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Exeter offers : incompetent or arrogant?

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TalkinPeace · 25/03/2016 22:42

DD submitted her form last October
Exeter have still not had the courtesy to send an offer (the other four Unis all have)
when phoned they said

  • no offers have been issued (bollocks as DDs friends have theirs)
  • offers will be made by end of December (bollocks as its now late march)
  • offers will be made right after the UCAS cut off date (bollocks as it was in January)
  • offers will be made by the end of March ........

Exeter are arrogant liars
the word needs to go round

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TalkinPeace · 08/04/2016 22:18

Sunshower
What on earth makes you think I'm being snide about the new building?
Its amazing
But the course DD has been offered is being reconfigured to go with it
so its very hard to assess how well it matches what she wanted to study when she applied for the other course.

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LittlehamHums · 08/04/2016 22:18

I knew it! Grin Thanks Exeter. £10 for me. Off to buy a lottery ticket next.

Glad your dd got some news.

Coconutty · 08/04/2016 22:21

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theclick · 08/04/2016 22:38

God. Never once did my parents chase any of my shortlist universities, even though I did consult them as to my choices. If I'd needed to I would have done it myself - I don't think you should for her. Let her do it herself, you can always guide her behind the scenes.

Kaddy · 08/04/2016 22:48

SunShower How on earth do you get a snide'y vibe from the OPs comments on the new building? Shock. Hmm What a weird thing to have thought.

OP, that course looks amazing as does the new building but it's quite different to her original choice. According to Student Room It looks like Exeter has offered NatSci to at least of few other students who had applied for bioscience. It looks like other applicants were told the bioscience course was full three weeks ago Shock I guess if they had loads of great applicants for the bioscience course they may have creamed of the more versatile science applicants for the NatSci course.

HocusUcas · 09/04/2016 00:47

Will she take the place Talkin?
Which was her favourite / top choice university ?

Anyway - congratulations on being offered the place, even if it needs some thinking about . At least she can get down to firming places and accommodation now. That must be a good thing.

Coconutty · 09/04/2016 07:02

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lljkk · 09/04/2016 10:18

Ah... Professor friend described this as "Running around to catch the applies falling from the tree"... the biology dept. biomedical course does this to the No-offers medical school applicants.

Sounds like original was a highly desirable course.

TalkinPeace · 09/04/2016 15:49

lljkk
"Running around to catch the applies falling from the tree"
Grin
It would be if the admissions at Exeter were other than the centralised system so I doubt that the Biosciences department have even seen her details.

We've looked at the course modules and its pretty unlikely that she'll take it - unless the offer is stupidly low
so it looks like the oop north version of Winchester (rather than the South west version of Winchester) wins out Smile

theclick
I phoned them twice in 6 months - bearing in mind that the other 4 offers were all in many, many months ago. We have lots else going on so it was part of the deal that I took that bit of stress for her. I call it being there when needed.

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lljkk · 09/04/2016 19:11

It's centralised, TIP, ... sheesh, you're the one who started thread talking about algorithms, this is part of the pathways they plot out for admissions strategy. They are aiming to catch your apple who fell from the tree in a different net.

TalkinPeace · 09/04/2016 22:54

lljkk
But that is the whole point.

I started this thread because I could not make head nor tail of why Exeter was taking so long - when its direct "world top 200" competitors had made their minds up months ago.

Now, after a 6 month delay, they have offered DD a course that has less than 20% overlap with the course she applied for.

There is "apple falls from the tree" and "scrabbling around to find places for those who might be good for the uni"

If we were back in the days of grants it would make a bit of sense
but bearing in mind that she'll end Uni with around £50k of debt, trying to shoehorn her (and others) into the wrong course just seems daft.

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ljny · 10/04/2016 00:33

So glad DD finally got a decision out of them!

Curious how long it is they've known the course she applied for was full.

Do they just keep applicants hanging around for weeks hoping to palm them off on another course? Seems most unfair.

Why can't they let applicants know - your course is full, do you want us to notify UCAS or prefer to wait to see if we can offer you an alternate course?

sendsummer · 10/04/2016 07:52

Like others on this thread I am a tad over curious about the fate of your DD 'TalkinPeace so I followed your link and looked at the course modules.
I suspect that they are hoping to attract strong mathematicians to the Natural Sciences to encourage specialisation into bioinformatics. The course looks rather attractive from that POV (if well taught). I think a student with a strong interest in biosciences who combined skill acquisition of computing for bioinformatics analysis plus experimental skills would be in a strong position for future research studentships and then careers in both academia and industry.

lljkk · 10/04/2016 08:34

Bio-informatics, as a career area, is set to hugely explode, imho.

sendsummer · 10/04/2016 08:46

lljkk it already has and is a bottleneck for the research of many bioscience / genetic departments in all but a few institutions.

voilets · 10/04/2016 09:02

I do understand how frustrating it must have been to wait. I'm sure also that unis have a lot to calculate when they send out offers so it takes time.

