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Guest post: "As sex workers, our lives depend on decriminalisation"

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JosephineMumsnet · 07/07/2016 12:19

I was 19 years old when I made the decision to sell sex. An unorthodox choice, certainly, but one which helped me get through university without crippling debt, and later, a choice which would allow me to return to university as a single parent and complete my second degree. Please don't fall into the trap of assuming that because I'm a white, middle-class, educated woman I can't possibly understand the abject misery that is sometimes seen in our industry. I stood on Burlington Road in Dublin in the dead of winter, often drunk or out of my head on cocaine, or both, selling sex at £30 a time. That's not privileged. Now, with over 20 years behind me, I can finally put that experience to use, and educate people about the realities of our industry, and what would make us safer.

As the debate around the sex industry gathers steam, there are two schools of thought. Punish the punters by making it illegal to purchase sex, or decriminalise the laws around sex work. Let's look at both.

The law that criminalises the punter was introduced in Sweden in 1999 and has been an abject failure. Its aim was to reduce prostitution by reducing 'demand', but the Swedish government admits there has been no change to the number of buyers, or sellers. So what has changed? Violence against sex workers has increased sharply, with police targeting their homes to arrest buyers, often resulting in their being made homeless. The most vulnerable sex workers on the streets cannot be reached by outreach services, to facilitate condom distribution or needle exchange, as they need to work away from police detection. Sex workers are refusing to report violence to police, as they know they place themselves at risk from the very people supposed to protect them. Stigma has increased, with sex workers in both Sweden and Norway reporting having their children removed, and deportation of migrant sex workers is rife.

One of the most infuriating strands to the current feminist discourse around sex work is the assertion that we are abused, or even raped, every time we sell sex. That statement is injurious and grossly insulting to those who have survived abuse and rape, and it also strips sex workers of our agency. As much as we campaign for the right to say 'yes', we absolutely reserve the right to say 'no'. I detest the use of the word 'empowerment' in any debate on sex work. My job is no more empowering than anyone else's; it allows me to support my family and pay my bills. But as a community, there is no doubt that we are more empowered to say 'no' when we are permitted to work together for safety.

Under current legislation, and even more so under the Swedish model, sex workers are not permitted to work more than one to a premises. If I ask a friend to share an apartment with me so I feel safer in accepting visiting clients, we can be arrested and charged with 'pimping' from each other. That practice is commonplace. As cash, mobile phones and laptops are often removed as 'evidence', the women concerned are left with nothing but a criminal record, simply for wishing to stay safe.

So what is decriminalisation? Not to be confused with legalisation, it refers to the removal of all criminal prohibitions and penalties on sex work. In doing so, it protects the human rights of sex workers, as acknowledged by WHO, UNAIDS, The Lancet and more recently, Amnesty International.

Decriminalisation allows us to work together for safety, which is crucial. Decriminalisation also makes it easier to access justice and support services, and facilitates a better response to true exploitation in the industry. When the police work with us, not against us, we are best placed to identify and report others in danger.

On June 1 2015, the Northern Irish Assembly made it illegal to purchase sex. I have launched a High Court challenge to that law and will take it to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary. You may not like or be comfortable with the exchange of sex for money and that's fine - that's not what this debate is about. It's about our right to safety in the workplace. 154 sex workers have been murdered since 1990. We ask for your support for decriminalisation. Our lives depend on it.

Read Kat Banyard's post here.

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TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 16:21

The same message over and over from punter advocates
men need to have sex, women are desperate for cash, we like to pretend it is a good option to enable men to buy sex and doesn't cause long term psychological damage to women

Xenophile · 11/07/2016 17:04

I'm sure all the research that suggests that prostituted women have higher rates of PTSS and other trauma reactions is just more bunkum, though, eh Posie?

There's cognitive dissonance and there's a cognitive dissonance.

DetestableHerytike · 11/07/2016 17:13

Gaye, your own post conveys that you believe it is desperate women who make a decision to do this work.

Why aren't you advocating to support women not to reach such a state of desperation? Do you also support selling organs as it's a way for desperately poor people to get some money?

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 17:39

How about womb rental? How much is that worth?

