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Guest post: "These are the lost children of Europe"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/02/2016 13:28

At last count, 423 unaccompanied children were living in the Jungle camp in Calais.

I have spoken with a number of them on my trips in recent months. Many had reached the camp by themselves; they had been orphaned, separated en route, or sent away by their parents who had paid traffickers. Some I talked to were as young as ten.

These are some of the lost children of Europe; officially, they don't exist.
On Friday, the French government's plan to clear part of the Jungle was approved by the courts. While authorities say around 1000 people will be affected, aid agencies put the figure far higher.

Volunteers in the makeshift women and children's centre in the camp do their best to look after the unaccompanied minors, but there are no NGOs working with them. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees has not contacted the centre and neither have government officials.

Conditions in the camp are harsh. I cannot imagine my teen living there. It is cold and wet; the only thing keeping people fed and clothed adequately is the huge volunteer effort. I saw little children playing in waste pits contaminated with industrial waste and human excrement. Sickness spreads quickly through the camp - a measles outbreak was only just averted because Médecins Sans Frontières moved swiftly to run a vaccination programme.

There are frequently clashes between the CRS riot police and a small number of frustrated migrants. They throw stones; the CRS retaliate with tear gas and rubber bullets fired far into the camp. The tear gas floats amongst the family tents, choking the sleeping inhabitants at night. In the Calais Jungle, it seems that human rights do not apply. However, the camp does offer a degree of protection that will now disappear as a result of the eviction order issued to the southern half of the camp. The fear is that they will disperse into many smaller camps across northern France.

I thought Calais was terrible. Then I went to Dunkirk. The camp at Grand Synthe is a living hell. Around 2500 people live there, including many families with young children and small babies. No structures are allowed; tents and wooden pallets have to be snuck in. The mud is indescribable, thick and Somme-like. Inside the tents we saw children sleeping on pallets slowly sinking into the swamp.

In Dunkirk, I helped in a little school for the afternoon. It sees around 30-40 children each week. It consists of an army-type tent, open at the ends, and a floor made of pallets that float on top of the mud. Everything is covered with a layer of dirt. Paper gets damp too quickly and it is impossible to look after resources there, so the small number of amazing teachers who run it - I met British and French people - have to rely on their ingenuity and resilience. The children were wonderful; I was helping six year olds learn their numbers. In all of that mud, damp and cold, wrapped up in coats, chests rattling from infections, they still smiled and laughed and tried to teach me Kurdish.

There is some hope for the Dunkirk children. A new camp is being built by Médecins Sans Frontières. For those who are able to move to it, the conditions will be much better. The Brighton Build shelter project, Hummingbird project and Brighton Bridge are working together to create a new school and family centre in the camp, which you can support here.

This is the humanitarian side of this crisis, which must be acknowledged. I am not looking at politics, I am looking at people – and they need our help.

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RebeccaMumsnet · 01/03/2016 09:26

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TaraCarter · 01/03/2016 09:28

Talk about shooting the messenger! Shock

The OP is not keeping the presence of the children secret from the French equivalent of Social Services! Far from it, if it wasn't for her, you wouldn't know about them either.

Obviously there is no governmental will, nationally or locally, to treat furrin children on a par with native French children. Britain has had a few problems in that area too

So, what are we going to do about it? I suggest not blaming the messenger.

CoteDAzur · 01/03/2016 09:44

I'm pretty sure that French social services have a mandate to serve French people and foreigners who are legally resident in the country. Calais refugee camp is probably not under their mandate at all.

I don't even know what to make of the suggestion that OP should have taken a child out of the camp to a restaurant (crepe? really?) while waiting for French social services who will no doubt in your dreams show up in shining armour in half an hour.

Seriously, have any of you had any dealings with French government services? Or even any French person in a professional capacity? I'm guessing the answer is "No", just from the assumption that they will jump up to attention and run to be useful to some restaurant where you have kidnapped taken a refugee child.

Even if they did (which they won't), do you genuinely expect French authorities to force a child or his family to demand asylum in France against their will?

TresDesolee · 01/03/2016 09:53

This is a really moving post OP. Thank you for sharing and thank you for standing up for basic human decency.

