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Why I wear the niqab

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 16/10/2013 10:58

The common impression that people have about women who wear the niqab is that they are forced to do so by their spouses or society, and are therefore oppressed. They are also believed to be uneducated, passive - kept behind closed doors, and not integrated within British society.

These negative prejudices are just that, though they are presented as facts - widely accepted, and promoted by cynical politicians every so often. Although I prefer not to be apologetic in my approach, I always find myself having to explain my choice to wear the niqab, in the hope that I can raise awareness, challenge misperceptions and help promote mutual respect.

To understand the niqab, it helps to understand the religion behind it. Islam has three simple messages – liberation from worshipping anything but the one God; following in the way of His Prophets including Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them; and servitude to the whole of humanity. Islam’s practical acts of liberation are many – from the duty of environmentalism (protecting ‘the Creation’ from the excesses of humankind) to the imperative of modesty for both women and men – one part of which is the face-veil.

In my view, the authentic reading of Scripture does not deem the niqab as compulsory, but rather as highly recommended: the wives of the prophet Muhammad used to wear it, and they are my role models.

Therefore the niqab is a religious symbol - and wearing it is considered by many Muslim women as an act of worship. Certainly the niqab is a spiritual journey that not many will take or understand, but those women who choose to wear it, such as myself, believe that it brings them closer to God, their Creator.

I also find the niqab liberating and dignifying; it gives me a sense of strength and empowers me. Deciding to wear it wasn’t easy - I had to go against my wishes of my parents, who discouraged me from wearing it because they feared I would face discrimination. But since I started wearing it, over 10 years ago, I have never changed my decision, nor have I ever found it a barrier. I continued my education to postgraduate level, and am now a professional molecular geneticist. Never once did I feel that the niqab prevented me from adding value to our British society – I’m involved in many community projects and events, and hold leadership positions in community organisations.

Some claim that women choose to wear the niqab do so due to social constraints and conditioning. This might be applicable to some extent in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, where individuals have to behave in a certain way for social approval (which can include wearing the face-veil). But in Britain, face-veiled women are minority within a minority – numbering perhaps just 0.001% of the total Muslim population in the UK (no statistics are available on this issue). Wearing the niqab is not so common within the British Muslim community that social conditioning could play any significant role: in Britain the majority of these women wear the niqab as a personal choice.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society. It allows individuals the right to practice and articulate their religious freedoms and rights – and offers a woman total freedom of choice to decide what she wears. Women who wear the niqab are simply articulating those religious and personal freedoms – and we cannot risk undermining them for the sake of social imaginaries, deep-seated psychological fears, or ignorance.

There are claims that the niqab is a 'security threat', but such claims are overblown. With regards to the issue of security, particularly the wearing of the niqab in court, let’s be clear that Muslim women are allowed to take off their veils, particularly in the pursuit of justice. But there’s no common approach and each case should be dealt with individually, in a manner that ensures the preservation of these women’s dignity and rights. These women are not committing any crime; they must be treated as human beings with full rights to participate equally in civil society, and to access education.

The reason, I believe, that the niqab debate has progressed this far is that there exists a wide range of far-right movements, politicians and intellectuals across the spectrum who seek to promote the hysteria that fuels anti-Muslim hatred. These people hope to make the face-veiled Muslim women emblematic of a sinister 'Other', a ‘problem’ impossible to solve or accept.

We have to overcome this authoritarian mentality which assumes a right to interfere in the lives, appearances and thoughts of other people. We all have so much to offer each other and we should extend our tolerance to respect, not merely for individuals, but for their beliefs as well. Otherwise, by all clamouring to enforce our own ideologies on the women we seek to “liberate”, we will be contributing to their collective oppression. Indeed, attempts to ban the niqab will marginalise face-veiled women from participating in public life.

It’s time to go beyond words, and to pursue peace, prosperity and freedom through social, political and interfaith harmony - seeking compassionate justice for everyone, and protecting freedom of the individual.

