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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/02/2016 13:28

At last count, 423 unaccompanied children were living in the Jungle camp in Calais.

I have spoken with a number of them on my trips in recent months. Many had reached the camp by themselves; they had been orphaned, separated en route, or sent away by their parents who had paid traffickers. Some I talked to were as young as ten.

These are some of the lost children of Europe; officially, they don't exist.
On Friday, the French government's plan to clear part of the Jungle was approved by the courts. While authorities say around 1000 people will be affected, aid agencies put the figure far higher.

Volunteers in the makeshift women and children's centre in the camp do their best to look after the unaccompanied minors, but there are no NGOs working with them. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees has not contacted the centre and neither have government officials.

Conditions in the camp are harsh. I cannot imagine my teen living there. It is cold and wet; the only thing keeping people fed and clothed adequately is the huge volunteer effort. I saw little children playing in waste pits contaminated with industrial waste and human excrement. Sickness spreads quickly through the camp - a measles outbreak was only just averted because Médecins Sans Frontières moved swiftly to run a vaccination programme.

There are frequently clashes between the CRS riot police and a small number of frustrated migrants. They throw stones; the CRS retaliate with tear gas and rubber bullets fired far into the camp. The tear gas floats amongst the family tents, choking the sleeping inhabitants at night. In the Calais Jungle, it seems that human rights do not apply. However, the camp does offer a degree of protection that will now disappear as a result of the eviction order issued to the southern half of the camp. The fear is that they will disperse into many smaller camps across northern France.

I thought Calais was terrible. Then I went to Dunkirk. The camp at Grand Synthe is a living hell. Around 2500 people live there, including many families with young children and small babies. No structures are allowed; tents and wooden pallets have to be snuck in. The mud is indescribable, thick and Somme-like. Inside the tents we saw children sleeping on pallets slowly sinking into the swamp.

In Dunkirk, I helped in a little school for the afternoon. It sees around 30-40 children each week. It consists of an army-type tent, open at the ends, and a floor made of pallets that float on top of the mud. Everything is covered with a layer of dirt. Paper gets damp too quickly and it is impossible to look after resources there, so the small number of amazing teachers who run it - I met British and French people - have to rely on their ingenuity and resilience. The children were wonderful; I was helping six year olds learn their numbers. In all of that mud, damp and cold, wrapped up in coats, chests rattling from infections, they still smiled and laughed and tried to teach me Kurdish.

There is some hope for the Dunkirk children. A new camp is being built by Médecins Sans Frontières. For those who are able to move to it, the conditions will be much better. The Brighton Build shelter project, Hummingbird project and Brighton Bridge are working together to create a new school and family centre in the camp, which you can support here.

This is the humanitarian side of this crisis, which must be acknowledged. I am not looking at politics, I am looking at people – and they need our help.

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kesstrel · 01/03/2016 20:55

According to this French article, French social services keep trying to persuade the children to go to the special 'children's homes' for unaccompanied refugee children but they either refuse to go, or they run away if they do go there. One 15 year old is quoted as saying that they are too far away from the port - 40 minutes. Presumably, some of the older ones at least want to be able to continue trying to get to the UK. It's worth noting that here in England we too find it impossible to prevent our own adolescents from running away from group 'homes', as it is not considered appropriate or possible to keep them under lock and key.

www.francetvinfo.fr/france/nord-pas-de-calais/migrants-a-calais/dans-la-jungle-de-calais-des-enfants-seuls-livres-a-eux-memes_1330127.html

CuttedUpPear · 01/03/2016 22:01

For those of you who believe there are only raving leftie anarchists volunteering in the camp, here's a piece from the British Medical Journal

stubbornstains · 01/03/2016 22:15

There is no point in trying to combat some of the attitudes on this thread with good old fashioned factual information, cutted. Some posters want to find evidence of some kind of sinister uber- left wing movement dedicated to the downfall of humanity, and are not going to let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Re: the "why don't they apply for asylum in France?" question: apparently, a significant amount of residents in the Jungle have applied for asylum in France. It's just that that doesn't entitle them to anything, housing included. So, you've applied for asylum, but are still homeless and penniless. Hence living in the Jungle- because they had/ have nowhere else to go. (This information from the Worldwide Tribe FB page. A rogue anarchist cell affiliated to North Korea or something, and intent on the destruction of our British way of life. Probably. Wink).

emilybohemia · 01/03/2016 23:00

True, stubborn. I hate to see those attitudes though. It reminds me of the Stuart Lee taxi driver, 'You can prove anything with facts can't you?'

