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Anyone still waiting to hear from Durham?

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PortusCale · 11/02/2019 11:11

Just wondered if anyone else is waiting to hear from Durham for an offer for 2019 entry?

See that offer holder day bookings are now open and I understand college allocation has begun.

DS still waiting here, DS application went through in November.....does this mean a rejection will likely be on its way?

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CBear99 · 29/03/2019 13:42

MariaNovella perhaps but DD already thought of that and made sure to also study Economics A level to broaden her horizons.

MariaNovella · 29/03/2019 13:44

Then she probably won’t be over prepared for First Year!

Justanothermile · 29/03/2019 15:43

Cbear, DS genuinely hasn't found it to be an issue, going over some A Level work and cementing knowledge before getting more in depth. There's certainly been enough to challenge him academically. There maybe some A2 content, but there far more advanced work than there is A2.

Baytreemum · 29/03/2019 17:51

In answer to the query about govt requirements - the new 'Office for students' seems to oversee regulations which require universities to submit a widening access plan with, I think, year on year 'improvement' in the percentage intake of 'disadvantaged' students. The issue is however, the definition of disadvantage. Cambridge seems to be using a sham form of 'triangulation' where state school + relative school performance (which likely = the same measure) + postcode lottery are considered sufficient evidence of 'disadvantage'. This approach is unlikely to favour only the truly deserving. Some universities have lists of 'contextual' schools that include practically every state school in the country, even though 85% are apparently good or outstanding! I don't think there is anyone who would not wish to support and encourage genuinely disadvantaged applicants who need encouragement and a helping hand to succeed; the problem is arising when resentment and misunderstanding are resulting in the exclusion of those with proven evidence of ability, application and motivation. Reducing academic rigour is a poor path to follow, whether in the allocation of places, or during the pathway of learning at the universities themselves. Surely our academics must privately be expressing concerns?

Hollybollybingbong · 29/03/2019 19:02

Baytreemum, Cambridge hasn't dropped their grade requirements for any of their courses, they have just looked at more than GCSE results when selecting applicants.

I believe predicted grades for anyone accepted will have met or exceeded the requirements expected by all, I certainly haven't seen anything to the contrary so fail to see why you believe academic rigour is being reduced.

Needmoresleep · 29/03/2019 19:08

Baytree, a particular issue, if Universities are contextualising student applications, is what they do when a "disadvantaged" student arrives.

Whereas a strong A* applicant like CBear99's DD may worry that they arrive "overprepared" there may also be other students, admitted via a widening access plan, who through no fault of their own, arrive underprepared.

There seem to be three options: either the University provide additional support to those students, or they redesign their course to ensure it is not too challenging, or they apply "sink or swim".

The first option is presumably preferred, as the second implies diluting the status/rigour of the course, and the third is, at best, unkind. I hope that the Office for Students is thinking beyond intake, and perhaps is also looking at how many contextual students complete their courses. Observation suggests that the sink or swim approach happens, and that students from non traditional backgrounds can struggle as a result.

And CBear99, DS' experience was that there was a lot to stretch him beyond his course. His university seemed to recognise that first year compulsory courses for 200-300 were not always the most inspiring, and had a parallel voluntary series where PhD students, visiting academics and sometimes the students themselves, presented. Take up was relatively low but it worked for those who wanted to be stretched. DS was also engaged in the subject society and in his second year managed to wangle an invitation to a peer review group more normally meant for post graduates. That plus reading, discussion with friends and the odd public lecture mean that academic life at University went well beyond course content. Others chose, rather than to dig deeper into their subject, to engage in broader University activities such as sport, drama or music.

Baytreemum · 29/03/2019 19:41

Thanks needmoresleep and holly. Yes, personalised support will be needed to help the talented who need help to overcome their disadvantage; the question remains though - how to ensure that this help is given to those children truly in need? The present approach seems to advantage many more than the genuinely disadvantaged, and it is this issue which is causing concern. Selection for higher education on the basis of quotas is highly questionable and to hold back rather than inspire talented students is a great loss to all.

Coleoptera · 29/03/2019 21:41

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Bowchicawowow · 29/03/2019 21:48

Many congratulations. I hope your DT is very happy at Durham.

goodbyestranger · 29/03/2019 22:29

I'm seriously delighted for DT2 Coleoptera! What a denouement! Also, a very close friend of one of my DC was incredibly wary of sharing a first year room but he's remained the best of best friends with his roommate throughout his Durham years and now beyond. It can be a very positive thing, not a negative. I do hope he firms - not sure why. Best of luck with his decision anyhow.

goodbyestranger · 29/03/2019 22:31

Did you say he won an Oxbridge essay competition? If so, that's quite eye catching to admissions. Might well make the difference I'd have thought.