But shocked by the tone of some of the responses; sorry you've had a hard time on here.

I'll donate to the school build project. Link again here: chuffed.org/project/a-school-for-dunkirk

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 10:02

I'm still interested in the ages of the unaccompanied children? I think we are being given the impression that they are toddlers and young children but actually they are older 'teens'. Which is why you can't force them to be fingerprinted and claim asylum in France if they don't want to be or have been told not to by the person who funded their journey.
And as for them tagging along etc - possibly towards the end of their journey but people smugglers aren't charities. Someone paid them.
They have no respect for human live - why they send out dilapidated boats with not enough fuel, hoping they get rescued by the EU but not really caring if they do. They have been paid whether those people make it or not, the more worthless the boat the better as they don't expect to get it back. It is about the bottom line -there will be no-one who hasn't paid in some way or another for a space on a boat. (Didn't one man prostitute his wife to the smugglers as payment?)
I said it on the other thread - you could empty the camp in Calais - let the few thousand into the UK, no big deal. But if you did the camp would just fill up again and keep filling in even larger numbers. And by doing that you are encouraging people to risk their lives on the boats, crossing deserts, etc and lining the pockets of criminals, the people smugglers. Encourage families to send their young teenage sons ahead to try and get a foothold. You would become responsible for those deaths. (As Angela Merkel is already for her open door policy).

And my DP is the son of NA immigrants and ended up in the French care system. Many years ago now but if anything their care system was much better than the UK one seems to be. He was 'looked after' (found work, educated, had sheltered accommodation) until he was 21.

BrittEkland · 01/03/2016 10:05

Fourmummy .... "The containers are being taken up on a first come first served basis. Women and children are not being prioritised for places in the containers. Why not? What happened to the almost-universally accepted principle of 'women and children ' (aka, the most vulnerable) first? I would expect aid workers to do their utmost to ensure that spaces were given to the most vulnerable members of societies. Who has taken these spaces so that vulnerable chidren don't have access to them?"

The status of women is very low in the men's societies. Even having a child with her, a man from that background would never give up his place in a container or anywhere else.

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 10:15

Cote actually I was really impressed by the French authorities quite recently. DP needed a copy of his birth certificate to renew his passport. The embassy gave him the right contact details (and advised him to ignore the websites who said he needed to pay a fee). He made two phone calls and sent an email to his former local authority and received a copy in the post - all for no charge. And it took a couple of days, mainly the time it was in the post from France to UK.
Never tried in the UK but I don't think it would be as easy and efficient...

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CoteDAzur · 01/03/2016 10:17

I think it's different when you are accessing a mostly-automated system like renewing a document.

Try calling up a government organisation like social services and telling them that it's their job to do something and you demand them to show up and do it Smile

unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 10:22

cote that was what I was most impressed about - he actually spoke to a real person, got their name etc, they personally dealt with it. (And for various reasons I won't go into it wasn't that straight forward)

One of the most frustrating things I find with UK government bodies (and actually companies too) is automated services...a slight deviation from a norm and the computer says no...and humans can't override them...

TresDesolee · 01/03/2016 10:24

Britt, I did wonder whether lots of the people posting here are from the Cologne threads.

I've found the direction of those threads quite disturbing and I think it's a measure of the mindset on them that posters used to those threads can be so grossly unpleasant to a woman who's giving up her time and energy to look after lost, traumatised, orphaned or unaccompanied children thousands of miles from home.

Political disagreements are one thing but the tone is uncomfortably close to Katie Hopkins's comments about cockroaches. Personally I find the tone incredibly creepy and frightening and genuinely reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

TaraCarter · 01/03/2016 10:30

unlucky Last time I did it in the UK, it cost something less than a tenner (£8.50?) and arrived within a week.

Blerg · 01/03/2016 10:40

OP thanks for your post. Extremely timely and important given the relative lack of media coverage.

I am shocked at the tone of some replies. I can only assume some people are so uncomfortable with the reality of a human rights failure like this that they chose to buy into a narrative of crazy left wing volunteers deliberately hiding children from the oh so compassionate and benevolent French state. It is clearly not a case of 'oh, just ring French Social Services' - many highly qualified, experienced and knowledgeable people are trying every legal avenue they can to address this.

