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Guest post: "My son was almost abducted – but I won't stop him walking home alone"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 21/01/2016 15:36

Just before Christmas, our nine-year-old son was nearly abducted.

It was 4.45pm, and he was walking home after Minecraft club. He had stopped to stroke a cat that lives near our street when a van drew up beside him. The man inside leaned across. "I've got some sweets," he said. "If you get in, you can have some."

Our son said, very politely, that he lived just round the corner and had an appointment to get back for. The man scowled at him and drove off.

Our boy watched to make sure the van was out of sight before running for home. When he got back, he was breathless. I suggested he use his inhaler – which was when he casually mentioned that he'd been running because a man in a van had offered him sweets.

It's odd how your brain works in situations like this: I was simultaneously shocked and blasé. Here was my son, safe at home – I couldn't believe that someone would be stupid enough to use the sweets line. In fact, I could barely comprehend that it had even happened.

I did know, however, that I had to raise the alarm. I dialled 999, and then posted a message onto a school Care and Share site. I emailed and phoned his school.

While I went through these steps, I felt like a bit player in a soap opera. I spend so much time persuading myself that it is extremely unlikely that anything bad will happen – avoiding scaremongering, hysteria, TV crime dramas and detective novels – that I could hardly believe that this had happened to our child, in our neighbourhood.

The immediate surge of comments responding to my post brought the impact of the situation home. It showed me how frightened people are of this kind of event – and it also confirmed our son's story: another boy had seen the same man just before, and had also been frightened enough to run home.

After speaking to the school and the police, news spread fast. I was repeatedly asked by other parents whether I would let him keep walking. To start with, I stoutly asserted that I would, aware of the look in other parents' eyes. As the days trickled by, though, both my son and I lost our nerve. I went back to picking him up.

After a few days, the investigating officer called. He suggested that perhaps it hadn't been what I thought it was. He said, "Can I ask what your son was doing, walking home at 4.45pm?" I couldn't take it in. Was he really insinuating that it was my fault that my child had been approached? That by encouraging my son to walk home independently, I was essentially setting him up to be assaulted?

I live with a constant feeling that I am being judged as negligent as I strive to give my children greater independence. The policeman's words only reinforced this worry. I'm so tired of the negative scrutiny levelled at mothers, explicitly and implicitly, bullying them into overprotective behaviour which, in the end, actually harms their children. And, at least in my experience, it does always seem to be mothers who are seen to be at fault. The policeman didn't say anything to my husband.

Am I frightened of our boy being approached again? Of course I am – it's my job to worry about our children, as it is my husband's – but it's also our job to let them go. Children need to seize their independence. How else will they learn how to handle it? Our children are taught 'stranger danger' – and they also instinctively know when someone's a wrong 'un. Our son took it in his stride. Why are we trying to take that victory away from him?

We are letting him walk alone again now. He's very happy, and has been thriving at school. Last week he ran to help an elderly lady with her heavy bag on his way home.

I don't think the streets are the preserve of a handful of predators: I think the streets are for everyone, especially our children. I'm going to live by the advice of the policewoman who came to our house the night of the attempted abduction. She looked my son in the eyes and told him not to stop walking to school: "Never forget," she said, "your independence goes forwards, not backwards."

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Cleensheetsandbedding · 21/01/2016 22:47

It's kind of ironic that you expect people 'to get of their bums' to watch out for other folks children when you are applauding the op for not wanting to watch her own.

The only person responsible for the safety of your child is you. You can not expect a community to do your own safe guarding. It's your responsibility to make sure your child get from A - B safe.

If you choose to let your child walk home from from somewhere alone that's a risk that you take and be it on your shoulders. But to still take that risk even after an attempt abduction on your child then that's irresponsible. The child's nine. He doesn't need 'letting go'

Movingonmymind · 21/01/2016 22:52

How sad. It takes a village to raise a child, we're all responsible, parents most of all of course. The off your bum quote was ironic, obviously and quoting a pp! And Hmm and God help society! See some of the earlier slightly more rationale posters for alternative views to these knee jerk reactions. Sill someone's got to be reading all the tabloids I suppose.

