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Applying for Uni 2019 entry Part 2, UCAS & offers

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Decorhate · 06/11/2018 19:54

Here we go!

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mumsiedarlingrevolta · 17/11/2018 21:47

@AtiaoftheJulii thanks!!
DH has just said
"I assume she wants the most expensive accommodation"
She so does...
Not sure if she gets her choice allocated early or goes in the pile on results day?

AtiaoftheJulii · 17/11/2018 22:39

It should all be explained on the uni accommodation pages? There seem to be several different methods in use across the country!

Monkey2001 · 17/11/2018 22:57

*mumsiedarlingrevolta" - ooh, exciting!

Decorhate - I think it should be OK, they only have 20 more places, so 256 instead of 236, which should not be enough to change the character of the course.

I got the impression that they were following the general move by med schools not to weight the PS too heavily as it gives an advantage to people with more support in writing it - there are various outfits offering to write or provide significant support in writing it for a fee.

Bristol are no longer looking at PS either - maybe because they were looking at all the PSs, not just the top 1,000, which was a massive workload.

orangejuicer · 18/11/2018 08:08

*madmum Bangor course is through partnership with Cardiff.

bigTillyMint · 18/11/2018 12:13

Congrats Aureaa
No news for DS (History) yet. And nothing from Durham yet either, though he is fully expecting it could be March!

Mumsie, phew! Where is it and what for?

Laniakea · 18/11/2018 13:39

mumsie that's brilliant!

PancakeMum6 · 18/11/2018 16:49

Wonderful news Aurea and mumsie!

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 18/11/2018 18:31

Thanks all!!! Wine

@AtiaoftheJulii I have been on their page and it looks like she can apply for her accommodation but she's just had an email to say not Confused

@bigTilltMint it's History and Politics-UEA Grin

@Laniakea and @PancakeMum6 thanks so much!!
DD may actually do better with the pressure off-I know I will!!

Fingers crossed for continued good news on this thread!!

minesawine · 18/11/2018 20:44

Hello. I have loads of stupid questions, so I hope you can help me.

  1. My DS is expecting BBB and wants to apply to 3 Russell Group and just 2 other uni's. It is unlikely he will get A's so I said just 1 RG and 4 others, but he refuses. Will he get an instant rejection from the RG and if so can he then apply for other uni's. I am not sure how it works.
  1. Is there a guide on the application process. I don't find the UCAS website helpful.
  1. What is an unconditional offer
  1. Can the uni change/lower the grade if it is a firm offer
  1. If I wait until after his mocks in December, will all the good places be taken by then
  1. Can you get into a RG uni during clearing or will all the places have been offered

Sorry this is the first time on my family and I really don't understand the process. I am petrified we will do something wrong. Thanks

Monkey2001 · 18/11/2018 21:00

1 - Depends on the course and the uni. For example, I know that at Newcastle, anybody applying for Biomedical Sciences with predictions of at least CCC will get an offer of AAB, ABB if firm. What is his subject?

2 - Don't know! There is a little video on UCAS site - was that any good?

3 - Unconditional offer - the offer does not depend on your grades

4 - Yes, they often offer lower grades if firm

5 - No! They have to give equal ops to all applicants to 15 Jan. He could put 1 RG for now and add the others after the results. It would not be a bad thing to get the UCAS admin out of the way before the mocks, leaving options open.

6 - YES!! Lots of RG in clearing for 2018 entry

PancakeMum6 · 18/11/2018 21:03

Okay, firstly - lots of non-RG unis ask for grades just as high as RG unis. They’re research intensive but it doesn’t always make them the best places to study in certain subjects. If you look up the courses he’s applying to (ie History at Lancaster etc) then a page like this one www.lancaster.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/history-ba-hons-v100/ should come up. All the uni websites will be formatted differently obviously but each subject they offer should have its own page. Then you need to scroll through that page looking for “entry requirements” - in this case History at Lancaster asks for AAB (note - not an RG university but asking for higher grades than quite a lot of RG universities do! An example of why the title means very little to undergraduates.)
Check your son’s courses entry requirements. It might be good to have 2 or 3 aspirational/top end of prediction (so in his case BBB) 1 or 2 in the middle (so maybe BBC) and then 1 a bit lower (so CCC or equivalent). Then when it comes to putting down a “firm” and “insurance” he can put a lower grade for if things go horribly wrong. Just make sure he’s applying to unis that ask for BBB or below really - it doesn’t matter whether they’re Russell group or not.