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swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 23:18

goshanne - i don't know ANY graduates of AUC. i do wish you'd stop with your massive assumptions. also the insults are getting a bit much now.

swallowedAfly · 20/10/2013 23:22

you know nothing about me or where i lived and worked in egypt or with what classes and education levels i lived with and am friends with. your posts to me throughout this thread have been personally insulting, full of blind assumptions and twisting of what i have said.

Riz0 · 20/10/2013 23:22

Men and women are built differently. We're designed for different tasks. It's not to suppress women and hide them in your homes. I mean you can't exactly make a man have babies so why are we trying so damn hard to make us poor women do EVERYTHING men can do? That is not equality.
Of course women should go out and have careers and education and everything else that men have the access to but women should not be EXPECTED to do anything other than what they want, just like men. I mean if a man put a cloth on his face I'm pretty sure countries wouldn't be trying to ban it. Because it is just a cloth.
We live in a world that promotes women to be naked to exploit them or what ever other excuse but when some want to cover up suddenly governments are threatened and worried about security.
There's the other side of this debate where people are worried what if women are covering up violence and are being forced to wear it? Fine. But there are women being beaten or worse everyday and not all of them have a veil on their face. Some just sit there next to you on the tube home and you don't even care to give her a second glance. So really what is it that brothers everyone so much about the veil?
The thing is people are afraid of what they don't understand. Islam gives "purdah" to both men and women as a way to protect themselves from their lusts and desires. The men are asked to dress modestly and hide their figure and keep their gaze down, to not second glance at another women.
Women are asked to dress modestly and hide their figure, to cover up their beauty.
It's Islam that gave equality to women long before anyone else.
Women were given the right to inheritance, education, divorce, the choice to do what they wanted. They were also given a veil to protect them from the gaze of predators. To hide their beauties save from their husbands, and families.
it's unfortunate that most muslims have forgotten what Islam really is and have turned into extremists.
People are afraid of the veil because of extremists, so really they are afraid of extremists.
Let's stop pretending removing/banning the veil will stop women from getting beat, raped, and exploited. It might help a few but it will harm the many that wear it and will refuse to leave their homes without it. The ones the society is going to oppress.
It's not worth it. It's not equality.

MistressIggi · 20/10/2013 23:25

Am posting because I want to move the thread up so I can see the last post, and for some reason the latest one is always invisible under the blog?

PrincessFlirtyPants · 20/10/2013 23:32

I am tired of your ill-formed drivel masquerading as insight. Whatever great claim you have to knowledge is not being displayed in your posts. For all your claim that you are "not some Daily Mail reader", your posts read exactly like one.

That's really very rude, GoshAnne

MistressIggi · 20/10/2013 23:51

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GoshAnneGorilla · 20/10/2013 23:51

Princess - Lecturing Muslim women about their own religion (the tedious part about hadith), demonising the Muslim world and completely derailing this thread into a ha'penny rant about a whole bingo card of Muzlamic topics is ruder still, but feel free to overlook all that.

MistressIggi · 20/10/2013 23:54

Rude and also really inaccurate.
Riz0, I think if men chose to wear similar face coverings you would find calls for it to be banned, in the same way that wearing hoods up with bandanas or bike helmets in banks raises objections.
Other than carrying our children and feeding them, I'm not sure what ways my dh and I are designed to do different things tbh, we have very similar jobs and abilities.

nicename · 21/10/2013 06:49

Mistress - are you on a handheld device? I'm having the same problems on the blackberry. I think its the way they OPs post has been set up on the page.

swallowedAfly · 21/10/2013 07:27

it's not lecturing gosh - other people are free to comment on a religion and have different views on it. there are people who are muslims who don't look to the hadiths for similar reasons i've stated. is it just that i'm saying it as a non muslim that you take issue with? google forced marriage in islam and you'll find plenty of islamic sites saying the koran makes clear it's not allowed. you tell me islam is not monolithic then assert that your view is the only view and anyone daring to disagree on some points is 'lecturing' people and a bigot. that's just not... accurate or reasonable.

how have i lectured people? i've stated my views, most of which can be found as alternative views from within the faith. i have not anywhere demonised the middle east?? a muslim country is my second home ffs and i've talked about how i find the muslims i know are very moderate there - although the bedouin bring a whole lot more tradition to the religion and bedouin women do all veil from a certain age.

it's alright not to like me and to disagree with me but to just go with lies, twisting and personal attacks is not on and is very... visible.