Wherenxt · 29/03/2019 22:36

It’s so hard on them. Daughter just rejected from Durham with 43 predicted points & all A* s at GCSEs . Not sure what else they can do. It has been a bit weird the admissions this year - don’t quite trust it.

Witchend · 29/03/2019 23:59

Well done DT2!

Dd1's just been at one of the offer days. She says that here's a lot of reduced offers, some substantially reduced which she does find off putting. Hers is the standard A A A (for maths) so she feels if she misses it, with there being a lot of lower offers there will be fewer places for people who have just missed.

I think Durham is trying a change with admissions, so may or may not be similar next year.

sendsummer · 30/03/2019 04:29

Great news for DT2. Hopefully it will give him back some zest for his future. DT1 can leave final decisions until results’ days A D1 in a humanity subject is a seriously impressive result from what I hear.

Durham does seem to be requiring more than excellent GCSEs /predicted grades and normal’ supracurricular activities this year of applicants from certain schools. It will lose some excellent self driven candidates but that is always the way when there is weight of applicant numbers and consideration of educational factors other than straightforward achievement.

PortusCale · 30/03/2019 05:35

Brilliant news and well done to DT2! Was thinking about you, hoping you’d hear by the end of the day. What a relief - but what a long wait. I wonder if Durham have been able to get all their responses out?

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Sunndowne · 30/03/2019 06:44

Congrats Cleopatra for DT2. Have been hovering. You need to call Durham about special issues - if he has SEN, they'll consider that with room .

Commiserations to whatnxt an cbears DDs. It's so tough for them. Gap years can be brilliant and so can other universities

MarchingFrogs · 30/03/2019 06:47

Congratulations to DT2, Coleoptera. Re visiting, has he had a look to see whether there ate still places available on the upcoming Discover Durham days?
www.dur.ac.uk/study/ug/visit/discoverdurham/

CBear99 · 30/03/2019 07:53

Coleoptera well done to your DT after such a long wait and Wherenxt I'm sorry to hear about your DD - it's really hard to understand all their reasoning as it seems so incredibly random. It's certainly a roller coaster experience I for one am very glad is over!!

Bowchicawowow · 30/03/2019 08:04

Could DT2 get some form of verification that he struggles sharing his space? I am sure that the university would then ensure he has his own room.

Tinseltrauma · 30/03/2019 08:06

Congratulations to DT2 - what a relief for you Coleoptera! Re the room allocation, I believe a detailed questionnaire is sent out over the summer to try and 'match' prospective roommates and this covers things like messiness/tidiness, waking time etc. However I agree it's also worth contacting admissions if there are special circumstances.
Commiserations to those who missed out, it does seem strange. However as with Oxbridge there are only so many places and as others have said, it does seem as though exam achievement isn't the only yardstick any more. I am sure DC will have a fantastic and rewarding time wherever they end up.

CadburysTastesVileNow · 30/03/2019 09:12

Oh, WELL DONE DT2.

And Coleoptera too

Commiserations to others. I can see no rhyme or reason to the process or decisions this year.

goodbyestranger · 30/03/2019 09:43

Coleoptera if I were you I'd go up with DT2 and stay overnight. Very happy to recommend cafes etc (Cafedral! It's fabulous!) and a good walking route to take in all the best bits of Durham and avoid the worst. Unless you veer out from the main area a bit it can feel claustrophobic but then I don't know if DT2 likes sports/ the outdoors. I sold Durham effectively to my (then) wayward DS2 by going for a weekend and very deliberately walking along the river while teams were rowing and then on up to the sports fields at Maiden Castle. We did shoot a glance at the History Dept from the outside but it was very much in passing.

zxcv123 · 30/03/2019 10:33

Re sharing a room in Durham - DS has similar SENs to your DT2 Coleopatra and before visiting I was convinced there was no way he could share a room.

In his college however, the shared rooms are absolutely vast, with high ceilings, large bay windows and a very homely feel. Much nicer than the anonymous modern single rooms. DS surprised me by saying he'd like to share and I can see there are potential benefits in terms of having a room-mate to help you find your way round & have someone to go to meals with when you are initially settling in.

The college said that every year a few people ask to swap rooms, having shared for a bit, and that's fine and they can accommodate it if people are unhappy.

Once DT2 has his college allocation, I agree with the others who've suggested he emails them regarding his accommodation needs before the rooms are allocated.

itsallsoobviousnow · 30/03/2019 10:43

Are many dc with recent offers still waiting for college allocations? I suppose Durham may have been waiting until 31 March when all offers made, before finalising those college allocations that they haven't done yet, so that they can balance whatever it is they balance when doing them (subject, presumably, and maybe other things like interests - I did read about it but it was some time ago and I have now forgotten!)?

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