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MumsnetGuestPosts · 23/09/2015 10:01

I watched my 15-year-old daughter walk into a classroom for the first time this month. While most other parents dropped off their four-year-olds for day one of school, I waved off the daughter I had, until now, been educating at home.

My daughter had made her own decision, and for her own reasons she put on a uniform and joined our local school in year 11. I, meanwhile, will continue to home educate my 12-year-old and five-year-old. My three-year-old won't be going to preschool.

And so, while many parents are sharing pictures and anecdotes of their child's first month at school at the moment, a growing number aren't. We are choosing, instead, to home-school.

In my view, the traditional school system is effectively a sausage factory. No matter how much is said about individualised or child-led systems, the nature of the beast is that it's mass processing. I wanted my children to have time to be children, and time to be themselves. Individuals.

The rise in this movement is perhaps driven in part by changes to the education system, but also, I suspect, because it is now so easy to network. There are national and local Facebook groups, and depending on where you are, lots of groups meeting up.

Home education is easiest with younger children - there's lots of outside play, lots of art, craft, and stories. There are so many resources now that primary age education is very achievable either following a structured school-at-home model, or completely following your child's interests or, as is most likely, doing something in between. That's my approach with my younger ones - the five-year-old is very interested in art and nature, and I've picked up great nature resources very cheaply in Lidl. We do some semi-formal activity most mornings - I'm also Montessori trained and use these resources regularly too. Afternoons are more free format.


I'm a lot more relaxed and confident with the younger two than I was first time round. There were all sorts of panics about learning to read with my eldest, as we felt it was the central skill. Now though, I know most children get there when they're ready, and that happens at varying ages. So as long as I'm making sure we're offering the chance to develop skills, I don't worry about ticking off any age related boxes.

Questions about academic issues tend to come later in the age range, and I will admit that qualifications can be the issue. There are courses that can be studied from home, and there's a thriving support network helping families find examination centers that will take private candidates. If any government was serious about helping home educators, they could make a single change to say that every area should have at least one state school that will take private candidates, Having details of the exam boards on a central website would also make life easier.

Qualifications are why my daughter has chosen to go to school. She believes it will be easier to follow courses done with her peers, and for her, I think it's the right choice. She is finding the organisational aspects of school more challenging than the academic side and she does have an uneven level of learning, being advanced in English and creatively, but not having covered all the maths she needs. But we are well placed to support her through that.

My 12-year-old, however, is determined that he won't go to school for any reason. He's already started to prepare for the maths and computing qualifications that will suit him, and in a year or so, I'll be hunting for one of those exam centers.

Home education was a philosophical choice for me and something I considered before I had children. I discovered the potential while on a teacher training course back in the 90s. Once we had children I looked into the subject further and found a wonderful network of early years home ed families, brought together by the Muddlepuddle email list as it was then - it is now the Early Years HE group on Yahoo. As well as the email list, there were local and national meetups and camps. There are now a number of national organisations too, such as the Home Education Advisory Service and Education Otherwise. Although home educators don’t have to follow the national curriculum, resources are available if they choose to.

My traditional teacher training (PGCE) is of next to no help as a home educator, as most of what you learn that way is about lesson planning and managing a classroom, although some of the incidental reading was interesting. My Montessori training and experience, however, is very useful, particularly with younger children, as it's all about practical hands on learning and seeing children as independent learners.

As for socialisation - yesterday we went to home education roller skating and soft play. Today my 12 -year-old will go to an after school hours computing club. My 15-year-old is (almost) struggling to fit school in around her other commitments - paper round, swim club, army cadets. On offer locally there are home education art sessions, forest schools, and a communal group where each family brings an activity.

Is home education for everyone? No, there's no one approach that suits every child or every family. But it's great to see a rising awareness of it and for people to know that they have choices. When it comes down to it, that's the important thing.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 14:26

I picked up my Nephew from the top end of nursery and everyone was sitting in a ring chanting phonics together.

As far as I could tell talking to him on the way home he had no idea what it was all for.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 14:28

and then there are number bonds.....

what do you do if a child doesn't get the concept of addition and hence can't work out for themselves what 3+2 is?

You drill them on number bonds of 5!

Or...maybe you wait till they do get it...so you don't put them off maths for ever.

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 14:29

no, what are you talking about? If a child does not get the concept of addition you do a great deal of work with concrete objects helping them to understand. Drilling doesn't come into it.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 14:30

If you wait till children are 6-7 yo they can pick up reading in a few days to weeks. It makes all the years of drilling phonics completely pointless. The only lasting affect of phonics drills is a lower level of interest in reading past the age of 10.

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 14:31

repeating stuff is a valid way of learning. Your nephew might not have wanted to talk to you about it. He might 'click' with it tomorrow. They probably spent about five minutes reciting stuff together.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 14:31

On the primary education threads people were being sent homework for their children to memorize the number bonds for 10.

Like 1 goes with 9, 2 goes with 8 etc.

It happens. Its what schools do rather than wait till it becomes appropriate to teach something.

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 14:32

Well, having said all that, I don't actually disagree that it would be that bad to wait either Grin

But please don't write off everything you see in a snapshot as robotic parroting. It simply isn't true.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 14:32

If he clicks with it tomorrow then it is after tomorrow that he should be learning phonics - not before.

No point drilling stuff with kids that don't know what they are doing or why?

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 14:33

It really really isn't what school do.. Quick recall of number bonds is very useful but the expectation is that the child WILL understand the concepts first, really it is.

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 14:35

he can only click with it if he is being taught it though, no?