UptheChimney · 21/10/2013 08:17

I think if men chose to wear similar face coverings you would find calls for it to be banned, in the same way that wearing hoods up with bandanas or bike helmets in banks raises objections

This. ^^

Other than carrying our children and feeding them, I'm not sure what ways my dh and I are designed to do different things tbh, we have very similar jobs and abilities

And this^^

As opposed to some elf in the sky (of whatever denomination) and a set of fairy tales ...

CoteDAzur · 21/10/2013 09:39

Gosh - I'm not bothered by the tone of your posts but really would like an answer (if you have one) to my question why you & OP think the veil is "highly recommended" in Islam, given that it is not in the Quran and Mohammad's Hadith says a woman's face should be visible. Thank you.

peacefuloptimist · 21/10/2013 09:39

I was going to stay away from this thread but I cant ignore people ganging up on Gosh who actually happens to have it spot on.

I think every single muslim on this thread has had to correct swallowed at some point and each time rather then accepting her mistake she keeps insisting that she knows best.

Take for example nicename who kindly informs swallowed that actually the Northern grooming gangs also sexually abused Asian girls and she retaliates with 'Asian doesnt mean muslim.' When actually in this case it does mean muslim.

www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3864834.ece

But of course no one gives a damn if the victims are innocent muslim girls right. Of course you would think that it is inaccurate for Gosh to call her out if you are as equally ill-informed.

By the way as far as being offensive I think she wins that crown too.

sounds more like devil worship - literally - worshipping a being you believe would see a young boy brutally killed for falling in love with another boy? or a woman who had an affair stoned to death in public? come on! does that sound like a god or the devil?

“and there does seem to be something about islam, or perhaps the areas it orginated from, that lends itself to being interpreted in brutal ways that are intolerant of other perspectives, modern laws, heterogenorous societies etc."

So she accuses all christians, jews and muslims of worshipping the devil and says there is something inherently wrong with Islam and the people of the Middle East (insulting more than 1.6 billion people) and Gosh is called out on being offensive for criticising one person for the views they have expressed. By the way for your information swallowed christianity and judaism also originated from the same place as Islam which is the Middle East.

I think the muslims on this thread have done an admirable job of answering many different questions (we have been all over the block in this thread) so I hope you dont mind answering a question for me.

What is your opinion of Bashar Assad's regime in Syria? Do you think the Syrian people should be supported in their attempts to get rid of him and if not why not (please answer the first question too about Bashar Assad and both parts of the second question)?

Also the occuptaion of Palestinian lands by the Isrealis, what is your opinion about it? Shouldn't the Isrealis face sanctions for breaching UN resolutions rather then having their military and economy supported?

If you would kindly answer those questions for me I would much appreciate it.

peacefuloptimist · 21/10/2013 09:54

Oh yeah I forgot one more question.

Why do you think the grooming gangs also targeted Asian, Muslim girls? Were the Imams in the mosques egging them on to do that too?

Also why are there white grooming gangs as well then who also sexually abuse young white girls and boys? Have they been hanging out at the mosque?

fuzzywuzzy · 21/10/2013 10:23

Cote, the face veil is debated, some say it is recommended some say the face can remain exposed, the wives of the Prophet and the women of that time veiled their faces so women here do so.

It is personal between the niqab wearer and God.

I've been steering clear of this thread too as it is as every other thread 'discussing' Islamic practice goes.