We waited to end of Feb last year for final offer and that was tricky enough.

Mums and DC have a lot invested in their uni place - getting it right is crucial for future prospects. Waiting is difficult but probably just necessary - glad your DD waited.

Good luck to DD

Needmoresleep · 10/04/2016 10:16

Interesting to see the return of "Tesco substitutions". Quite a lot seemed to be reported in the year that DS was applying, often from Durham. Warwick offered DS Finance and Accounting instead of Economics, despite a PS emphasising his interest in Economics, and it seems as if some Universities will offer medics something like Pharmacy or biochem if they don't offer the medicine place. I enjoy threads detailing Tesco's more bizarre substitutions. Can Higher Education match them?

titchy · 10/04/2016 11:21

Even where admissions decisions are centralised, a not-insignificant proportion of applications end up being forwarded to the department for a decision. It's about 20% at our place.

Obviously TiP's dd was in the reject pile after the first sift, but admissions were told to hang on to any otherwise strong applications with a view to offering NatSci as presumably it was looking like there weren't enough good quality applicants for this new course. Being new there was no previous data to indicate how many offers needs to be made to fill the course.

Agree re Bioinformatics btw.

Kaddy · 10/04/2016 11:59

TiPs DD may have been in the 'we definitely want her but she looks SO GOOD we think she will reject us and go for Oxbridge plus a lower

Offer insurance choice. How about offering her a higher tariff course with a special lower offer to tempt her. We are short of excellent all-round candidates for the NatSci course so let's offer her that'

It 'could' be tactical offer making rather that her DD being on the reject pile.

I bet Exeter are trying to ramp up the attractiveness of their NatSci course and want the very best students.

See, I can put a positive slant on anything

Smile
ljny · 10/04/2016 12:41

I enjoy threads detailing Tesco's more bizarre substitutions. Can Higher Education match them?

Then why criticise students for being 'consumerist'?

Coconutty · 10/04/2016 13:13

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Sunshowercap · 10/04/2016 13:38

A former Admissions Tutor here (although in the humanities). Another way of looking at it is that the DD in question didn't have the profile/predictions required' or didn't stand up to the competition for this particular course. Normally, an outright reject; however, in my Department, we'd not want to lose a potentially talented student, so might offer for a less sought-after or hard to get into course.

It's also a reasonable assumption to make that an applicant may be drawn to a particular university, as much as a specific course at that university. So it might be that a university will offer a cognate course because they are offering the applicant a chance to study at that university.

It's up to the candidate to accept or reject whatever offer they are made by a university. Some applicants want to study at the University of X in a broad area, so it's a standard recruitment practice.

I don't think there's been any arrogance or lying on Exeter's part. The OP's DD didn't have what they wanted for the course she applied for. They've offered her a reasonable alternative, in case she's one of those applicants with her heart set on Exeter. If she's not, that's not Exeter's problem or fault. Neither the applicant nor Exeter has lost anything here.

There has been considerable arrogance by the OP however. I wonder if she'd accuse a university admissions unit in person, without the cover of anonymity, of being arrogant liars?

quit2dis · 10/04/2016 14:10

Now, after a 6 month delay, they have offered DD a course that has less than 20% overlap with the course she applied for.

After 6 months of offering to candidates who were better qualified, they found they didn't have a place for your DD but made an effort to offer her a related course. Would she really have preferred a straight rejection?

bruffin · 10/04/2016 14:24

Its nonsense that top 200 competitors are making quick offers, as pointed out many times on this thread other top unis make some offers straight away and leave others waiting. Ds friend got an offer within a week from durham then had to wait many months for Imperiel. Ds had to wait until march / april for Durham , loughborough. He got offered a different course from Bristol.

whatwouldrondo · 10/04/2016 14:43

I suspect that Exeter get a higher proportion of students who want Exeter as much as the course so feel they can commoditise students with buy one, get a different one free offers. But there are many other Nat Sci courses and they offer something significantly different to biosciences in terms of breadth and choice. Surely most students who applied for biosciences, and therefore took a conscious choice not to apply to the more established and competitive Nat Sci courses at Cambridge and in London is not going to change their mind just to be beside the sea. If they want to attract more serious scientists it is an odd way to go about it.

In any case Winchester oop north is also very nice if not as popular with those who went to Salcombe sailing when they were little and want to be with their friends.