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JosephineMumsnet · 07/07/2016 12:19

I was 19 years old when I made the decision to sell sex. An unorthodox choice, certainly, but one which helped me get through university without crippling debt, and later, a choice which would allow me to return to university as a single parent and complete my second degree. Please don't fall into the trap of assuming that because I'm a white, middle-class, educated woman I can't possibly understand the abject misery that is sometimes seen in our industry. I stood on Burlington Road in Dublin in the dead of winter, often drunk or out of my head on cocaine, or both, selling sex at £30 a time. That's not privileged. Now, with over 20 years behind me, I can finally put that experience to use, and educate people about the realities of our industry, and what would make us safer.

As the debate around the sex industry gathers steam, there are two schools of thought. Punish the punters by making it illegal to purchase sex, or decriminalise the laws around sex work. Let's look at both.

The law that criminalises the punter was introduced in Sweden in 1999 and has been an abject failure. Its aim was to reduce prostitution by reducing 'demand', but the Swedish government admits there has been no change to the number of buyers, or sellers. So what has changed? Violence against sex workers has increased sharply, with police targeting their homes to arrest buyers, often resulting in their being made homeless. The most vulnerable sex workers on the streets cannot be reached by outreach services, to facilitate condom distribution or needle exchange, as they need to work away from police detection. Sex workers are refusing to report violence to police, as they know they place themselves at risk from the very people supposed to protect them. Stigma has increased, with sex workers in both Sweden and Norway reporting having their children removed, and deportation of migrant sex workers is rife.

One of the most infuriating strands to the current feminist discourse around sex work is the assertion that we are abused, or even raped, every time we sell sex. That statement is injurious and grossly insulting to those who have survived abuse and rape, and it also strips sex workers of our agency. As much as we campaign for the right to say 'yes', we absolutely reserve the right to say 'no'. I detest the use of the word 'empowerment' in any debate on sex work. My job is no more empowering than anyone else's; it allows me to support my family and pay my bills. But as a community, there is no doubt that we are more empowered to say 'no' when we are permitted to work together for safety.

Under current legislation, and even more so under the Swedish model, sex workers are not permitted to work more than one to a premises. If I ask a friend to share an apartment with me so I feel safer in accepting visiting clients, we can be arrested and charged with 'pimping' from each other. That practice is commonplace. As cash, mobile phones and laptops are often removed as 'evidence', the women concerned are left with nothing but a criminal record, simply for wishing to stay safe.

So what is decriminalisation? Not to be confused with legalisation, it refers to the removal of all criminal prohibitions and penalties on sex work. In doing so, it protects the human rights of sex workers, as acknowledged by WHO, UNAIDS, The Lancet and more recently, Amnesty International.

Decriminalisation allows us to work together for safety, which is crucial. Decriminalisation also makes it easier to access justice and support services, and facilitates a better response to true exploitation in the industry. When the police work with us, not against us, we are best placed to identify and report others in danger.

On June 1 2015, the Northern Irish Assembly made it illegal to purchase sex. I have launched a High Court challenge to that law and will take it to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary. You may not like or be comfortable with the exchange of sex for money and that's fine - that's not what this debate is about. It's about our right to safety in the workplace. 154 sex workers have been murdered since 1990. We ask for your support for decriminalisation. Our lives depend on it.

Read Kat Banyard's post here.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/07/2016 19:20

But the killer is that I have never said sex work was "a job like any other", for one thing I always see it as the self employment it is, and for another I file it in a special category with mortuary work, high rise window cleaning, coal mining, demolition that some people can thrive on and some people could not do with a gun held to the head

Oh please. You are the one who gets worked up about semantics and yet comes out with rubbish like that.

So far as "a job like any other" do you seriously think that "job" only means work carried out by employees?

I'm self employed. If I were asked "what job do I do"? I would not reply " oh I don't have a job, I'm self employed"

I see you are trotting out the ridiculous argument that being a prostitute is not just any old job (or "profession" , to pander to your delusions) but a really special and important one which really special and important and brave people do.