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 17:39

Xeno.... yes prostitution survivors are clearly all liars....

MatthiasLehmann · 11/07/2016 17:41

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. ... This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 17:44

"An MRA is a guy that thinks he can tell women what to do which normally includes placing men in the centre of everything" me/today

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 17:46

Matthias you have a very similar style to the chap on twitter who advocates for paedophiles. Making prostitution your life's academic work is rather bizarre. . Wasn't there anything worthwhile you could have done with your time?

tangoman · 11/07/2016 17:48

Posie
I pointed out in my PM to you about your post (Sat 09-Jul-16 15:49:28) you claimed your facts about the average age of starting prostitution came from “the government site”. I pointed out that your “facts” ( your post Friday 8thJuly 17:51:13 )were word for word the same as from the abolitionist site " Womans National Commission" website on Trafficking and prostitution (wnc.equalities.gov.uk/work-of-the-wnc/violence-against-women/trafficking-and-prostitution.html) and so it seems NOT as you claim from "A Government site".

A common issue using abolitionist websites as a source of your information is that they often copy and paste from each other, and often fail to give the source of their information-and if they do it is often wrong or a secondary source. It is important to go back to the original source of information to check that it actually says what you are claiming.
So for instance the “Womans National Commission website” also claims “80,000 women work in ‘on-street’ prostitution in the UK.” Precisely the same claim (including the average age of entry being 12 is made in “ End Violence against women: Trafficking and prostitution” (www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/trafficking-and-prostitution).

And the source is given as the Home office document “Paying the Price”. Nowhere in that document does the “average of entry being 12 appear”, but also the 80,000 figure (often quoted but not sourced comes from a study by Kinnel) refers to England and Wales (so not the UK), to women and transgender and male prostitutes (so not just women) and is street and indoor workers so not just street as these websites claim.

Could hardly be more wrong.

It may seem pedantic to ask that you use facts in your arguments, you might consider this to be “boring, pointless, MRA style” but some consider the truth to be important.

BeyondBeyondBeyondBeyondBeyond · 11/07/2016 17:49

And as I said, vested interest.

BeyondBeyondBeyondBeyondBeyond · 11/07/2016 17:50

Not you tango, your interest has other names

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 17:51

Tangoman....

You give me the creeps, this is quite difficult through an anonymous forum, but I wouldn't be surprised if we found out that in RL you were a brothel owner or something as equally seedy.

Just so you know I don't read anything you post. HTH

GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 17:54

DetestableHerytike

Gaye, your own post conveys that you believe it is desperate women who make a decision to do this work.

No, my own post conveys that I believe some women sell sex out of desperation.

Other women have other reasons and speak more accurately for themselves.

Why aren't you advocating to support women not to reach such a state of desperation?

Because doing so has been a total waste of my time and energy for decades and achieved nothing at all expect being ripped off and twisted by abolitionists from time to time. While the world in general actually got unthinkably worse anyway.

Date locked 2001 by accident there are also corroborative traces online:
mymythbuster.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/hooker.pdf

My ideal being that anyone who leaves a person cornered in an impossible situation should be open to criminal charges. You wouldn't like it, half the social services and NGO sector would wind up serving hard time, and rightly.

I would rather advocate for Neo Nazis than for the abolitionist groups looking for funding to "support" desperate women. (For reasons, see post that begins "How dare you").

I will always fight any attempt to criminalise the sale and purchase of sex for the simple reason that a bird in the hand is worth a whole flock of imaginary bluebirds somewhere over the rainbow. Sex work is a bird in the hand for the desperate, that is why I will protect the right to buy and sell sex with my life if it comes to it (and if you don't believe I mean that literally you have a perfect right to be wrong.)

I also believe men and women have the right to buy and sell sex without state intervention, I also believe in the right to choose an abortion, but they are not significant enough matters for me to engage with.

Do you also support selling organs as it's a way for desperately poor people to get some money?

I do, in fact, I will go further and say that when you are responsible for a child and that child's life is in danger you have a duty to.

I will never be an advocate of "My feelz override your realz"

GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 18:03

TheRealRosieParker

How about womb rental? How much is that worth?