Purplecan4 · 21/01/2016 23:09

Sorry OP, I think you are wrong. Knowing that there is a weirdo about who has tried to abduct at least two children you know of, you still allow your son to walk alone. Has it occurred to you that the guy was unsuccessful in his attempts to entice kids with sweets, so next time, he may pull up beside the kid, ask them the time or for directions and then just grab the child into the van using force? Unless your 9yo is some sort of mutant ninja, he'll be only about 4foot something tall, weighing about 5 stone. A grown man will have no trouble scooping him up. With one hand.

"Independence" is bollocks at this age. Instead of being responsible for the child yourself, you have made Joe Public responsible for him by letting him out alone.

It's nothing to do with victim blaming either. We all take precautions every day that are sad and that we shouldn't need to. We lock our doors and windows. We shred things with our name and address on. The fact is, some people are criminals and the rest of us take steps to avoid being their victims.

And as for the paedos round the corner - well there are paedos round some corners and we don't know which ones! Game of Russian roulette?

Cleensheetsandbedding · 21/01/2016 23:17

Calm down moving we are all entitled to a different opinion.

I don't think there are monsters on every corner, nor do a lot of people but they still like to make sure their children get home safe. safe from being run over, safe from bullies, safe from being little devils when they should be being responsible, safe from being approached by strangers.

I teach sport to a community albeit a small one. There have been a few times when I've been leaving work and found a straggler wandering around and I've pulled over and phoned their parents. I once many moons ago found a toddler that had wandered out of her gate crossed a road and was crying. I phoned the police- believe it or not. But ultimately our children are our own responsibility.

If you don't want to walk your child home you can't expect others to watch them for you.

DixieNormas · 21/01/2016 23:26

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GlitterGlassEye · 21/01/2016 23:45

I've had a few men stop me back in the late 90's, early 00's. Dirty perverts. I was a teenager. No fucking way would I let my dc out unsupervised. It's dark this time of year. This is the season where my dcs social life comes to a halt unless they're in friends houses in the same street. Even then we watch them get to their front door from the driveway to make sure!

MytwinisMilaKunis · 21/01/2016 23:48

How frightening for you and your son op.

There is no way in hell I would let my 9 year old walk home alone in the dark while there is a predator actively looking to abduct young boys.

No way in hell. It is just not worth the risk. There are plenty of other ways you can teach independence.

JohnThomas69 · 22/01/2016 04:27

When I was 10 or 11 the son of a local Asian shop keeper used to stop his car and play 'don't you want me' by the human league while hanging out the window mouthing the words. Never thought much of it at the time and never hung about to ask his motives(I had never spoken to him prior) but it happened on more than a few occasions. Hadn't ever given it much thought but this post reminded me. Seems quite sinister now when I think back. The signs for danger were never communicated to kids back then. Education and reminders are invaluable.

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 22/01/2016 06:19

The OP's blog suggests she is in North London.

(to the pp (sorry, forgot name) who thought she may be in the Netherlands)

MrsCampbellBlack · 22/01/2016 06:25

I think 9 is too young when it is dark as it would have been at 4.45pm before Christmas.

I let my 11 year old (so senior school) walk a little bit in the dark. In fact our primary school wouldn't let children walk home unaccompanied in the dark.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 22/01/2016 06:44

ThenLater, that was me (indeed not the easiest name to remember :) ) and I knew she was in the UK but assumed she came from the Netherlands and has therefore brought cultural attitudes with her - just as I, a Brit in Germany, haven't joined in wholesale with the 'my kid walks to school alone at 6/7' culture because of my British cultural attitudes which consider that too young and unsafe. I am guessing Ingrid is, like me, striking a balance between what she is familiar with and considers appropriate and what her current environment considers so.

I'm quite saddened, like a PP, at the personal, attacking tone of many of the posts here. The OP made a parenting call that many of us would not have done - I said myself I wouldn't have, because of it being dark at that time (letting your child come home alone is easier in the land of the 1pm school finish) - but I get the sense that she is attempting to balance safety against the desire to foster independence and the ability to cope with various scenarios - and this boy mastered this one perfectly, although it's obviously one everyone wishes he had never been confronted with. I'm sure very few people here would blame a woman walking alone at night if an attack were to befall her. Similarly, I don't think it's OK to blame a mother for letting her sensible 9yo undertake a reasonable activity (i.e. one he is capable of in all respects - direction, road safety, reliability etc) on an independent basis because someone else has criminal intent.

Aposey · 22/01/2016 07:12

Exactly Hetronormative, in the Netherlands it is much more normal for primary school children to walk to school alone.

