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Amnesty's proposal to legalise prostitution is wrong - we can't let men who exploit women off the hook

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/01/2014 19:31

An Amnesty International document leaked this week argues for the legalisation of prostitution. It says that approaches like the Swedish Model – which criminalise buying sex, but legalise selling it – are guilty of "devaluing" prostituted women and "criminalising the contexts in which they live". In essence, the proposals say that most women who become prostitutes make a rational, informed choice – effectively , that they enter into a relationship of equals with the men who purchase their bodies.

I’m really disappointed in Amnesty. I'm a long term supporter of the Swedish Model and, for me, the idea that we should simply accept prostitution as a fact of life is totally wrong. It is particularly irresponsible at a time when it's being reported that austerity is driving many women – and in particular single parents – into prostitution.

I believe Amnesty have got it wrong. Firstly, I don’t believe prostitution is, in most cases, "consensual sex between adults", as the policy document describes it. The idea that women who go into prostitution are exercising 'free choice' just doesn’t stack up. Abuse and lack of alternatives are almost always a factor - many enter the sex trade young, and come from backgrounds fraught with suffering and abuse. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but, all things being equal, I believe most women don’t 'choose', in the true sense, to become prostitutes.

Secondly, I disagree with the idea there can be any real equality between a woman who sells her body and a man who buys it. As Amnesty admits, the conditions of the sex trade are "imperfect" to say the least. British 'prostitute review' sites like 'Punternet' – as well as the male-led 'Hands off my whore' campaign in France – show what so-called clients think of the women they buy sex from.

A large proportion of prostitutes say they experience aggression while working, and nearly seven in ten suffer the symptoms of post-traumatic stress. The dynamic between buyers and sellers of sex ranges from the disrespectful to the downright abusive – but there’s almost always an inequality at play.

Of course, there'll always be some who say that prostitution is "the oldest trade" and that there's not much we can do about it. But this argument is as untrue as it’s depressing. In Sweden, for example, stopping the purchase of sex changes social attitudes, making men less likely to purchase sex and more likely to support prosecutions for others - and there’s no reason why this can’t happen in the UK. Amnesty need to aim much higher. We can do better, surely, than just make the exploitation of women better regulated.

The role of charities like Amnesty should be to lift standards up, not drive them down. Amnesty are supposed to be an ambitious organisation. They shouldn’t just shrug their shoulders and say "c’est la vie". Over the years they've done an indispensable job in ending exploitation, improving human rights, and reducing inequalities. Legalising prostitution runs counter to all these things. It has turned Germany into a "giant Teutonic brothel", as the Economist puts it - and, according to Equality Now, has "empowered pimps and traffickers" in Amsterdam.

Women at risk or in economic need require more opportunities and better protection – not to be told their only option is a demeaning last resort. For the sake of women and mothers everywhere I sincerely hope Amnesty will rethink their position.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/02/2014 13:13

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msrisotto · 03/02/2014 13:14

Lots of people work on their own in other industries migsy, they don't tend to get injured or killed for it. There honestly is something particular about prostitution that makes it more dangerous than other 'jobs'.

migsy86 · 03/02/2014 13:22

There are already laws to protect vulnerable people from exploitation and trafficking. I just don't want to see my clients at risk of prosecution, which is the Nordic model which a lot of people seem to suggest.

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migsy86 · 03/02/2014 13:52

There is always more that can be done to protect the vulnerable. But sex work and illegal trafficking are two separate discussions. Why do people continuously lump the two together.

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horsetowater · 03/02/2014 14:06

Migsy what was it that made you choose sex work as a job?

This is the thing that the pro-criminalisation lobby need to have explained. They don't think of it as work, they think that you are being abused.

Evidence has shown that most women go into this kind of work while they are vulnerable and have normalised abuse in some way.

msrisotto · 03/02/2014 14:11

You know what i'm hearing from you Migsy? "I'm alright Jack." You personally may not have been treated badly but for every one of you, there are thousands of others , some of whom are killed by it, many who are raped, beaten, etc. So, i'm glad that you're happy and healthy but really, this is about the bigger picture.

migsy86 · 03/02/2014 14:14

I would never support the Nordic model purely because I genuinely believe it would just push the industry further underground. The sex industry is never going to go away. Ever. So why try and criminalise it. Taking abuse and trafficking away from the consensual selling of sexual services, It Is simply a job.

I chose this because I enjoy sex, I work on my own terms, it's fun and very well paid.

migsy86 · 03/02/2014 14:16

And show me a single current, independent sex worker who wants her clients criminalised? There are none. So not its not "I'm alright jack" I just want to be able to work in safety, preferably not on my own and not in fear of prosecution.

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migsy86 · 03/02/2014 14:25

Buying a sexual service from someone isn't comparable to murder. And I wouldn't lose out on "some" clients but all of them. I don't see why I should be forced out of a job that is doing nothing to anyone else.

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migsy86 · 03/02/2014 14:33

When I started it was out of desperation. It was still my choice to make and I wouldn't have done it differently. What is going to happen to all the desperate people who trunk to this for much needed income?

migsy86 · 03/02/2014 14:34

*turn not trunk.

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hedidit · 03/02/2014 14:51

Erm..hate to burst a bubble or two but prostitution in this country is already legal. You can register with HMRC as its a legal job. What you cannot do is have two ladies sharing their own apartment together for safety. So..its legal to work alone but illegal to work together even if its two completely independent females who run it as a business. Its called being self employed.

Nice to see the tolerant ladies of this forum feel everyone should have their rights upheld apart from women who use their bodies to make money. Whales..give them rights, chimps…hey protect them, human beings who have sex for money..sod them.

hedidit · 03/02/2014 14:52

Amnesty made the only decision it could make. It made the correct decision and that decision was to NOT infringe on sex workers human rights. Yup..EVEN they have them

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hedidit · 03/02/2014 14:54

Yes..that thing is the "paid in cash" and the fact that thieves do find us easy targets as we are not allowed to work in pairs for safety. A guy walking out of his house with the intention of stealing a quick few quid would find his easiest target in a lone female who is paid in cash. Its basically the ultimate cowards crime x

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horsetowater · 03/02/2014 15:20

Migsy I appreciate your honesty in answering that question.

(Unlike some of the posters who are pro-legalisation who refuse to answer and are probably mens rights activists.) Hmm

The fact that you turned to prostitution because you were desperate means you felt you didn't have a choice. This ultimately means when you began you were having sex with men against your will. Generally this is called trafficking or rape and can't be described as work.

You probably know it's not in your best interests physically emotionally and psychologically and it's not something you would choose if you had to live your life again. If you chose to stop tomorrow you could. What would you say is stopping you from stopping?

NumptyNameChange · 03/02/2014 16:09

migsy you won't like my post i suspect but whilst i don't want to see vulnerable, trafficked, drug addicted, sexual abuse surviving, and otherwise coerced women be prosecuted for being prostituted i would actually be ok with you being prosecuted.

by your own account you are not vulnerable, damaged, coerced or forced to be a prostitute. you choose to do it and choose to engage in a means of making money that actively damages women and takes part in the context of others being put through utter hell. you don't care about them only your ability to make money. in the same way as i wouldn't want to see someone prosecuted for being coerced into stealing by someone they were in terror of but that absolutely doesn't mean i think someone who just decides actually i like being a thief, i don't care about it's impact on others, i have flexible hours, i'm independent and i make good money should not be prosecuted.

in a way i'm afraid that you're as bad as the pimps exploiting women because you are willfully putting your desire to make easy money over their lives.