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Guest post: "My son was almost abducted – but I won't stop him walking home alone"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 21/01/2016 15:36

Just before Christmas, our nine-year-old son was nearly abducted.

It was 4.45pm, and he was walking home after Minecraft club. He had stopped to stroke a cat that lives near our street when a van drew up beside him. The man inside leaned across. "I've got some sweets," he said. "If you get in, you can have some."

Our son said, very politely, that he lived just round the corner and had an appointment to get back for. The man scowled at him and drove off.

Our boy watched to make sure the van was out of sight before running for home. When he got back, he was breathless. I suggested he use his inhaler – which was when he casually mentioned that he'd been running because a man in a van had offered him sweets.

It's odd how your brain works in situations like this: I was simultaneously shocked and blasé. Here was my son, safe at home – I couldn't believe that someone would be stupid enough to use the sweets line. In fact, I could barely comprehend that it had even happened.

I did know, however, that I had to raise the alarm. I dialled 999, and then posted a message onto a school Care and Share site. I emailed and phoned his school.

While I went through these steps, I felt like a bit player in a soap opera. I spend so much time persuading myself that it is extremely unlikely that anything bad will happen – avoiding scaremongering, hysteria, TV crime dramas and detective novels – that I could hardly believe that this had happened to our child, in our neighbourhood.

The immediate surge of comments responding to my post brought the impact of the situation home. It showed me how frightened people are of this kind of event – and it also confirmed our son's story: another boy had seen the same man just before, and had also been frightened enough to run home.

After speaking to the school and the police, news spread fast. I was repeatedly asked by other parents whether I would let him keep walking. To start with, I stoutly asserted that I would, aware of the look in other parents' eyes. As the days trickled by, though, both my son and I lost our nerve. I went back to picking him up.

After a few days, the investigating officer called. He suggested that perhaps it hadn't been what I thought it was. He said, "Can I ask what your son was doing, walking home at 4.45pm?" I couldn't take it in. Was he really insinuating that it was my fault that my child had been approached? That by encouraging my son to walk home independently, I was essentially setting him up to be assaulted?

I live with a constant feeling that I am being judged as negligent as I strive to give my children greater independence. The policeman's words only reinforced this worry. I'm so tired of the negative scrutiny levelled at mothers, explicitly and implicitly, bullying them into overprotective behaviour which, in the end, actually harms their children. And, at least in my experience, it does always seem to be mothers who are seen to be at fault. The policeman didn't say anything to my husband.

Am I frightened of our boy being approached again? Of course I am – it's my job to worry about our children, as it is my husband's – but it's also our job to let them go. Children need to seize their independence. How else will they learn how to handle it? Our children are taught 'stranger danger' – and they also instinctively know when someone's a wrong 'un. Our son took it in his stride. Why are we trying to take that victory away from him?

We are letting him walk alone again now. He's very happy, and has been thriving at school. Last week he ran to help an elderly lady with her heavy bag on his way home.

I don't think the streets are the preserve of a handful of predators: I think the streets are for everyone, especially our children. I'm going to live by the advice of the policewoman who came to our house the night of the attempted abduction. She looked my son in the eyes and told him not to stop walking to school: "Never forget," she said, "your independence goes forwards, not backwards."

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/01/2016 10:54

I think the OP has a good point and is doing the right thing. So many people in this thread saying their kids will go alone at secondary school - do they suddenly magically become immune to abduction at that age? Usually secondary is further away as well, so surely better to let kids learn to manage risk a little bit at a time, rather than suddenly sending them off on their own at 11?

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CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 11:01

If I were living in OP's town where there is a paedophile trying to kidnap 9-year-olds walking home alone, I would not be telling an 11-year-old to walk home alone in the dark either.

Surely that is just common sense. Magically acquiring new abilities as one enters secondary school has nothing to do with it.

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Katarzyna79 · 22/01/2016 11:13

i dont agree with OP or the policewoman, theres a known predator in area and you think about your rights to independence how selfish and irresponsible? The policewoman should have imparted better advice i think she was stupid. Sorry if i come scross as harsh ive been followed countless times as a uni student and i was stalked for a year i left work for mysafety and the problem resolved. Yes i thght it unfaur hut did i think to hell with it ill be martyr for my independence, no i was tjinking i might he the nwxt news headline.