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GayeDalton · 16/07/2016 19:53

Lass

Grow up and get some manners. This rubbish is a waste of my time which is currently shared with getting a badly injured little girl evac'ed from Aleppo. See girl 20 seconds in to the video martyred journalist Khalid Issa dies for 2 weeks ago See 35 seconds in to girl already a patient when Omar Bin Abdul Aziz was hit in an airstrike today www.facebook.com/AleppoAMC/videos/261326544245055/

Still think I should put my life on hold to have a childish bitch fest with you? Or would you rather see if you know some journos who could raise hell to get her out? Choice is yours.

Felascloak

I'm thinking about what you say, on one hand I agree but on the other I think doing the job probably requires a certain level of denial about precisely what you are doing and with who.

Does not compute...not for me anyway...as I have said, I am autistic, for me, a spade is always a bloody shovel...if I started trying to tell myself anything else I would know I was lying and lose faith in myself!

Most of the work I have done in my like has been one to one contracting (the other two were computers and soft furnishings) and I always knew exactly what I was doing and with whom in all three. Maybe normal people feel differently, but I never could.

Sex is not the sacred cow people want to make it out to be. It is a language that can say anything from "You are the other part of myself" to "Hurry it up or I'll charge extra" just as efficiently.

I think to choose to be a prostitute you must also buy into the whole male "need" for sex.

Honestly you don't, you just have to recognise they will pay for it, because when you sell sex (whether through choice or necessity) you are selling sex for money for YOU and barring an option on repeat business you couldn't care less what the guy does or does not need, because it really isn't about them at all.

Most work to live jobs (which is most of the work people do) are pretty much like that.

As for the obnoxious feck 'em and dump 'ems...I have never come across women who want casual sex with a stranger on a regular basis. But there is hope...from the last place you would expect it...

ISIS...there is a counterculture growing in reaction to the crises in Syria and Iraq that paints a macho hero as a man who risks his life to save lives, is not ashamed to cry in public, loves his children and his wife, and treats everybody else's children and wife like gold dust. Soldiers are seen as doing a dirty, but necessary job, like bin men. So that actually through cultures that are still, to an extent, riddled with Wahabism and Sharia and absolutely toxic civil warfare, men are changing shape as human beings.

The next generation in the mid east will be unrecognisable compared to men today. I may just live to see it, you certainly will.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/07/2016 21:45

Still think I should put my life on hold to have a childish bitch fest with you? Or would you rather see if you know some journos who could raise hell to get her out? Choice is yours

Odd. You seem to have plenty of time to keep coming back to this thread and promoting prostitution.

And are you now actually saying you are in Aleppo?

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GayeDalton · 16/07/2016 22:05

Lass

Well that solved the the question of whether you have empathy or not.

And are you now actually saying you are in Aleppo?

Don't be so stupid! Any fool would know I would just be ISIS bait and a dangerous liability because of my gimp leg!

That doesn't mean we do not want to get this little girl you think is great to bounce bitching off out of there very, VERY badly.

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FloraFox · 16/07/2016 23:04

Mattias we're not confused by the "de". We don't agree with your attempt to legitimatise the commodification of women's bodies.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 17/07/2016 00:28

That doesn't mean we do not want to get this little girl you think is great to bounce bitching off out of there very, VERY badly

Oh you're back. How surprising. Thought you were too busy saving saving humanity.

I have no idea what the situation in Syria has to do with this thread, beyond your embarrassing attempts at virtue signalling what a good person you think you are. I find your derailment really pretty tasteless.

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IPityThePontipines · 17/07/2016 02:08

So that actually through cultures that are still, to an extent, riddled with Wahabism and Sharia and absolutely toxic civil warfare, men are changing shape as human beings.

As a Muslim woman with family in Syria, I'm not really filled with the warm fuzzies by this comment and I also fail to see what relevance it has to the thread.

