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Guest post: "My son was almost abducted – but I won't stop him walking home alone"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 21/01/2016 15:36

Just before Christmas, our nine-year-old son was nearly abducted.

It was 4.45pm, and he was walking home after Minecraft club. He had stopped to stroke a cat that lives near our street when a van drew up beside him. The man inside leaned across. "I've got some sweets," he said. "If you get in, you can have some."

Our son said, very politely, that he lived just round the corner and had an appointment to get back for. The man scowled at him and drove off.

Our boy watched to make sure the van was out of sight before running for home. When he got back, he was breathless. I suggested he use his inhaler – which was when he casually mentioned that he'd been running because a man in a van had offered him sweets.

It's odd how your brain works in situations like this: I was simultaneously shocked and blasé. Here was my son, safe at home – I couldn't believe that someone would be stupid enough to use the sweets line. In fact, I could barely comprehend that it had even happened.

I did know, however, that I had to raise the alarm. I dialled 999, and then posted a message onto a school Care and Share site. I emailed and phoned his school.

While I went through these steps, I felt like a bit player in a soap opera. I spend so much time persuading myself that it is extremely unlikely that anything bad will happen – avoiding scaremongering, hysteria, TV crime dramas and detective novels – that I could hardly believe that this had happened to our child, in our neighbourhood.

The immediate surge of comments responding to my post brought the impact of the situation home. It showed me how frightened people are of this kind of event – and it also confirmed our son's story: another boy had seen the same man just before, and had also been frightened enough to run home.

After speaking to the school and the police, news spread fast. I was repeatedly asked by other parents whether I would let him keep walking. To start with, I stoutly asserted that I would, aware of the look in other parents' eyes. As the days trickled by, though, both my son and I lost our nerve. I went back to picking him up.

After a few days, the investigating officer called. He suggested that perhaps it hadn't been what I thought it was. He said, "Can I ask what your son was doing, walking home at 4.45pm?" I couldn't take it in. Was he really insinuating that it was my fault that my child had been approached? That by encouraging my son to walk home independently, I was essentially setting him up to be assaulted?

I live with a constant feeling that I am being judged as negligent as I strive to give my children greater independence. The policeman's words only reinforced this worry. I'm so tired of the negative scrutiny levelled at mothers, explicitly and implicitly, bullying them into overprotective behaviour which, in the end, actually harms their children. And, at least in my experience, it does always seem to be mothers who are seen to be at fault. The policeman didn't say anything to my husband.

Am I frightened of our boy being approached again? Of course I am – it's my job to worry about our children, as it is my husband's – but it's also our job to let them go. Children need to seize their independence. How else will they learn how to handle it? Our children are taught 'stranger danger' – and they also instinctively know when someone's a wrong 'un. Our son took it in his stride. Why are we trying to take that victory away from him?

We are letting him walk alone again now. He's very happy, and has been thriving at school. Last week he ran to help an elderly lady with her heavy bag on his way home.

I don't think the streets are the preserve of a handful of predators: I think the streets are for everyone, especially our children. I'm going to live by the advice of the policewoman who came to our house the night of the attempted abduction. She looked my son in the eyes and told him not to stop walking to school: "Never forget," she said, "your independence goes forwards, not backwards."

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Allyson1 · 21/01/2016 19:21

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SeptemberFlowers · 21/01/2016 19:26

Piss off Allyson

PuntCuffin · 21/01/2016 19:33

I wish I could let my 10 year old son walk to school. Sadly it is over 5 miles away. His previous school encouraged them to walk on their own from age 7 and had we still lived there, I would have too.

Some friends have reacted with horror that I let him go to the library on his own (on a bike, on roads) since age 8 or to the local shops since 9. Both are marginally further than to the nearest school which I regularly see younger kids walking to unaccompanied.

Different children mature at different rates and what is right for one parent/family/child won't be right for another.

To me it smacks of victim blaming that the OP should be expected to change her/her son's behaviour here.

LieInsAreExtinct · 21/01/2016 19:34

I agree with the spirit of the post, and do think 9 year olds should be allowed a bit of freedom, but although I am more inclined than most people I know, I have still not allowed my nearly 11 year old out, or to walk home after dark. It's just a bit young, I think.

bakeoffcake · 21/01/2016 19:46

Sorry but I think 9 is too young to be walking on his own. With a friend- maybe, but on his own, no! The driver could easily have gotten out of the van and forced your son into the van.