Why is it seen as appropriate there and not here? I do wonder, surely we dont have that many more paedophiles here? As a PP mentioned, if it was the norm for everyone to walk then there would be more people looking out for each other. The Dutch also seem allergic to closing their curtains, so may be more aware of their neighbourhood and less closed off to the world?

And there is a lot of victim blaming on this thread- if this was an adult woman being targeted would we ever think it ok to say that all women should not go out alone after dark?! Clearly in this case the OP's child was capable of walking home alone, really the age is irrelevant since that is a level of awareness that is different for everyone- but are you all really saying that in the case of a (very rare) stranger abduction that it is partly the mothers fault not the perpetrator?

Sunnybitch · 22/01/2016 08:15

The victim though is not the op, It's the 9 year old boy and nobody is blaming him as far as i can see. And tbh a grown woman probably wouldn't stand much of a chance against a grown man wanting to abduct her let alone a 9 year old child.

Prettyinblue · 22/01/2016 08:19

My son has in his short nine years:
Been a car crash
Run out into the road and nearly hit by a car
Turned upside down in a rubber ring
Been threatened to be stabbed in the park (I was nearby!)
Broken an arm climbing a tree
Been in hospital with a severe high temperature after catching a virus at school.

So should I never let him out the house.

Life is full of risks, awful things happen, my close family member was raped and killed, I know it's a fucked up world. But to live a life fearful of what ifs is no life.

CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 09:04

My 10-yr-old walks & takes public bus to school and back home - in the centre of town, with her friends.

No way would I tell her to walk home alone and in the dark, especially knowing that a paedophile predator is out and about. And that despite her being tall for her age, with a nearly-adult height.

CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 09:06

"And tbh a grown woman probably wouldn't stand much of a chance against a grown man wanting to abduct her let alone a 9 year old child."

Would you walk home alone in the dark, to make a point about independence and streets not being just for predators, if you knew that there was a man trying to abduct women in your town? Because that's what OP is doing.

AnnaBanana11 · 22/01/2016 09:21

Aposey- yes of course it's the parents fault if they're aware that there's a predator in the area who has tried to abduct their child - and STILL they let the child walk home on their own.

You can discuss all day long victim blaming but that's just not the issue here. It's called protecting your child and doing the responsible thing. I actually don't know how this woman rests easy at home when her little boy is walking back.

Jw35 · 22/01/2016 09:23

There's safety in numbers imo. Fair enough with a friend, not near fast roads age 9 but not alone in the dark. My dd is 12 and I'd love her to walk home (it's about 2 miles and she needs the exercise)! but she's got nobody to go with.

When I was a kid I was one of 4 (we're all 19 months apart or less) and I grew up in the 80's. We went everywhere alone from a fairly young age. A couple of times we did have trouble-a man took an interest in my younger sister and would pick her up in the street and call her 'my (her name)'. We told our mum and she told her to kick him and bite him next time! She did which was awkward and he never bothered her again.

On another occasion me and my sister were sexually abused (once)by an old man who lived in the upstairs flat in our block (I was 6 and she was 5). My mumfound out and took us to the police station where we denied it all! We were also bullied by older kids, beaten up a few times and been in dangerous situations. For example once I went into a fast moving reservoir to try and retrieve my sisters shoe! I got a smack for that.

None of that was ideal and yet I still think back to the 'good old days' when we were allowed more freedom and plenty of fresh air!

The point is balance. Children need freedom, independence and lots of fresh air and outdoor play. They need to take risks, explore and get muddy. They also need to be kept safe. These days we have gone too far the other way, terrified of danger and potential adductors and abusers.

The answer is to find the balance between giving enough freedom and not being ignorant. It's tough and one persons perception of danger is different to another. It depends where you live too. The bad stuff happened when we live in London, after that we moved to Wales and had a much easier time in the country. That doesn't mean the country is safe but it proved safer in that sense (although I was swept out to sea once)!

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 22/01/2016 09:26

Grin hetronormative (got it!) I have friends in the Netherlands and their children seem to be biking hither and yon from the age of about 4!