I have a 9 yr old i was about the sane age when i was knockrd down and my life changed for a year. Ive seen my son crosding ges not vigilant enough sn walks across like hea got all the time in the world, that alone is enough plus its busy rds to school country lane.. I know in secondary school a van was circling our school and managed to grab a few kids. Luckily they had sense and bravery to break through the back door screaming whilsr the vehicle was moving otherwise only god knows what woukd have occurred. Our school banned kids going out for lunch, since thats when it occurred. They also had teachers outside gates making sure every1 including 16+ students had a lift or were going home in groups.

i would say if ur son walks at the very least walk witg a friend or two or not at all. Why risk it?

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 11:51

Some of the comments the OP has received (both on this thread and described in her post) illustrate something my dad said when ds was born and I asked him to tell me if dh and I ever exhibited any "paranoid parenting".

He said that when I was young (in the 60s), if something were to happen to a child who'd gone to a shop on their own, then the perpetrator would be blamed. Nowadays, it would be the parent - and in particular the mother Hmm- who would be blamed.

Victim blaming in action.

FWIW OP - good on you for continuing to let your ds to walk home from school - and for having equipped him with the nous to sense danger.

We let ds walk home from school on his own from age 8 and by 9 he was walking to and from school. At 11 he was cycling to school on his own and at 12 he was cycling home on his own - all carefully judged increments.

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 11:57

....and the greater risk of abuse is in the home from family or "friends" than from strangers in the street. Hmm

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CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 12:01

"the greater risk of abuse is in the home from family or "friends" than from strangers in the street"

So we should only protect our children from the greatest risk and forget about the rest? I don't follow your logic.

Btw you mean probability. "Greater risk" is not the same thing as "greater probability".

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hmcAsWas · 22/01/2016 12:08

Only read the OP.

4.45pm in December is pitch dark outside. No I wouldn't and don't let my dc walk alone in the dark.

Entirely different when it is light outside - since there is more pedestrian traffic around, and it is probable that potential wrong doers (as rare as they are) will be more circumspect about attempting this kind of thing in broad day light

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hmcAsWas · 22/01/2016 12:09

Oh and both mine are secondary school age

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Vaginaaa · 22/01/2016 12:09

Yes, it's like saying more burglars get in through the door so don't bother closing your windows. Strange logic.

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Floggingmolly · 22/01/2016 12:09

If the worst happens, prettybird, does it actually matter who will be "blamed"? Would it really make a difference to your risk assessment if you could be sure all blame was (rightly, I agree) laid at the door of the perpetrator and your own conscience was clear? Confused
I'm flummoxed as to what actual difference it makes.

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 12:24

You're right - I meant to include the word probability. But you knew what I meant.

And yes, I am talking about relative risks. There is a minuscule probability of risk of a kid being abducted by a stranger. There is a much greater probability risk of achild being abused by someone they know.

We need to be aware of risks and do our best to minimise them. However when a risk is already minuscule, the. It is arguable that by over protecting kids and not letting them develop their own instincts, you are increasing the risk to them in future, as they are less able to judge danger for themselves.

I can understand why people are concerned about letting children walk to/from school because of traffic concerns - as that is so much higher than when I was young a loooong tone ago Blush (although a part of the change is the Catch 22 of the School Run Confused) - but the incidence of stranger abduction has not increased in the same way.

There is a spike in Road Traffic Accidents at 12, when children who are used to being supervised at all times are "free" to walk to secondary school on their own for the first time.

That was just one of the reasons why I made a conscious decision to increase incrementally ds' independence from a young age - from walking to the post box age 4 to beginning to walk home from school on his own from age 8 and then cycling on his own.

But I accept that different people assess relative risk and where it appears differently.

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CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 12:34

"However when a risk is already minuscule"

I wouldn't call the risk 'minuscule' in OP's case, with a known predator looking to abduct preteens in the neighbourhood.

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Enjoyingthepeace · 22/01/2016 12:35

We have our entire adults lived to be independent.

So what if for your childhood your not particularly in dependant and your parents don't allow you to walk home alone. It's not going to have any long term impact whatsoever, and the risks of it going wrong, although very slight, are just too catastrophic for me to bear.

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 12:36

As I said, we all assess risk differently. Yes, if something happened to ds, I would be distraught. But I'm not going to blame myself for encouraging his independence.

My mother died as a result of a cycling accident. Ds is a keen cyclist - but despite the accident, I don't stop him cycling. Shit happens and I'm not going to wrap him in cotton wool.