We all need to foster independence in our children but there is a balance. Can't he walk with a friend? Or you meet him half way?

Vaginaaa · 21/01/2016 19:48

Children do not know instinctively when someone is a "wrong un". They might do sometimes like adults do sometimes but to say they do know who to be wary of places a ridiculous amount of responsibility on children. Even adults get it wrong and end up in awful situations so why would you trust a nine year old to recognise a dangerous situation or person just because he recognised one occurrence of the main example (sweets and a van) that is drummed into children's heads? What if the man hadn't used such a stupid story? What if he hadn't taken the no from your son as an answer?

The outcome of this could have been very different.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 21/01/2016 19:55

I am guessing Ingrid is Dutch - many European countries have much more relaxed attitudes to this than in the UK. I live in Germany, where it is reasonably usual (no longer as ubiquitous as it once was, but still well within the norm) for children to walk to and from school alone from starting aged 6. I'm very much on the overprotective end of the scale for not letting my eldest come home alone until he was 9 and my younger son at 8 and a bit. (And neither are allowed to walk to school by themselves in the mornings, largely because of the traffic situation around their schools). I'm not comfortable with many of the freedoms young German kids have (it's also reasonably normal for 7-10yos to be left home alone for a couple of hours - which I view as more dangerous than the walking-home scenario tbh) but I do think the UK attitudes to this are overly cautious and sometimes lean a little towards the hysterical. Ingrid's son is 9 - too old to fall for the 'I've got some sweets' line. And violent abduction attempts can happen at older ages too. I think it's a good age to start some closely boundaried independence. (I must say I would not have allowed this in this particular instance, but this only because at 4.45pm in December it would have been nearly dark).

HeteronormativeHaybales · 21/01/2016 20:02

In response to a PP: My dc have had it drummed into them that they never, ever go with anyone, whether they know them or not, unless their father or I, or a teacher at school, have told them beforehand that they are being collected/met by that person. Even if it's their best friend's mum or whoever. That solves the problem of more sophisticated stories. Leaves only violence, and busy town streets in daylight are reasonably unlikely to foster that scenario.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 21/01/2016 20:13

I also tell my dc to back away from cars that atop near them. But I do think 9 is old enough to walk to school etc.
8 is the normal age where I live. For playing out, going to shop (2 mins) and walking short (5 min) distances too and from school (unless there are obvious dangers like busy roads, railways, parks etc).

I walked from age 5. 😨
I was approached once, when I was about 7. I said no and ran. I was a bit PO my parents didn't report it.

This thread makes me want to have another chat to the dc but not to stop them going out.

Mummanumerouno · 21/01/2016 20:18

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-kidnap-and-abduction-increase-as-crimes-come-under-greater-scrutiny-10062014.html

Enough said!

This Morning's police spokesman from Scotland Yard reported last year after the attempted abductions at a holiday resort abroad that actually abductions amongst older children are more common. The reason for this is because their parents think that because they are older, they should be allowed to be more independent!

At the tender age of 9 years old, children are exactly that, still children. Independence can be taught in so many ways without knowingly putting your child at risk.

Heatherjayne1972 · 21/01/2016 20:21

This was 4.45 on a winter evening? So it was quite dark presumably. No I wouldn't have let my 9 year old walk home alone at all in the first place -any number of things potentially could happen. You've had a close call here. If it was me I'd be there 5 mins early to collect.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 21/01/2016 20:27

"While the increases in child abduction and child kidnapping offences have been relatively high, the actual incidence of these offences is still relatively rare," the report said. “Including child kidnappings, 7.4 offences of child abduction or kidnapping were recorded per 100,000 children by police in England, Wales and Northern Ireland."

From the article linked above.

Bearing in mind this also includes abduction by a parent.
I wonder how many children per 100,000 are chronically unfit.