Op, if you'd like to leave any links where people who want to can donate, peition or help in any way, it could be something positive. People DO care. I think people feel helpless but a lot would like to do something even though the situation is hard.

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 23:10

cutted and stubborn I think the biggest problem is that certain posters - one particularly - won't acknowledge that groups like No borders have infiltrated the camp and are causing trouble...
(I suspect the are the reason the bulldozing has been brought forward so dramatically was to try and avert more trouble they discovered was being planned by this group)
Have a look at No Borders webpage noborders.org.uk/aboutnoborders - a few quotes

Some of us believe in taking direct action to attack the border system and its infrastructure.
Many, though not all, people in the No Borders network also think of ourselves as anarchists. We believe that a world without borders must also mean a world without states.

The Calais Migrant Solidarity are basically the No borders group operating in Calais. They have their own website too...this one page calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/run-down-of-container-camp-collaborators/
should give you a good impression of what they are about...

'Run-down of container camp collaborators'
a list of all the companies, directors names, addresses who have been involved with the construction of the container housing.
Near the bottom you have
NGO collaborators:
ACTED (Aide à la Coopération Technique et au Développement).
This is a humanitarian NGO that was spotted helping escort a flatbed truck moving containers in and out the jungle.
and
Camp management: La Vie Active charity
The charity is a ‘public services’ organisation and runs 70 sites across a range of sectors, primarily the elderly and disabled. The charity runs the Jules Ferry ‘day centre’ near the Jungle, which also serves as sleeping space for women, who are treated like prisoners. Calais Migrant Solidarity have documented also La Vie Active trying to persuade people to leave parts of the jungle scheduled for demolition.
They also described people involved with them as 'comrades'

Their presence is (at last) being widely acknowledged in the main stream media. I don't think for one second all the volunteers are so extreme (I do personally think they are misguided but trying to do good) -acrtually I'm sure I read somewhere some volunteer groups have complained about the presence of left wing activists...
I'll go back to that bit in bold - this group think it is wrong to encourage migrants to go into the warm, dry, clean container housing...they would rather people suffered in filthy, squalid conditions to further their political cause...not who are the heartless bastards?

CuttedUpPear · 01/03/2016 23:26

The 'warm, dry clean container housing' is less secure than the wooden shelters that are right next door to them and which you refer to as filthy and squalid. There are no cooking facilities in the containers and nowhere secure to store anything so when you step out of your shared dormitory you have to carry everything you own with you or it may well disappear - that includes your underwear.

The wooden shelters are not unlike beach huts - you can make a nice bed in them, keep your valuables safe and make a cup of tea or more on your gas ring. People can live in their own communities. It's no more squalid than the containers a few hundred feet away. That's why they don't want to move. And as a pp said, many have ongoing asylum claims but nowhere to go.

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 23:26

Now not not who are ...but actually reading some of that website is actually making my blood boil AngryAngry Angry ...bastards.
I actually feel really sorry for most of the the migrants in Calais (still don't think they should be allowed into the UK for reasons I've stated before)

but they have been sold a lie by the people smugglers , most of them even if they get to the UK alive as illegals (especially with no valid asylum claim) are going to have a worse time here than in the Calais jungle where they do at least have some support, food etc from volunteers ....instead of homeless or beds in sheds, with no support and living in fear of being discovered and deported ...
and even so whilst in Calais they are being manipulated to their detriment to further an extreme group's agenda. Fuck.

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 23:32

cutted really ????? Can you not see the contradiction?
On one hand we are told they are constantly cold and wet, in mud and filth etc - how bad it is, not safe - it is a humanitarian crisis ...
....and then on the other they are better in the tents/shelters than the warm heated containers with sanitation and gravel...
so it can't be too bad in the tents then...can it????

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 23:41

Must go to bed...but....
How can the containers possibly be less secure???...everyone in the container housing will have been hand printed...it is fenced off - everyone inside can be accounted for and subject to law if nec...there can be consequences for their actions.
In the shelters literally anyone could be there - and if they committed a crime they could disappear tomorrow never to be found again ... apparently they regularly get attacked by gangs of neo nazis - they wouldn't in the container 'village'
So which is safer? Where would you choose to live?
(Personally I'd choose the containers - thanks...)

