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Guest post: "The traditional school system is effectively a sausage factory"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 23/09/2015 10:01

I watched my 15-year-old daughter walk into a classroom for the first time this month. While most other parents dropped off their four-year-olds for day one of school, I waved off the daughter I had, until now, been educating at home.

My daughter had made her own decision, and for her own reasons she put on a uniform and joined our local school in year 11. I, meanwhile, will continue to home educate my 12-year-old and five-year-old. My three-year-old won't be going to preschool.

And so, while many parents are sharing pictures and anecdotes of their child's first month at school at the moment, a growing number aren't. We are choosing, instead, to home-school.

In my view, the traditional school system is effectively a sausage factory. No matter how much is said about individualised or child-led systems, the nature of the beast is that it's mass processing. I wanted my children to have time to be children, and time to be themselves. Individuals.

The rise in this movement is perhaps driven in part by changes to the education system, but also, I suspect, because it is now so easy to network. There are national and local Facebook groups, and depending on where you are, lots of groups meeting up.

Home education is easiest with younger children - there's lots of outside play, lots of art, craft, and stories. There are so many resources now that primary age education is very achievable either following a structured school-at-home model, or completely following your child's interests or, as is most likely, doing something in between. That's my approach with my younger ones - the five-year-old is very interested in art and nature, and I've picked up great nature resources very cheaply in Lidl. We do some semi-formal activity most mornings - I'm also Montessori trained and use these resources regularly too. Afternoons are more free format.

I'm a lot more relaxed and confident with the younger two than I was first time round. There were all sorts of panics about learning to read with my eldest, as we felt it was the central skill. Now though, I know most children get there when they're ready, and that happens at varying ages. So as long as I'm making sure we're offering the chance to develop skills, I don't worry about ticking off any age related boxes.

Questions about academic issues tend to come later in the age range, and I will admit that qualifications can be the issue. There are courses that can be studied from home, and there's a thriving support network helping families find examination centers that will take private candidates. If any government was serious about helping home educators, they could make a single change to say that every area should have at least one state school that will take private candidates, Having details of the exam boards on a central website would also make life easier.

Qualifications are why my daughter has chosen to go to school. She believes it will be easier to follow courses done with her peers, and for her, I think it's the right choice. She is finding the organisational aspects of school more challenging than the academic side and she does have an uneven level of learning, being advanced in English and creatively, but not having covered all the maths she needs. But we are well placed to support her through that.

My 12-year-old, however, is determined that he won't go to school for any reason. He's already started to prepare for the maths and computing qualifications that will suit him, and in a year or so, I'll be hunting for one of those exam centers.

Home education was a philosophical choice for me and something I considered before I had children. I discovered the potential while on a teacher training course back in the 90s. Once we had children I looked into the subject further and found a wonderful network of early years home ed families, brought together by the Muddlepuddle email list as it was then - it is now the Early Years HE group on Yahoo. As well as the email list, there were local and national meetups and camps. There are now a number of national organisations too, such as the Home Education Advisory Service and Education Otherwise. Although home educators don’t have to follow the national curriculum, resources are available if they choose to.

My traditional teacher training (PGCE) is of next to no help as a home educator, as most of what you learn that way is about lesson planning and managing a classroom, although some of the incidental reading was interesting. My Montessori training and experience, however, is very useful, particularly with younger children, as it's all about practical hands on learning and seeing children as independent learners.

As for socialisation - yesterday we went to home education roller skating and soft play. Today my 12 -year-old will go to an after school hours computing club. My 15-year-old is (almost) struggling to fit school in around her other commitments - paper round, swim club, army cadets. On offer locally there are home education art sessions, forest schools, and a communal group where each family brings an activity.

Is home education for everyone? No, there's no one approach that suits every child or every family. But it's great to see a rising awareness of it and for people to know that they have choices. When it comes down to it, that's the important thing.

OP posts:
NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 16:34

I can only speak for ourselves and of course we finished h.ed in july and dd now attends a ss specialist school and boards.

I have always been a sahm 24 years now, so the switch from school to home was easy. All the family and some friends were part of dds life, so of course contributed to H.ed.
Her teachers at what many would call extra curricular activities contributed also, both when she was H.ed and schooled.
We are a low income family, so am always amused at those who say we are lucky to have pots of money to do this.
In terms of opportunities a schooled child would not be allowed to choose which days they attended, turning up with a diary and saying i can do Mon and thurs this week, sir. Which in our case provided the opportunity for dd to begin her career.
Obviously this is individual to her though, you can't expect schools to cater for the individual.
Back to square one, I think.

Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 16:40

He he Ganoush!!

I know this is going to sound a bit of a rubbish answer, but I genuinely do think that for each family, if something is within the realms of possibility, then it is a case of prioritising. Let me try to explain...

Let's say that you want to HE and it is not impossible to do so, then lots of people do find ways of making it work. For some, that might mean only having a very cheap camping holiday or driving older cars,mor not going to restaurants very often or any number of things that they might have liked to do but feel that they can sacrifice.

Equally, people whose children are in school and very happy might find that they decide that one paren can afford not to work, or that they can both work and move to a bigger house or buy only organic food or whatever...

All just examples of people that I know again, not everyone is in the same boat and not everyone would be able to do any of the above - the reality is that you do what you can with what you have got, and often make the best choice for your DC, which could equally be school or HE. Clearly families have bad experiences of both as I have said previously.

bruffin · 24/09/2015 16:49

Think you misunderstood me Mumstheword21
The Parent who HE's seem to think that children who go to school dont have time or energy to go to clubs or have a job etc after school, that HE children do so much more yah de yah de yawn.
Again you have made a list that of activities that schooled children do in their spare time. We have the white water centre on our doorstep, my dc is qualified on the legacy course, he has been kayaking since he was 8. Our local comprehensive school teaches Japanese, lots of children bake and decorate cakes with their parents etc etc

IceBeing · 24/09/2015 17:00

bruffin isn't it more the point that while any given 1 or 2 extra activities an Hed kid does could be done by those in school...but not all of them?

I mean anyone could be doing fencing after school...or japanese....or violin...

but if you have those school hours back (what around 30 hours a week?) you can do loads MORE.

IceBeing · 24/09/2015 17:01

Or...a home ed kid can do nothing but maths for a year....a schooled child can't.

Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 17:05

I think it may be you that has missed my point!

It was not a list of activities that school children can or can't do throughout their whole lives, with parents, or randomly with their friends, or at a comp, or on holiday with granny, or whenever. It was a list of extra-curricular activites that two of my children under the age of 8 have participated in over recent months. It wasn't meant to be that I feel in some way superior, it was simply a reply to your comment asking what do these children do...I was just giving some examples!!! Not in comparison to your child, or anyone else's!

I don't think the majority of parents who HE think That about teenagers either. Why would they not have jobs, go to clubs etc...?! I'm not sure that whether they attend school or HE really come into it!

Lurkedforever1 · 24/09/2015 17:07

The current state system doesn't fit my child. She's far end of the bell curve, and I know without a doubt if I'd done home ed instead of primary school she'd be far more ahead of where she is. However her primary did do above and beyond what can be reasonably expected, and still let her work at her level as much as possible, rather than her age. So for me the inconsequence of not sitting her GCSEs early and so on, was more than balanced out by the social benefits. Maybe if her primary was the sort that refused to teach above key stage I'd have thought differently. Certainly if she'd have gone to her catchment secondary, I'd have been hugely upset that as a single parent, home ed to sixth form isn't an option. As it is she's at an independent secondary that can meet her educational needs. She was ecstatic earlier this week because her actually pretty good essay got her a reasonable amount of time from the teacher on how to improve it, something that with all the will in the world, in a class full of kids mainly at level 4, just couldn't warrant more than a minute or two at primary.
I've got nothing but praise for her primary, they did really try and it was a lovely environment she gained loads from socially. But I'm delighted we now have the best of both worlds, being taught all day, rather than only part of the time because logistically even that much must have been a nightmare for primary, and still all the social benefits of group learning.

The opening post is pretty offensive in its assumptions though, and not the best example to promote home ed.

yeOldeTrout · 24/09/2015 18:50

"...the nature of the beast is that it's mass processing. I wanted my children to have time to be children, and time to be themselves. Individuals."

tbh, that looks like a massive Selling point AGAINST HE.

Yeah, great, raise your children so they don't fit in, they don't know how to relate to others, they reject law and order, manners, and any other societal values that they don't agree with. They needn't try to rub along. There is no value in trying to be like other people unless they meet your narrow prescription of people you approve of. My relatives proudly chose HE so they could raise their children to be bigots. Woohoo (not).