CadenceRoastingByAnOpenFire · 21/01/2016 20:46

Just before Christmas at 4.45 it would've been dark. I just wouldn't let a 9 year old walk home in the dark. I have children who are older and they have plenty of independence now. As a pp said, there's no rush. There aren't paedos on every corner but there are plenty of them about. With my children I started their independence gradually. In year 5 age 10 I would meet them half way home from school, they would walk with friends and the throng of other parents coming the same way. I built it up gradually from there. For after school clubs I would've met them, especially if it was dark, in fact the school would only release them if a parent was waiting at the end of the after school clubs.

Orange1969 · 21/01/2016 20:49

Back in 1979, a couple (male and female) tried to persuade me (aged 10) and my brother (7) to get into their car. We ran off and the couple sped off. We didn't tell our parents because we thought we would get into trouble.

My son wasn't allowed out into our town without an adult until he was 11 and I was worried that was too young.

If I was in the OP's situation, I would probably not let my child out alone until he is older. That is not to say I disapprove of her decision.

hippowithsuncreen · 21/01/2016 20:51

I am torn with this. If a child is nine nearly ten then in less than a year they will be walking to secondary school alone and a couple of decades ago younger children playing out all day would have been normal. BUT I walked to meet my 13 year old child from cadets last night because it was pitch black at a similar time.

Orange1969 · 21/01/2016 20:55

I also disagree with the OP's belief that children instinctively know when an adult is dangerous. That is bollocks.

If you feel you are being judged as a bad mother, then I am sorry about that, but I really don't think that is the issue here.

Bluebird79 · 21/01/2016 21:01

You are being very stupid risking your son's safety to prove a point about your own pride and feelings. He is 9. You are the adult. Get off your bum and pick him up after school.

hollydolly64 · 21/01/2016 21:02

I have a nine year old and live very near to a country village school. I wouldn't let her walk home in the dark for various reasons, including speeding cars/tractors, because it is VERY dark with a long distance between streetlights and because I am a wuss, but this September I started to let her walk home in the daylight because I feel it fosters her own self reliance and it encourages her to be responsible.

( I don't understand why these threads turn into a judgefest - the OP told us her story and her response. Why can't we all express our own opinions on the subject of the post, and not the poster?? So fricking Daily Mail)

hollydolly64 · 21/01/2016 21:06

Actually, I should have mentioned that when she walks home from school she is 99% of the time with another child. I don't think they need an adult with them, but I do like them to go in groups or at least pairs. But that is my own personal opinion.

Movingonmymind · 21/01/2016 21:41

Feel for you op, if more people "got off their bums" to quote pp and walked not drove, it would be much safer for our kids! Angry. Good for you Op for allowing him to walk home and for persisting in this, must be hard. My Dc the same age also walks but with someone as quite far amd sadly lots of traffic. Such cases though awful are still vanishingly rare compared to the real risk of traffic so well done for being so rational. Admirable.

Cleensheetsandbedding · 21/01/2016 21:44

Feel for you op, if more people "got off their bums" to quote pp and walked not drove, it would be much safer for our kids

Hmm
Movingonmymind · 21/01/2016 21:48

And why exactly Hmm??? We all can walk more and drive less, this would make our communities safer for kids, both trsfficwise but also people on streets to notice dodgy men (as in this case) wise. And am quoting a horrible comment from pp telling poor op to get off her bum and fetch him.hardly the point. Very rude and ignorant.

Elllicam · 21/01/2016 21:55

I agree with lots of the above points, walking is great, independence is positive... but as far as I can see they haven't caught this guy? If they haven't caught him then this situation is a bit scary, a 9 year old walking in the dark in an area where there is a man who has already tried to abduct him. What is to stop him trying again? The man probably won't be aware the police have been informed etc. All he is aware of that there is a child he is presumably attracted to who is walking alone in the dark. It would be too big a risk for me.

Elllicam · 21/01/2016 22:02

If I've misread it and he has been caught I would possibly think differently though.

Sunnybitch · 21/01/2016 22:16

movingonmymind why exactly do you feel for the op? Is it because she's still letting her 9 year old son walk to school by himself after he was nearly abducted by a grown man? Yea that must be really tough on her never mind her son who went through it and god for bid what he would go through should the guy decide to try again, seeing as he hasn't been caught...yea it must be really tough on her Hmm

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