I, meanwhile, am in Italy, where mammies and daddies accompany their adult children to university every morning......and their married adult children to the GP....and..... Wink

I don't think the OP is wrong to continue to allow her son to continue to walk home if that is what he has been doing for some time. We make risk assessments for our children every day of the week. And it's up to us to do that. Personally? Dd has just started coming home on her own at 12. Not because I think there is any stranger danger (she is statistically more likely to die in an aircrash or be struck by lightning than be abducted by a man in a white van and statistically isn't it something like 90%+ of any form of violence or abuse comes from, if not a family member then at least someone who the victim knows in some way hence Soham) but because she has to cross a dual carriageway and Italians are maniacs on the road.

I find some of the reactions to the OP very strange. And when I clicked on the thread I imagined it would go completely differently to how it seems to be going. Threads in "normal" Active on the same topic tend to take a different direction.

I find the whole premise of the man in the van offering sweets a 70s style cliche to be honest that maybe is colouring our view of what the OP is saying (that she is focusing on the importance of independence and the freedom for her child to walk home and stroke the cat he meets on the way etc (from her blogpost Smile) It almost harks back to the old "bogeyman" in the woods scenario and seems to be making people feel the way we all did back then. I remember as a child that we were constantly being told not to talk to strangers, not to accept anything from anybody etc etc.

Natsku · 22/01/2016 09:27

The son did the right thing, sounds like he is a sensible lad.

An incident occurred last summer when my 4 year old was riding her bike up and down the pavement on our street while I hung up the washing - I was inside fetching the washing, gone about ten minutes, and a drunk man approached my daughter, made her get off her bike and grabbed her arm and tried to drag her off.

She did the right thing instinctively (I had never talked to her about this before) and refused to move and screamed on the top of her voice. I heard her and came over and the man let go, after asking if she was my child. He then tried to follow us and harassed me (asking me where I live and if I have a husband). All in all, a very traumatising event for my daughter (she suffered from nightmares for months after and was scared to go outside for a few days)

However, she still plays outside now without me right there. The police caught the man, I talked with them and they assured me that this kind of thing is extremely rare, as in this was the only time something like this had happened in our town in their memory. I don't let the fear of strangers stop her developing age-appropriate independence (and here in Finland, in my town and area, it is appropriate at this age to play out in the immediate area, by 1st grade kids are usually walking to and from school by themselves, often home alone for a few hours in the afternoon, certainly by 3rd grade).

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 22/01/2016 09:35

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1505463-to-get-very-confused-by-scares-hysteria-real-dangers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1582562-Child-murder-statistics-the-reality

It's tough. There's no easy answer. But I still don't think the OP is wrong for letting her child walk home.

Sunnybitch · 22/01/2016 09:37

coteDAzur like hell I would...no chance! And that's what I'm saying, it's all well and good saying that kids need independence and that, but to still allow your child to walk home alone after a near abduction and when the man, for all you know, is still in the area as he's not been caught, is just....words fail me. There is no way I'd chance it, my babies are more important to me than trying to prove a point.

amarmai · 22/01/2016 10:00

Thing is it's not possible to prevent all the bad things that can happen. My boys were 2 &4 when we were in a local open air mall . I was right there with them when a car stopped just ahead and an arm holding a choco bar was stuck out by the passenger. My 2 year old was heading for it when my 4 year old stopped him and i stood there with my brain frozen in disbelief . I was right there with them when other accidents happened -wish i cd have had the foresight to prevent it all. Shd mothers be blamed for all the accidents that befall their cc? When we make judgement calls each and every day, shd we always say no just in case? Our cc will take their freedom sooner or later. Better to prepare them for it step by step.

dorisdog · 22/01/2016 10:44

I hope your son is feeling better and coping ok. Someone tried to abduct me when I was 5 (on our estate ALL the kids played in the park from about aged 4). It made me nervous and quiet for a while, but I got over it fairly quickly. Well done for not losing your nerve. Of course 9 yr olds can walk to school alone. My daughter's done it since she was 8/9. She was desperate to walk to school from age 6 onwards! It's a pretty safe, rural area, but I still worried (of course!). She's now 13 and I still worry everyday, about pretty much everything - but hey, weighing up risks and worrying is what being a parent is all about!

No-one's to blame here except nasty people who try and abduct children.

Good luck

bibbitybobbityyhat · 22/01/2016 10:45

I come down on the side of not agreeing with your stance on this, op.

There is a man operating very close to where you live who has approached at least two young boys that you know of walking home alone in the dark.

The risk you are taking makes me feel uneasy (and my children have had a lot more independence than many in London).