mean come on errorofjudgment, as if!!!!

Sorry grading not ranking..

If Ofqual can't even recognise the concept of students of equal ability then they're hardly going to recognise the other real world reality of teachers trying to do their best by the largest number of students, are they?

The teacher in this scenario is trying to prevent a young adult losing their place due to a algorithm can't deal with every scenario... I'm pretty peed off with attitudes too... I don't need to be rightous...

No, but they’ve been sent strict guidance reminding them to make sure their judgments are objective and to refrain from bias and to put procedures in place to ensure they have considered how to guarantee this. Eg, on grounds of race, social background, character, appearance etc.

Yes Millicent. Those reminders will make the world of difference.

Have to agree with Millicent. I know I’ve posted this before but taking the O word out of it DS needs A*AA for his uni place and his teachers know that (non selective school with no oxbridge entrants). In one class he has one mate with a three C attainment offer because he is doing a less popular subject and one mate who didn’t apply this year because he s not sure what he wants to do. They are all similar ability. I would be horrified and shocked if DS was ranked higher because of his uni choices but also very sad if I thought a teacher had any thought for making a school look better in any part of this exercise. And anyway who s to say one of the other DC won’t be applying for a competetive graduate jobs in a few years time where they lost out due to the random B rather than an A on their CV. You are are valuing one persons Oxbridge place now over another’s potential future career

Hopefully this is all hypothetical as they will all get the grades but it is important

Oneteen, so you’d rather the Oxbridge student gets their possibly undeserved A* than the apprentice getting their deserved one? If you don’t think that will happen, then no need to be dishonest.

@goodbyestranger - I mean come on errorofjudgment, as if!!!!
Which part of my post are you referring to? The scenario as set out by @oneteen and defended by so many?
Or the question of whether this is what teachers are being told to do. If not, and you and others, still don’t understand that it’s wrong and unfair, then I really despair.

Still looking to fight, goodbye? Your washing up finished?

Whoops sorry lost internet so message didn’t post for a while and I see thread moved on! But you get the drift

@errorofjudgement, it really isn’t defended by many.

Wise words always welcome, Oratory.

No @MillicentMartha.. Both DC deserve the A*... The system is wrong so the teacher is trying to make it equal so one student doesn't lose out at the expense of a flawed algorithm...

Dishwasher on, dogs out for their wee, surfaces still to do - so half way there Millicent.

errorofjudgment my As if!!!! was in response to the idea that Oqual would suggest destination as a valid criterion for ranking.

@Oneteen

I just know I could sleep at night... There is afterall just 1 percent in mock exams between these students they are both A* students... The fact that Ofqual has changed the ranking of one student based on historical results of the school is the wrong doing here not the teacher....

But that’s your bias speaking where you value Oxbridge over an apprenticeship place. Who is to say one is more important than the other?

Anyway, we are to be objective and that’s all there is to it.

But oneteen, the apprentice deserves it more.

Also Millicent, this fight idea is a bit puerile.

Oratory1... I applaud you for expecting the school to be righteous at the expense of your child.... If they were all equal I see no need for the school to not offer each DC what they need after all they are equal..