You can apply to up to 5 courses, and most people apply to all five at once but you can apply to less and add later. Has your DS got a UCAS login? He needs to sort this part out himself and on that it’s quite clear how to select the courses. The form is easy to follow - split into sections that you can check off when completed.

An unconditional offer is given out when no more grades need to be achieved - so it means rather than a university offering a place under the conditions that the pupil achieves BBB, they just say they’d like the pupil regardless of their grades. Some unis do lower the grades or make he offer unconditional if firmed and that will be stipulated in the conditions that come up on UCAS track when the offer is awarded, and sometimes via email/letter too. If a course isn’t massively competitive it’s also often quite likely that a student could get into a firm with grades lower than their offer on results at, but there’s no way of guaranteeing that.

It doesn’t matter when he applies - all applications are considered equally up until 15th January. Most people like to get it in before Christmas just so they’ve got places all sorted by January/February.

Lots of RG unis go into clearing, as do lots of other very good universities.

It shouldn’t be you doing the whole process - get him on it. He needs to take responsibility and seek guidance from his school!! I barely saw DD’s application before it was sent off. I know it’s stressful but they’re 17/18 and the school will have the information regarding applying if he just seeks it out.

Dustylaw · 18/11/2018 21:20

www.ucas.com/advisers/offer-rate

This is a link which should take you to the UCAS offer rate calculator. Feed in your A levels, predicted grades, degree subject and university and it will assess your chances based on past data. Obviously rough and ready but it gives an idea. Not all RG universities are the same standard in terms of entry levels required or achieved (and there can be a big difference between those!) and it also massively depends on what you want to study and what your A levels are. Have a play with it but also with BBB predicted the emphasis can still be on choosing where you (ie your DS) actually wants to go. If he has his heart set on particular universities then just suggest he uses this tool to give him a spread of aspirational, likely and safe choices. But honestly, no
point putting down a choice he actively doesn’t want. Frankly, that can end up making it difficult to use Clearing (eg if he has already committed to an offer he doesn’t want).

TheFrendo · 18/11/2018 21:35

Dustylaw,
I could not get your link to work. Hopefully this one is right..
www.ucas.com/advisers/offer-rate-calculator/

minesawine · 18/11/2018 22:02

Thank you everyone. It is not just me working through the application process, we are doing it together. And applying for degree apprenticeships at the same time, so we are splitting the workload, but are equally confused.

His school have not been that helpful, a leaflet was given out but it was not clear. He has signed up on the UCAS website and finished his personal statement. Everything is ready to go but I didn't want him to waste his choices on uni's that he wont get into. I actually think there are lots of uni's that look great and I am not bothered about RG at all, it is him who says he want to try even though he wont get A* or A. He wants to do Economics and Business Management and there are some very good courses out there.

My worry was that I had heard that if you don't get one of your 5 choices, you cannot replace the uni with another choice but had to wait until clearing. Reading that many of you are getting offers made already me more worried that there wouldn't be places left.

Thanks for the links as well

PancakeMum6 · 18/11/2018 22:37

If you get rejected you can’t replace a uni, but if you get rejected from all five or are unhappy with the offers you’re holding you can reject them all and there is something called “ucas extra” where you can add one more choice later in the application process (March-July I believe). But it’s a risk as you can only hold one offer at a time in extra and running out of places could become a factor because they will prioritise people who applied before 15th January.

As long as your DS gets his application in by 15th January nowhere will run out of places.