Meanwhile in the face of terrible and / or patchy NGO response to the camps (and UK and French government) volunteers like OP who go in and spend their free time, their money and good will on helping people with food, clothes and basic necessities needed to sustain life for fucks sake get criticised on here as if they want to see families, children and fellow humans living in the mud. To those posters - have a word with yourself.

BrittEkland · 01/03/2016 10:42

TresDesolee, We may sound creepy but when you are dealing with the regressive Left and their longterm aims for Europe, our fear is understandable.

When Merkel invited in migrants, the majority uncheckable and pretending to be from countries they are not, what do you think was behind her decision? At the time I remember her fatuous comment that Germany's pension pot for future retirees was very low and Germany needed a top-up of workers. Looking at what has occurred with UK's immigrants, VERY few will actually ever work or contribute in taxes. The reason for this is several-fold but is connected to lack of skills, aptitude and total inexperience of having to get up 5 days a week, travel to work for a certain time and stay there for 7 hours.

One MN poster wrote about an Eritrean who had been given work in the local library, easy work. But he turns his back when asked to do tasks (that might be because it is a woman giving out the tasks), leaves the library whenever he wants to, never explains where he's been - BUT the council has told the library that he is unsackable because the library wants to show other Africans in the area that the library is for their use. This is abusing other employees of the library, and using this chap as a poster boy regardless of his lack of worth ethic.

I have no problem with volunteers in Calais, but I do with the migrants. My parents were stateless refugees and you do not behave like this is you are seeking sanctuary.

emilybohemia · 01/03/2016 11:02

It is fine to discuss and question,but the constant accusations re political allegiances are tiring and unpleasant. There are all sorts of people volounteering in Calais, including a pastor. All sorts of people sympathise. A Tory politician was visiting there yesterday who was horrified by what was going on.

The op can't solve this but she can make a difference to their lives and that is what she has done. If it wasn't for people like her, the kids would be completely alone. I ask myself what if it were my child. I am so glad there are peoplelike you, op.

'Political disagreements are one thing but the tone is uncomfortably close to Katie Hopkins's comments about cockroaches. Personally I find the tone incredibly creepy and frightening and genuinely reminiscent of 1930s Germany'.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. I have uploaded a table, 'the path to genocide' from The Holocaust Memorial Day Trust. It states how deumanising language is always part of the path to genocide.

I feel that some of the reporting of the eviction by the BBC has been irresponsible and contributes to the dehumanisation of the vulnerable people there too.

Guest post: "These are the lost children of Europe"
unlucky83 · 01/03/2016 11:17

tara was that a UK BC in the UK?
Now add in the complication that you are asking for it from a foreign country... and like I said not straight forward...
(long story but his original one had been corrected twice - originally had a seemingly random surname only corrected as a teen, then a spelling mistake... his dad was a bit dodgy really (dead now so can't find out more))

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 01/03/2016 11:34

The French government’s top official for the Pas-de-Calais region said families and individuals considered particularly vulnerable would be granted priority access to the new shelter.

Read more: metro.co.uk/2016/01/12/theres-a-brand-new-refugee-shelter-in-calais-made-from-shipping-containers-5618731/#ixzz41eNFKFUl

We expect to welcome around 140 people today and then around 50 daily over the coming weeks,’ said regional prefect Fabienne Buccio, who hopes to be able to persuade those arriving there to seek asylum in France or elsewhere in Europe.

‘We want migrants to come here and rethink their entire journey with the help of associations and authorities. They need to understand that it is now impossible to reach the United Kingdom from here.’

Read more: metro.co.uk/2016/01/12/theres-a-brand-new-refugee-shelter-in-calais-made-from-shipping-containers-5618731/#ixzz41eMltIvY

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 01/03/2016 11:36

It is fine to discuss and question,but the constant accusations re political allegiances are tiring and unpleasant

Whats tiring and unpleasant is gas lighting from certain posters who refuse to acknowledge the huge problems facing migrants from many areas including Far Left Groups.

I am not sure how caring and sweet it is, to condemn Far Rights groups and the UK for abusing the migrants but ignoring massive problems caused by the Far Left.

