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Guest post: "Detention is no place for pregnant women"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/03/2016 17:40

Lucy* was 23 when she fell pregnant as a result of brutal sexual violence. Her mother bought her a plane ticket to the UK, thinking she and her baby would be safe here - but she was detained straight from the airport. She arrived frightened, alone and pregnant, and was locked up.

Lucy spent four weeks in Yarl's Wood between months five and six of her pregnancy. She told me that she couldn't believe places like this existed in the UK.

Her pregnancy had been painful, Lucy said. At one point, things got so bad that her solicitor had to intervene to ensure she was taken to the nearby hospital for medical attention. The staff at Yarl's Wood were dismissive of her complaints; there's a prevalent culture of disbelief, and women are often accused of pretending to be ill to strengthen their asylum case. Concerns have repeatedly been raised about the quality of the healthcare provision at Yarl's Wood, and Lucy had no idea what was going to happen to her or her baby.

About a month after she was detained, Lucy was released. She had nowhere to go, and had to rely on the kindness of strangers until her baby boy was born. Her son is now three months old and they are living in the community, but their asylum status is still in limbo.

About a month after I first met Lucy, I also met Priya* in Yarl's Wood, where she'd been for about six weeks. She was 25, and around five months pregnant; her story is also told in .

I visit Yarl's Wood about once a month, and always take small gifts for the women I'm visiting – usually nice smellies, body lotions and shampoos. When I asked Priya what she wanted me to bring, she asked for a photo of a baby girl to look at, and I felt so saddened by the simplicity of her request. During her time in Yarl's Wood, she'd been taken to Bedford hospital for her 20 week scan, so she knew she was having a girl and desperately wanted to imagine what she might be like.

Priya had been taken late for her appointment, escorted by Yarl's Wood officers, and hadn't had time to speak to the midwife afterwards. She was clearly frustrated, anxious, and uncertain about what to expect. "I used to worry about myself, but now I only worry about what will happen to my daughter," she told me.

She also felt very alone. She has no family, either in the UK or her home country, and her partner, like her, is an asylum seeker. Although they spoke on the phone every day, he lived in asylum support accommodation at the other end of the country, and couldn't afford to visit. At the time, I was the only 'social' visitor she'd had. I couldn't believe how tiny and fragile she looked when we first met, but she told me she felt weak and sick all the time.

She struggled to eat the food that was provided, and had been unable to access proper support for her depression, low blood pressure, and problems sleeping. The experience of detention is immensely distressing, and over half the women we surveyed in detention said they thought about killing themselves. For Priya, pregnancy and the separation from her partner also made her more emotionally vulnerable, but staff were again dismissive and unkind when she sought help for her mental health problems.

Lucy and Priya's stories are heartbreaking, but sadly they are not alone in their experiences. Over the course of 2014, 99 pregnant women were detained in Yarl's Wood – despite the Home Office's own policy that pregnant women should only be detained under 'exceptional circumstances'.

At Women for Refugee Women we know, from the stories of women like Lucy and Priya, that detention is no place for pregnant women. And it's not just our opinion – two recent independent reviews, by HM Prisons Inspectorate and Stephen Shaw, as well as medical and legal experts, have expressed similar concerns about pregnant women being detained. Join our Set Her Free campaign to ensure all women who seek asylum in the UK are treated with dignity and respect - sign the petition here.

*Names have been changed

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Limer · 07/03/2016 21:18

Let's hope so Viviennemary.

sooperdooper · 07/03/2016 21:27

Everyone seeking asylum should be treated with respect, everyone should have access to medical care when they need it. Everyone's case should be processed as quickly as is possible

But I don't think giving particular people a better/quicker process will make the overall situation better or quicker and it'll add extra layers of complexity to an already complex situation

hownottofuckup · 07/03/2016 21:41

Did people miss the part that described Lucy's pregnancy as a result of a 'brutal, sexual assault'? It doesn't say where Lucy has come from but in some countries that can be a death sentence for both mother and baby.
Pregnancy should confer 'special treatment' just as any medical condition or vulnerability should.
I hate the 'othering' of people that is becoming more common on here. You expect it from some quarters but it is becoming much more prevelant on MN then I ever imagined it would.

Redroses11 · 07/03/2016 21:43

The question I would ask is why is Lucy still not processed.

IPityThePontipines · 07/03/2016 22:19

"pulling the suicidal card"?!?!

Also, someone correctly describing such views as bigoted isn't shutting down debate, you're all still free to post here, aren't you?

AnthonyBlanche · 07/03/2016 23:14

Pregnancy is a normal part of life, it doesn't make anyone deserving of special attention or treatment. What next, you can't lock a murderer up if she's pregnant?

AnthonyBlanche · 07/03/2016 23:16

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hownottofuckup · 07/03/2016 23:17

Pregnancy is a medical condition and can cause death. What stone have you been living under?

What have murderers got to do with it?

hownottofuckup · 07/03/2016 23:19

You sound highly intelligent Anthony.

AnthonyBlanche · 07/03/2016 23:22

I'm glad you noticed my intelligence fuck up. Seriously, less of the personal insults. We are all (even you) entitled to our opinion.