CuttedUpPear · 01/03/2016 23:46

The containers are not secure from the other people who you would be forced to share with, who would not have any family bonds with you as it's necessary to fill all the beds.

Here's a snapshot of the wooden shelters, which can be locked with your own padlock.

unlucky if you're confused about the information you are getting, you could go and look for yourself. Relying on media that has the government in its pocket in order to protect its financial concerns (which is oil - from the countries these people are fleeing) is never going to give you a rounded or balanced picture.

OneWingWonder · 01/03/2016 23:52

CuttedUpPear

"The containers are not secure from the other people who you would be forced to share with, who would not have any family bonds with you as it's necessary to fill all the beds."

What, you mean not safe from other migrants?! That sounds very racist against them, since we all know migrants never commit crime.

CuttedUpPear · 02/03/2016 07:33

OneWing it's disingenuous of you to call me racist. And the rest of your comment is patronising.

Put it like this. If you were a single woman, or even a woman with a husband, obliged to leave your home, would you prefer to stay in accommodation that was private and only you had the key to, or accommodation that 10 strangers also had access to and could come and go from 24/7?

CoteDAzur · 02/03/2016 08:04

stubborn - "Re: the why don't they apply for asylum in France? question: apparently, a significant amount of residents in the Jungle have applied for asylum in France. It's just that that doesn't entitle them to anything, housing included. So, you've applied for asylum, but are still homeless and penniless. Hence living in the Jungle. This information from the Worldwide Tribe FB page. A rogue anarchist cell affiliated to North Korea or something"

What nonsense. Have you considered that it might be better idea to get your information from more reputable sources? Like, I don't know, proper government channels that deal with asylum seekers? Hmm

Check out this French government site where you can download and read all about the French asylum process in English, including how asylum seekers are housed (page 20) and monthly financial assistance (page 22).

My understanding is that these people have NOT demanded asylum from France, possibly because they don't have grounds for demanding it ("I just want to live somewhere better than my own country" not being grounds for demanding asylum anywhere) and/or because they know their asylum demand will be processed by the 1st EU country they landed at (Greece?).

All this is explained in the document above, if anyone is interested in finding out correct information.

CoteDAzur · 02/03/2016 08:06

"If you were a single woman, or even a woman with a husband, obliged to leave your home, would you prefer to stay in accommodation that was private and only you had the key to, or accommodation that 10 strangers also had access to and could come and go from 24/7?"

Personally, I would just demand asylum and go live in a proper government facility that is safe, private, warm, and legal rather than slumming it in a makeshift shantytown in the middle of winter, hoping I can sneak illegally into a country that clearly doesn't want me.

CuttedUpPear · 02/03/2016 08:32

Cote the containers are not safe and private. I've explained that.

If you haven't been to see it yourself it may be hard to understand but in the camp people could choose their neighbours and lock their doors. The toilets and showers were the same in the camp as in the containers.

To be put out of your small but private home into dormitory accommodation 500m away - it's not an attractive prospect.

CoteDAzur · 02/03/2016 08:38

I don't care if the containers are safe or private or whatever.

The rational choice would be to apply for asylum and get properly housed, with additional financial assistance. Not in tents. Not in containers. Proper apartments or hostels as the case may be.

It's all explained in the document I provided.

TaraCarter · 02/03/2016 09:43

I won't pretend to know what the rational choice would be, but I'm not sure refugees who've made their way from Syria are going to be calmly and coolly making rational decisions.

They've left everything they know, so they started out pretty... stressed, right? Many of them are probably bereaved or fear for the safety of family members left behind or lost on the way. There was plenty of newspaper coverage of parents who made across but saw their children drown. How calm do you think they are? What about unrelated people in the boats who survived but saw other people drown.

In this thread, someone was left unable to sleep after reading about the camp. I wonder how it must feel to live there, or to have made your way to get there.