Ironically, the type of head injury that ultimately killed my mother is also a risk in his other sport, rugby. We are ultra aware of concussions but again, we don't stop him.

Life is a balancing act. We all have to make choices. We all hope and trust for the better.

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ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 22/01/2016 12:45

But the predator isn't "known" is he? If he were, presumably he'd have been arrested.

He's a man (black apparently, according to the OP's blog) in a white van. Who offered sweets and then scowled when the child ran off.

In North London. In December. In the evening. How many men are driving home in white vans at that time of the evening? Though I'm sure the police could probably have found him on CCTV if they'd looked and if the CCTV's were working. Aren't we all supposed to be filmed about 50 times a day or something?

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CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 12:49

There is a predator on the loose. That fact is known.

Did you really not understand what I was saying?

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 12:50

You see, that's where I disagree with you enjoyingthepeace - I think it does have a long term impact if we don't encourage independence and learning to develop our instinct for danger when we're younger.

I've already mentioned the spike in RTAs at 12. Now that's a real risk which could be avoided.

Because I knew ds was road safe, I had no issues with him walking home from secondary school - even in the dark after after school clubs (or the days when school only finishes at 4). It's about 1.5 miles along relatively quiet roads (and traffic lights at the busier junctions).

I'm sure I wouldn't have had the confidence to fly to France on my own at only 16, traverse Paris and get the train to the South of Paris to stay with a French family (whom I'd never met), including reporting my luggage missing at the airport, if my parents hadn't encouraged my own independence from a young age.

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Enjoyingthepeace · 22/01/2016 12:51

If you cycle and you have an accident, the result may be...

A grazed knee
A broken leg
A head in just
Death

If your child is successfully kidnapped, the the result may be ...
Rape
Murder
Rape and murder

There is no degree of severity in being kidnapped, whereas there are so many possible outcomes for a bike accident

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prettybird · 22/01/2016 12:53

And I think the predator would've moved on by now. How would you ever know? Keep the kids inside for the next 20 years on the basis he might still be hanging around? Confused

I do understand what you're saying.

I usually agree with your posts CotedAzure - but we have different opinions on this.

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CoteDAzur · 22/01/2016 12:59

Nothing wrong with different opinions.

I would not take the chance on "oh the predator must have moved on by now", personally.

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TheWildRumpyPumpus · 22/01/2016 13:13

Our village school will allow children to leave by themselves from year 3 - they are really keen on building their independence.

In our situation, small village with only 2 roads to cross (one zebra crossing, one church lane), I probably will let him walk in the next year if I'm not up there anyway for his Year 1 brother.

If I knew for a fact there was a predator in the area though, who knew my child's route home, it would be a different matter most likely!

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MineIsAGinAndTonic · 22/01/2016 13:14

I'm completely with you OP.
I have a nine year old and he walks home by himself. When I did pick him up he always ran ahead anyway and got home before me.
In eighteen months time my son will be walking to and from secondary school which is a darn site further away.

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Gallievans · 22/01/2016 14:04

I think letting him walk is a good idea but perhaps walking with him You son sounds as if he is sensible op, (and hats off for helping the lady) All children are different and we know pur own kids best. We've had instances like this in NWales, but we have to help our children develop. And for those of you who will flame me for being blase - yes, I do know about abuse. I was a witness in a trial. And it was within the victim's home - not a stranger. We have to teach our children respect for their bodies and those of others so they know when to yell

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kinkytoes · 22/01/2016 14:21

Does anyone know how earlier independence affects children in later life?

I'd assume they'll be more successful and more sure of themselves/their opinions.

I can't stand it when kids are wrapped up in cotton wool!

Wonder if anyone's ever looked into it.

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riodances27 · 22/01/2016 17:03

my son's gran was walking him to school for a week to help me out. She let him walk the final street on his own about an eighth of a mile. He was 9 but still in year 4.

Then my son told one of his teachers. I was called by one of the school secretaries and given a real 'dressing down'. Then gran was met by nearly 4 members of school staff when she went to pick him up. It was around this time I gave up working as I realized I couldn't manage it with three kids.

What makes me sad is all the unhealthy looking teenagers, some grossly overweight. I used to be on my bike at the age of 6 all afternoon. My kids are stuck in the house or trampoline and don't have the freedom I had.

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