BrittEkland · 01/03/2016 11:45

This case concerned three unaccompanied minors and their dependent adult brother from Syria who had been living in the ‘Jungle’ camp in Calais, France and who had family members resident in the UK. The details of the case have now been made public. The Tribunal ruled that upon written application for asylum to the French Authorities the four individuals be allowed to travel to the UK to be reunited with their family where they would have their asylum claim processed in the UK. The case was extremely complex and is summarised below.

www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/374

Someone managed to get to the case to tribunal, so why are the current adult migrants not doing the same? It has to be done thru French officialdom because that is where they are.

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 01/03/2016 12:12

Front page Of The Times today.

"Migrants and British Anarchists clashed with riot police in Calais"

^ Front page.

" Police who were pelted with stones responded with tear gas and water cannon as they tried to protect workers removing tents in the jungle camp."

This is utterly shocking.

" Gas canisters exploded in the heat and a crowd of hundreds - migrants and left wingers from Britain and Europe - whooped in delight."

" According to a French charity worker who looked on in dismay, the activists behind the violence care little for the migrants they claim to support. 'They are only interested in their political agenda of confrontation with the state'" .

"social workers were due to be sent into the camp, but were post poned after social workers were confronted by the activists.

"The activists told the migrants they would be deported if they left Calais, this is a lie"

It not be more clear that activists are causing massive problems there.

This is why I find some posters saying " they fired tear gas at children today" odd and disingenuous because this ^^ is the the picture of whats going on.

TresDesolee · 01/03/2016 12:13

OP - can you say any more about why NGOs aren't working with the children? Are the NGOs allowed into the camps?

It feels as though the UK and French governments are doing pantomime politics at each other while failing in their human rights responsibilities to these people.

BrittEkland · 01/03/2016 12:58

Thanks, Buds. As I've always said, refugees do not behave like this, they do not fight with the police of a safe country. Refugees are just happy to be in a safe country and however long it takes to establish a new life, that's how long it takes.

Calaisvolunteer · 01/03/2016 13:39

NGOs are not allowed in the camps -they have to be invited in by the French government. There are now observers from some of the groups, including Save the Children, but they are not allowed to work overtly in the camp.

Yvette Cooper has added her voice once again about the children in the camp. If people from our government cannot persuade the French to change their approach, how can individual volunteers?

The containers were initially promised to the most vulnerable but when I was there I counted just 24 containers for families. Unaccompanied children have not been allowed in them as they need an adult with them. 48 spaces were said in court to have been created for them as of last week. Calais Court Case The spaces were not allocated to the most vulnerable in the end. Promises have not been kept.

I would imagine many people would fight to keep the little shelter they have, rather than be turfed out with nowhere to go. Especially when they have created a sense of community, have access to food, water, medical aid.

hibbleddible · 01/03/2016 14:19

I am glad that some people are asking the difficult, but sensible questions here.

The people appear to be living in these camps by choice, so that they can try to illegally enter the UK, and claim our much more generous financial help to asylum seekers. Clearly this is a situation which needs to be resolved.

Regarding the unaccompanied minors, I do not believe for a second that French social services would or could refuse to recognise them. If they had an under 16 who was unaccompanied they would be obliged to provide a safe home, I would imagine a foster home. Can anyone reliably confirm otherwise?

exLtEveDallas · 01/03/2016 14:39

I can believe it, easily. If the authorities don't acknowledge them, then they cannot be held responsible for them. I saw that first hand in Bosnia. We cleared a village that had suffered extensive bombing. Amongst the survivors were a group of children whose parents had been killed in the previous weeks - 12 kids, the youngest was 5.

Our 'team' couldn't find anyone to take these kids in - there were no authorities as such, the UN wouldn't help, NATO couldn't help, the NGOs didn't have any room or experience with unaccompanied kids. MSF was only just on the scene and didn't have the resources. No-one was willing to take on a group of orphaned children from different ethnic and religious backgrounds. They ended up in the British run NATO HQ for months (illegally) before being moved to Split where the Red Cross finally took over. This was in a multinational area where I was working with Brits, Dutch, Belgian, American, Malaysian and Norweigan personnel both military and civilian.

Even if the adults there are at fault, why are the children being punished?

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