The key is probably to put a few realistic in and a few aspirational - if he really wants to put down one or two unis asking even for AAB/ABB then I’d let him, as long as he has safe options that he likes equally.

PancakeMum6 · 18/11/2018 22:55

Also - when I said there are lots of good non-RG unis, I meant there are plenty of RG unis that are actually regarded more highly than some in the RG, hence why it’s a totally meaningless tag!

While I firmly believe rankings should be taken with a pinch of salt -
www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings
Loughborough (7th), Lancaster (8th), Bath (11th), UEA (14th), Surrey (19th) are all non-RG. Meanwhile there are RG unis ranked at 37th, 38th and 39th.

PancakeMum6 · 18/11/2018 22:55

Sorry I meant plenty of non-RG unis regraded more highly than RG. Phone typing never ends well...

twosoups1972 · 18/11/2018 23:02

My dd is still mulling over courses. She was going to apply for either English Lit + Philosophy or Linguistics + Philisophy but now she thinks that English Language is similar to Linguistics so will apply for Lit + Lang and forget the Philosophy. She thinks the Philosophy sounds very interesting but she's struggling to write the Philosophy part of the PS. Applying for Lit + Lang makes it much more straightforward.

I imagine they can ask to change course once accepted at a uni?

TheFrendo · 18/11/2018 23:37

twosoups1972,

If she wants to do philosophy, she should do philosophy.

You can often change,.

Piggywaspushed · 19/11/2018 07:04

twosuops , does she do philosophy A Level? If not, I can certainly imagine a philosophy PS would be one of the trickier ones to write. If she does, hopefully, she could aks her teacher?

Joint degrees are definitely pretty awakward when it comes to the PS, unless they are very strongly connected subjects. I think sometimes students apply for jpint honours, knowing nothing about one fot he two subjects, so tending to emphasise the one they feel they know about : I have seen an example recently for a politics and economics one where the student had no experience of economics and ,therefore , did not mention it at all.

I agree you definitely should not apply for a sunbject just because it is easier to write a PS for - unless, of course, that very nebulous nature has now made her realise the subject isn't for her.

Monkey2001 · 19/11/2018 08:21

On the joint subjects, even when I was at university, a lot of courses allowed you to do some modules in something else and I think that has grown so that it is very common to do modules in other subjects. You can probably find out for the courses she is interested in whether she would be able to add philosophy modules later.

I agree with the others that she should apply for what she thinks she will enjoy, but that could be lang/lit with philosophy added in later.

howabout · 19/11/2018 08:41

Highly recommend Scottish Unis for joint subjects. 4 year courses give much more scope and all of the course designs are modular. Glasgow would be my top pick for Social Science (alma mater bias) but Edinburgh probably slight edge for Arts. Glasgow prospectus also has a good design layout for exploring joint combinations.

I have a joint degree from before the era of PS. Would say they work best when interest in both subjects is linked by a common thread as opposed to being unable to choose between 2 unrelated options.

Piggywaspushed · 19/11/2018 10:57

Definitley. A PS for politics and IR, for example, was a doddle , really.

ifonly4 · 19/11/2018 11:19

DD has applied to two Scottish unis.

The first you take your main for two years, alongside two other subjects. You can continue with your main for the last two years, or transfer to one of your other subjects providing there's space and you've worked hard on those subjects.

The second uni, you study your main, chose other linked main from five offered and take two other subjects from across the university. DD wants to do sustainable development and she she can chose geography, politics, sociology, IR and social anthropology as her other main. Choosing her two other subjects, I think she'll look at geography, sociology, philosophy and music. As the course goes on you concentrate more on your original main.

twosoups1972 · 19/11/2018 12:16

I agree you definitely should not apply for a sunbject just because it is easier to write a PS for - unless, of course, that very nebulous nature has now made her realise the subject isn't for her

She's not doing Philosophy A Level, the only interaction she's had with it has been some talks at various uni open days.

She did think about Scottish unis but they are so far from home! We live in London. I will mention again to her though.