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GayeDalton · 17/07/2016 02:36

IPityThePontipines

Assad supporter or making it up on the spur of the moment for pure spite? Could be either, whichever, your "warm fuzzies" are not my main concern in life.

LassWiTheDelicateAir

100% Nasty piece of work who has no interest this issue beyond using it as an excuse to be spiteful

Incidentally, I am a very good person...I should, be considering the effort I have put into that and the things I have sacrificed to it throughout my life...you should try it some time.

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GayeDalton · 17/07/2016 02:46

Anyway, that's enough attention to idiots making endless personal attacks for attention. If you want me to care what you think you need to have my respect, and the only way to have my respect is to earn it, and spite and toxicity will not cut it.

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IPityThePontipines · 17/07/2016 02:48

Assad supporter or making it up on the spur of the moment for pure spite? Could be either, whichever, your "warm fuzzies" are not my main concern in life.

No, I am certainly not an Assad supporter. I was objecting to your patronising and inaccurate description of Syrian people and their culture.

Oh, and that you are waving around an injured child to try to "win" an argument.

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VestalVirgin · 17/07/2016 09:34

As for the obnoxious feck 'em and dump 'ems...I have never come across women who want casual sex with a stranger on a regular basis.

... and you justify prostitution ... how? If you don't even think a woman could want casual sex with attractive men on a regular basis, why do you think society should promote women selling their bodies to punters?

You are aware that that promotes male entitlement to "sex" (actually, to putting their dicks into random strangers, but, details), and creates a class of men who feel entitled to something that, according to your own words, no woman would want, not even with attractive men.

How can you defend it?

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GayeDalton · 17/07/2016 10:43

IPityThePontipines

No, I am certainly not an Assad supporter. I was objecting to your patronising and inaccurate description of Syrian people and their culture

Wrong I was referring to the Mid East in general, which, in case you haven't noticed, has overrun Syria lately (Palestinian mercenaries, among others, fight with Assad while Al Nusra hold him off Kurds and Iraqis on both sides too) , and my point was about that very different and totally new image of masculinity that is rising from the ashes of Syrian culture, almost incidentally (Patronising as hell that observation), which you obviously haven't noticed either. That I think will ultimately have more impact on how men evolve into the the future than all the toxic Radfem generalisations, half truths and absolute BS ever will.

Though I take your point that, in your opinion there is nothing toxic about civil war, in Syria, or in general we will have to agree to disagree.

Oh, and that you are waving around an injured child to try to "win" an argument.

Wrong I have no interest in manipulating false and irrelevant structural wins that mean zero to me to anything (though that offers me significant insight into your own motivation - it is not me deliberately baiting people back with personal attacks). I am not here for personal popularity, nor to "make friends" with mumsnet harpies, just to help them show themselves up up for what they really are and leave some facts among the endless misinformation.

I was using Lass's endless personal spite as an excuse for "waving an injured child around" here, (as pretty much everywhere) in case there was any humanity, conscience and press contacts among the harpies that might actually DO something to get her and half a dozen of so others out of Aleppo before they are dead children, if only to spite me...but I see putting me down is of far greater importance to you and you missed the point.

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GayeDalton · 17/07/2016 10:47

VestalVirgin

If you don't even think a woman could want casual sex with attractive men on a regular basis, why do you think society should promote women selling their bodies to punters?

Try: because women tend to want, and even need, large sums of money reliably, which is all sex work is about for most women. The sex is just a task. You think anyone is panting with carnal desire to work in Tesco?

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user1471707421 · 20/08/2016 16:39

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thegoodnameshadgone · 09/10/2016 21:33

I have no experience in politics, sex work but if it's your job you choose it's your job. Surely the same rights as self employed should apply. (Understand this won't apply to everyone)

It's just a job. Ideally we'd all have a job we love but reality we don't so why single out the profession as old as god.

It's a service. Like any other. I don't agree with gambling but it's a service plastered everywhere?

I think legal rules would protect everyone. It's not like this is something that's going to stop.

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