9 months average industrial wage + health and all out of pocket expenses seems fair to me.

But subject to psychological profiling and Police clearance...there are women with really weird fetishes about pregnancy and I don't think one of them would be a good idea at all.

TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 18:05

Gaye.

Thanks for confirming that you hate women, I can't imagine you are one. Or if you are you clearly haven't felt like one for years.

Pity.

FloraFox · 11/07/2016 18:18

Mansplaining is a portmanteau of the words man and explaining, defined as "to explain something to someone, typically a man to woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing." Lily Rothman of The Atlantic defines it as "explaining without regard to the fact that the explainee knows more than the explainer, often done by a man to a woman," and feminist author and essayist Rebecca Solnit ascribes the phenomenon to a combination of "overconfidence and cluelessness."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansplaining

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 11/07/2016 20:03

WNC was a govt. site. That's why it ends .gov.uk. It's not maintained anymore but it's still hosted by the government here.

MatthiasLehmann · 11/07/2016 23:01

This thread is not about Thailand but since comments were made about the country above, I recommend reading the report "Hit & Run - The impact of anti trafficking policy and practice on Sex Worker’s Human Rights in Thailand" by the EMPOWER Foundation, unless anyone wants to discredit them, too. The report was created with support from Mama Cash and the research was carried out by local sex workers themselves. (Details about their methodology are contained in the report.)

A striking statement in the report should give anyone genuinely interested in listening to sex workers something to think about:

"We have now reached a point in history where there are more women in the Thai sex industry who are being abused by anti-trafficking practices than there are women being exploited by traffickers."

Another quote from the same page:

"[S]ince the enactment of the Thai Suppression of Human Trafficking Act BE 2551, July 2008, dozens of the fundamental human rights to women are violated by its implementation. These violations have been perpetrated by both State and non-state actors against migrant sex workers, as well as women who were classified as victims of trafficking.

Our findings revealed that these violations are embedded in the interpretations or practices of 10 sections of the Suppression of Human Trafficking Act, they occur regularly and are nationwide. There is also abuse by omission where certain human rights protections and entitlements that are stipulated under the Suppression of Human Trafficking Act are not being met by either State or NGO agencies."

The report can be downloaded for free as pdf file. (see link 1 below)

I also recommend looking at Empower’s ‘Mida Tapestry’ which consists of embroidered panels depicting how women experience raid and rescue missions. Each panel is hand embroidered by migrant sex workers. It is an art work and a document that best speaks to and from the migrant sex worker community. (see link 2)

[1] Empower Foundation (2012) Hit and run: The impact of
anti-trafficking policy and practice on sex workers' human rights in Thailand. www.empowerfoundation.org/sexy_file/Hit%20and%20Run%20%20RATSW%20Eng%20online.pdf

[2] wp.me/p294H2-kk

sillage · 12/07/2016 03:12

The Empower Foundation report provides excellent support for adopting the Nordic Model since police in Sweden and Norway are not "raiding and rescuing" prostituted persons anymore.

Just one more fantastic pro-human rights effect of the Nordic Model, thanks for sharing.

TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 06:38

The loveliest thing about Thailand is the child porn capital pattaya.... Walk along the beach and see the large selection on sale. The pride one feels as a westerner with your countrymen exploiting these women and children. Well it's emotional

TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 06:45

Abject poverty. Ahhhhh no better place to be a westerner buying sex.

FloraFox · 12/07/2016 07:49

That report is advocacy not research.

Xenophile · 12/07/2016 07:50

Obviously the punter call has gone out. Always lovely to hear from men who prove our points for us.

GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 08:37

Sillage

The Empower Foundation report provides excellent support for adopting the Nordic Model since police in Sweden and Norway are not "raiding and rescuing" prostituted persons anymore.

Wrong, suggest you read Simon Haggstrom memoir:

www.bokus.com/bok/9789188153180/skuggans-lag-en-spanares-kamp-mot-prostitutionen/

TheRealPosieParker

What do you think would happen to those women, and their families, if Westerners were not buying sex?

Why doesn't that matter?

FloraFox · 12/07/2016 08:43

Fucking hell that's a new low.