AnthonyBlanche · 07/03/2016 23:24

And I don't agree that pregnancy is a "medical condition". It is a normal biological process for the purposes of reproduction.

hownottofuckup · 07/03/2016 23:34

You are right personal insults are wrong and it would be immediately obvious to anyone reading your posts that calling you highly intelligent would be, well, rude in its absurdity.
My appologies.

emilybohemia · 08/03/2016 00:09

Why are you comparing murderers to refugees, Anythony? Would you send someone back on the first plane to Isis? To be raped again? Would you send someone back to be held in what used to be their village hall where they are raped day and night? Would you send someone back to be killed? This is what people try to escape.

Did you just think of the worst things you could say to shock or did you mean them? I can't quite fathom it.

Why are people like Lucy locked up and disrespected and treated like they don't matter? A question we must all ask ourselves.

JolieColombe · 08/03/2016 00:12

A normal biological process that causes the death of approx 800 women a day, with 20-30 times that number encountering complications resulting in serious or long-lasting consequences (source: UNFPA). So I guess we should just muddle through it, huh Hmm

Redroses11 · 08/03/2016 00:28

There is no way that the UK can take in every asylum seeker and treat them as citizens are treated.
For a start, the money just is not there! The money is not even there for psychiatric services for current citizens.
Asylum seekers should be processed quickly. That I agree with. But there has to be a limit, otherwise we all become Syria.

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 06:59

I don't think asylum seekers should be locked up indefinitely in a detention centre. It's a human rights abuse, and the precedent that it is ok to detain people who are not charged or convicted of any crime is a dangerous one. It's easy not to care when those who are suffering are 'other', but any one of us could also be affected by our government's increasing disregard for human rights. These rights matter, and should be upheld for every human being, not just those we perceive to be 'worthy'.

In addition to this, pregnant women are particularly vulnerable and the treatment described in the op is appalling. I support your campaign, and am embarrassed at the reception it's got on MN.

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 07:00

Redress - I must have missed the bit of Syrian history where it was the asylum seekers in the country who caused the civil war.....

WomanWithAltitude · 08/03/2016 07:01

^ *redroses

AllThePrettySeahorses · 08/03/2016 07:03

I agree - what is it with the "swing to the right" as identified above? Last September, when that poor little boy Alan Kurdi drowned, this site was bursting with threads from hand-wringers wanting to bring every single migrant and refugee over including offers to open their own homes, reinforced by our flip-flopping flop PM jumping on the bandwagon - now, it's all "put them on the first plane home," again with the government following this new mood by apparently being tough on immigration (ha ha, cos they haven't been for the last 6 years - cue pathetic, embarrassing whinging of "it was all Labour's fault" the best part of a decade later).

I don't agree with either position tbh; Britain should certainly take a good share of refugees, but not necessarily as many migrants. I think the best course f action is to stabilise the situation in Syria, which won't be done by bombing, so people can live in peace and safety in their own country. Anything else is a short term sticking plaster.

Back to the OP though - of course pregnant women deserve special treatment! Most of us women on this site have had or are having babies and didn't we all want "special treatment" such as extra medical appointments, scans, a particular food we craved or a seat on the bus? It's not being a "special snowflake," it's just recognising, as has been done for millennia, that pregnancy is potentially a debilitating condition and understanding that pregnant women do, generally, need special care - these women in particular. Processing centres are no place for them.

BiologicalCrayon · 08/03/2016 07:25

Yarl's Wood doesn't sound like a place for a human being. It needs closing down.

Thank you for this piece, and for standing up for these women Sarah. I will sign the petition.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 08/03/2016 09:47

redroses I fully agree

Tiggeryoubastard · 08/03/2016 10:43

Bloody ridiculous. Why not just tell any woman that wants to 'jump on a plane' and come here, possibly with no support network, way of making a living, that if they get pregnant first it'll be a free ride all the way. Absolutely not.

SirChenjin · 08/03/2016 12:02

So how would you like pregnant women to be dealt with while their cases are being heard, whilst ensuring that they are not afforded preferential treatment?

What do you think should happen to the (presumably wealthy) mother who sent her pregnant daughter to a country where she knew no-one for medical treatment she wasn't entitled to?

How is she managing to live in the community? How is that being funded if she knows no-one here?

And most importantly - how do you think we can get the message out there that pitching up in the UK while pregnant is not a good idea? Why did she come to the UK as opposed to another country?

RortyCrankle · 08/03/2016 12:16

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emilybohemia · 08/03/2016 12:29

I think your post smacks of victim blaming, Tigger. The woman mentioned was brutally attacked.

Comments here sharing the notion that treating people awaiting asylum in a humane way will encourage more to come scared me quite a bit. What would these posters prefer? That women are treated badly so as not to 'enourage' them.

International law states that women like 'Lucy' be protected and given safety. They certainly should not be put on a plane and sent back. Why some want support violating international law is beyond me.

I think Mumsnet needs to have a think about the level of vitriol aimed at threads related to helping refugees. I would like a response from Mumsnet on this as I feel a lot of posters are being put off posting by the vehemence of others. I would like a response from mumsnet on how they plan to handle this as someone from HQ recently stated it would be discussed.

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