I am not arguing that there are massive benefits to HE, one of which is that you can concentrate on your individual child. I have agreed that there are issues teaching 30 kids at once. But your statements about the nature of formal schooling are not true.

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NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 14:43

I have just been reading the thread about the lack G&T provision. I think it proves that gov are only interested in providing education for the middle/ average children. Great for the masses and if your children fit the predetermined mould.
In fairness though I don't see how parents could expect more from a free public service. It's amazing what some teachers achieve with the system they have.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 15:05

hump no, I know it isn't all bad...but I teach the products of this factory....in higher education.

What we see is an awful lot of students who can answer very specific things to very specific questions and who, when asked to apply the same information to a slightly different problem, can't answer.

I also see students attempting to commit entire lecture courses to memory rather than try to understand the material and hence render memorization redundant.

It worries me A LOT that this trend is getting worse...particularly when i hear about number bonds.

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IceBeing · 24/09/2015 15:07

New I agree. Teachers are AMAZING. I have no idea how they do as well as they do while managing class sizes of 30 plus and the government doing everything possible to undermine education on the ground.

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NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 15:14

Ice

It astounds me just how many children don't fit or aren't ready to fit the mould.
You only need to see the posts on here to see how bad the system is for those who don't fit.
Children are not all the same, you can't expect them to all come out doing the same at the same level like little tin soldiers in a box. (This is my belief, rather than sausages) Grin

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Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 15:32

I think the sausage factory remark was in direct relation to this:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Nz2X0AEXw

By Sir Ken Robinson. I did have to laugh when my husband told me that they showed this as 'motivation' during a staff inset day (secondary), but none-the-less, by watching it, whether in agreement or not, it may at least explain the (sausage) factory analogy!

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 15:33

Do you know, I think we will find that we agree more than we disagree Smile

I just wish, people could say that I HE because it is possible to individually tailor education to my child's needs rather than I HE because formal schools are terrible/teach everything parrot fashion/take no account of the individual.

And what exactly is wrong with knowing number bonds? I think they are very useful things to know, just like times tables and phonics.

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Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 15:40

I think most people do say that, usually out of politeness and respect for others choices (though that being said, one really can't go without the other can they??!!).

I think that generally, the people who chastise schools/the system are the ones who have had a negative experience on a personal level, and there are more parents who don't HE that express these views (see various boards) but they don't really get flamed, just nodded to in agreement!!

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HumphreyCobblers · 24/09/2015 15:46

Of course it is possible to have a negative school experience. It is also possible to have a negative HE experience. Don't write off either system is my view.

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NewLife4Me · 24/09/2015 15:52

Humphrey

People can only talk about their experiences and belief though.
Whilst school does work for many children it isn't the best education for a growing number.
There isn't a state school in the land that could have taken account of my dd talent and treated her as an individual, she was one of many all expected to do the same thing at the same time in the same way. To me individualism is not celebrated in mainstream schools.
That isn't a slur on what others find fitting for their dc.

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Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 15:52

Yes, I agree Smile

There are a huge combination of variables that could make either system a success or failure. If both children and parents are happy with their given situation then surely that's positive, regardless of whether that choice is school or HE.

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holmessweetholmes · 24/09/2015 15:56

I'm a teacher and I think there is a lot wrong with schools these days, I really do. There is lots that could be done to make schools into better places. However, I would not dream of home-educating my own children unless there was a serious bullying issue for example.

In spite of the many current issues with the school system, I still believe that being in a school environment is a valuable life experience for them. I also would not consider myself capable of teaching them all the things that they would have the opportunity to be taught at school. I find it baffling that so many people do tbh.

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Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 16:00

Equally, on the flip side, there are many opportunities in the HE community that a large percentage of school children (as a generalisation) will not be exposed to.

I guess it probably might be baffling from the outside, perhaps the same goes for HEr's who have not had any experience of the school system in recent years.

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bruffin · 24/09/2015 16:04

Equally, on the flip side, there are many opportunities in the HE community that a large percentage of school children (as a generalisation) will not be exposed to.

I keep hearing this but nobody has ever been able to tell me what they actually do that children who go to school do when they get home, at the weekends or in the holidays. I was once told by a HE'd that teenagers are too tired from school to do anything outside of school hours Hmm.

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BabyGanoush · 24/09/2015 16:17

I always wonder about finances

How can you and other HE's afford to not work?

Not saying school is just glorified childcare Grin Shock.. Just curious about the fincial set up, and what would happen in case of sickness, redundance, burnout etc. of the working partner. As these things do happen

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Mumstheword21 · 24/09/2015 16:30

Lol Bruffin, that's so funny!! Very few HEr's do 'school-at-home' style and even less stick to school hours!

Therefore, there isn't such a straightforward answer (in comparison to how you might know roughly what your year X child has covered at some point during the Winter term for example) but in terms of what you might deem as extra curricular activites, two of my children under the age of 8 have participated in during the past summer term in the following courses on a weekly basis during state school hours (rather than one off random events and including certification where relevant): Japanese, white water rafting, cake decorating and fencing. These are just examples, not an exclusive list and by no means things that no schooled child of the same age would have also undertaken!

Other families will have participated in completely different activites at completely different times and each education will probably look very different fro, family to family and also within the household (I know of a parent who uses NC for the older child, unschooling for the middle child and Montessori for the youngest as an example).

I'm absolutely not saying that any of this is right or wrong, but just showing the other side of the coin as lots of comments have talked about how HE children don't get the opportunities school children get and obviously no two people experience the same education in any case, whether HE or schooled. I think parents (again, I am generalising through personal experience here!!) just make the best decisions that they can for their DC at any given time.

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