unlucky83 · 02/03/2016 09:47

cutted interesting you mention women ....I did nearly point out something else upthread when I posted from CMS (No Borders in Calais) webpage 'Container container camp collaborators'.
To save scrolling I'll repost their comment about 'La Vie Active' the camp management charity collaborators
The charity runs the Jules Ferry ‘day centre’ near the Jungle, which also serves as sleeping space for women, who are treated like prisoners. Calais Migrant Solidarity have documented also La Vie Active trying to persuade people to leave parts of the jungle scheduled for demolition.
So the women do have a safe sleeping space... in the day centre ...and No Borders objects 'because they are treated like prisoners.' (And no doubt discourages women to use that safe space). It is truly despicable.
If I was living somewhere pretty lawless, unregulated, unidentifiable people with questionable backgrounds coming and going, disappearing all the time, especially as a woman, I would appreciate and feel safer sleeping in a place with regulations ('like a prison') than in a container (where at least there are some kind of record of who your neighbours are) or a hut secured only with a flimsy padlock - can they lock them from the inside - do they have a hasp on the inside and outside? Choosing your immediate neighbours is all well and good -but you can't choose who is sneaking around the camps in the night.
Finally I am quite well informed but thank you for your concern.
I don't have a problem with critical thinking, I always look for bias from all quarters.
But in all this there is one fact that cannot be overlooked - and I would dearly love someone to be able to argue against. I have said it before but I'll repeat to hear your view on it.
If we cleared the Calais jungle by taking everyone there into the UK today - what would the jungle look like next week? Next month? In 6 months?
Do you agree that it would be even bigger then? It would continue to fill as much as we emptied it? We would be setting a precedent.
So we would be encouraging more people to risk their lives crossing deserts and seas. We would be responsible for their deaths.
And those people would have got there by paying people smugglers who have no regard for human life. We would be putting money into the hands of the nastiest types of criminals, who will be using that money to finance god knows what - sex trafficking? drugs? Daesh?

CoteDAzur · 02/03/2016 09:48

Nobody is talking about calm. But neither can anyone make the decision for them to apply for asylum or continue to live in squalor.

People are talking about the need to make asylum demands so they can have legal rights and be properly taken care of.

But they don't want to do that because (1) they don't have grounds for it, and/or (2) they want to get to the UK, not sent to wherever it was they first touched EU soil, which is probably not France.

All this heartstring-tugging isn't changing any of the above.

If they are in such terrible conditions, they should go through the proper channels.

unlucky83 · 02/03/2016 09:51

tara do you believe the majority of people in the camps are from Syria? Not even the supporters of the camp believe that...

TaraCarter · 02/03/2016 10:02

unlucky I didn't state one way or the other? I think we are pretty certain some of them are from Syria, and therefore their likely psychological state is relevant. I'd prefer this not to go all Not All People Are Psychologically Affected or worse No-one Is Psychologically Affected, just because there are x% of people who didn't come from Syria. Let's not erase refugees from the debate because it's easy to resent economic migrants. Please.

We're better than that.

By the way in answer to your question from earlier, it was a UK birth cert from the 1930s, most information unknown- I could only give the forename and surname and the approximate date.

unlucky83 · 02/03/2016 10:18

So the volunteers in Calais should be encouraging the genuine refugees and helping them to claim asylum in France -because that is the most useful thing they can do for them?
Not set up schools or soup kitchens or collect blankets and clothes so they are comfortable as they can be in a slum - but get them out and do what's best for their long term future?

TaraCarter · 02/03/2016 10:31

Is that the approach you taking to parenting, Unlucky? A single-minded focus on their GCSEs and university applications, because in the long-term people need jobs, and you let the day to day issues of making sure the kids are fed, warm and clothed go hang?

No, because that would be sodding ridiculous, wouldn't it? People need to survive to have a long-term future, don't they?

On a side-note, attacking volunteers for educating children is a particular low point. Ask any NGO of your choice that deals with human children, and ask them whether they think providing access to education is important. Trafficked children, former child-soldiers, refugees, take your pick.

unlucky83 · 02/03/2016 11:08

tara ...
Flip your argument around and say you think it is a better idea to feed them and keep them warm and clothed and plan on doing so until you die - not bother about teaching them to stand on their own feet, supporting them in their choices for their future...keep them as dependants for ever...
(After all it makes you feel needed and like a 'good' person, doesn't it?)
I think that would be just as ridiculous....
You can actually do both ...honestly ....
And very shortly they would be be better housed, fed, clothed ..and educated by professionals...not someone who hasn't grown out of playing schools...

(In general I think there are more important things in life than GCSEs and University - I'd rather they were happy ..I don't care what they do as long as they can look after themselves and earn enough money to live how they want to live and be happy - and it is their life not mine...)

emilybohemia · 02/03/2016 11:31

I was pleased to see that an MP was there and speaking about the cruelty to the children.

David is a Tory MP and has been speaking out about the cruelty in tear gassing children and the horribleconditions in the camp. Kind of flies in the face of all the talk about most people there being far left anarchists!

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