SirChenjin · 24/09/2015 18:57

I don't think that HE = bigots and children who reject law and order Grin

Otoh, proclaiming that school = children who are not individuals demonstrates a narrowness of thinking, which is certainly not a good advert for HE.

bruffin · 24/09/2015 19:07

The point is Mumsth word is that your children will miss out on school and probably not end up with any more experiences that children who go to school do, they may not have squeezed much in by the age of 8, because sensibly in our area you have to be 9 to take part in say water sports.
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NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 19:27

ye

Why do you think H.ed dc don't fit in, can't relate to others and reject law and order? They don't exist in some bubble not socialising with others and not experiencing life. As for manners this is the parents responsibility and has no relevance to attending school or not.

I think if it was the law to attend school there would be many parents facing prosecution now, through H.ed

Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 19:38

Bruffin, I seriously don't think you are seeing my point here.

Let me try for a final time. A previous poster said that HE kids would be missing out on opportunities that they get in school, so my reply (given that she was coming from a place of no experience of HE) was that equally, schooled kids could be missing out on opportunities HE kids are getting. Obviously. Clearly children across the country are getting different experiences, school is far from the be all and end all and equally, HE kids are not getting the same things as those who attend school.

The dramatic comments such as "they may not have squeezed much in" did make me laugh! Simple extra curricular activities are hardly squeezing things in!!!!

Not really sure what you think my children are missing out on given that you have absolutely zero information about what they do, but I think you have made your feelings clear on HE, so probably left as it is.

Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 19:40

Ye old trout, what an odd comment!

Why would children being children or children being themselves and individuals be a bad thing? Strange.

I'm not sure about rejecting law and order and social values, but I would have a stab in the dark and guess that the majority of inmates in any prison across the country weren't HE!!!!!

Marmitelover55 · 24/09/2015 20:19

I'm sure the quality of HE provision varies as much as the quality of schools.

My DC are at an outstanding state secondary school - there is no way I personally could match the education that they are getting.

Marmitelover55 · 24/09/2015 20:20

And I realise how lucky we are to have such an excellent school.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 24/09/2015 20:36

Does HE not have the potential to become yet another (sausage shaped) stick for parents to beat themselves with? If you really cared about the DCs education you'd take care of it yourself instead of sending them down the sausage factory?

DS has autism. It is entirely possible that academically* he'd do better if he was home schooled. It is not for me. And that is ok.

*however I firmly believe his social skills etc will improve through being at school rather than at home.

NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 20:48

marmite

You know your children are getting the best possible education you can give them. it is a parent's responsibility to provide an education for their children and this is what you are doing Grin H.ed obviously wouldn't be for them because it isn't right for you.

However, If I had sought a similar school in our area I wouldn't have been doing the best for my child, however good the education was. Nor would I have been if we had chosen any other school than the one she attends now.

What suits one doesn't necessarily suit another.
I still remain convinced that H.ed was the right decision too, for that time.

Intradental · 24/09/2015 20:53

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Marmitelover55 · 24/09/2015 22:50

NewLife4Me - yes I think that's right - what is best for us isn't best for you. Fine. But I object to my choice being derided by the OP and other fanatics.

Ubik1 · 24/09/2015 22:54

Some of us have to go to work Hmm

KatharineClifton · 24/09/2015 23:05

Some of us home educators have to go to work Ubik1 Hmm

Ubik1 · 24/09/2015 23:12

How do you home educate and work? I looked after my three preschoolers while working nightshifts but no way could I have taught them later on.

Now I will full time - we could not afford fur me to be at home.

Rainuntilseptember15 · 24/09/2015 23:24

I can see how you could have a part-time job and HE but if you worked full-time (even if shifts etc) then that would strongly suggest to me that you are not spending a sufficient amount of time on the home education.

Kampeki · 24/09/2015 23:36

My DC are at an outstanding state secondary school - there is no way I personally could match the education that they are getting.

This is how I feel. I do lots of educational stuff with my dd, and I know that I could teach her a lot if I chose to HE, but there is no way that I could offer her the breadth of experience and input that she gets in school.

I'm sure that HE suits some kids, and I have no doubt that some parents do a great job. However, I think the quality of HE is highly variable, just as it is in the school sector.

I know a few HEers, including some who are quite evangelical about it. They seem to be very happy with what they are doing, but the education that they provide certainly isn't the kind of education that I would want for my dd. I suppose it boils down to what you think is important. Each to their own, I guess.

Marmitelover55 · 24/09/2015 23:50

So I am interested to know how these H.ed DC integrate into university and work? They probably haven't had to rub along with such a broad range of different individuals as those educated in big(ish) state schools... I remember it being a massive culture shock going from my sixth form to university. What is it like for these H.ed DC??