Also, I'm pretty sure none of us Muslim posters have ever stoned to death gay people or those who commit adultery.

nicename · 21/10/2013 10:33

Paedophiles aside. I don't care about the origins of the kids (I was talking off the top of my head on the background of the girls as its a pretty stomach-churning crime anyhoo) - the fact that the 'profile' victim is a young girl in care with bugger-all family suppory. These blokes were preying on girls in society which they thought they could get away with. I'm also on a flakey, ever-crashing blackberry so pipe up when I see something totally 'out there' and the machine isn't playing up.

No, Muslim isn't Asian, and Asian isn't Muslim. Du-uh. Married to a non-asian muslim, I'd never have known that!

This thread was supposed to be about the veil and why some choose to wear it and why some choose not to. Not an all out bunfight on the rights and wrongs of global religion from the year dot.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 10:40

A bit late in the game, but can someone explain to me what sort of attacks happen to women in the niqab so frequently they choose to leave the country? Whatever I believe, that's horrific and really scary. :( How frequently do these attacks happen? Why isn't there more media coverage? What is being done to protect these women? Other than the veil, no other Muslim type dressing bothers me, but assault is still not okay and the public should be aware!

I swear I do read the news btw! Blush

I honestly haven't heard of these attacks. (The disgusting language and spitting yes, not that I am trivialising!)

The story about the pregnant woman up thread was devastating to say the least. :(

NeoFaust · 21/10/2013 10:53

Wearing the niquab seems to be an act of religious vanity and not modest at all.

innoparticularorder · 21/10/2013 11:41

If the OP wants wear a garment to veil her face to feel closer to God that is between her and God what right do we have to say she shouldn't do it. Most of the Muslim posters have agreed that it's not obligatory but some like to do extra acts for the sake of God, not hard to understand at all.

If YOU have an issue with it maybe you need to deal with why you have those feelings of offence, insult, fear and whatever else so many of you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist with. Maybe get to know a niqab wearer or read up on Islam from reliable sources.

As far as I can see veil wearers do not hurt or stop me (or anyone around me) from getting on with my life, it's a shame they are looked upon as mindless, oppressed and insulting.

crescentmoon · 21/10/2013 11:50

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SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 11:51

inno Isn't it illegal in certain situations to have a covered face though? Confused
I'm truly not being hostile, sorry if my tone conveys that! It's just that googling just comes up with racist crap and I'm sure there are settings in which it's illegal, which would make the veil not just between OP and God? I'd rather ask here with intelligent, educated posters than the tripe I see on Google.

Please correct me (and explain!) if I'm wrong.

An honest question I have. I have no idea how to word it without it being rude. How can I make friends with someone who wears the niqab? I can't tell if they want me to start a conversation or not because I can't see their face. There are no mums in niqab at DS1's nursery so I can't just say hello, and the only place I ever see women with them is the supermarket, where I have no clue how to strike up a conversation because I cannot see if they'd like me too.
Selfishly, this is frustrating for me because these are the only sorts of places I can meet people and make friends due to my own issues.

Grennie · 21/10/2013 11:59

I don't care if individual women wear the niqab or not. But of course the niqab is sexist, as it is based on the idea of modesty for a woman. Yes I know both women and men are supposed to be modest. But the version of modesty for men, looks very different to the version of modesty for women.

crescentmoon · 21/10/2013 12:12

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Grennie · 21/10/2013 12:15

In your link it says the men wear a turban/veil and when their in laws are present, use it to cover their mouth. So this seems to be more about "respecting" your in laws, than not exposing your face to any woman who is not your wife.

nicename · 21/10/2013 12:18

If you wear a full veil (probably not huge amount of your day if you don't work) you would be very aware of it. It isn't something you forget you have on I assume.

So, being aware of it is being aware of the reasoning behind it - ie God. The inward focus* aside, it's a bit like the self mortification in christianity. Although this is a minority activity, of those who do, most would do so discretely and privately. A sort of tangible 'suffering' or inconvenience to bring you closer to god.

I was really suprised to see the easter parade in Madrid one year with the hooded faithful walking barefoot through the streets. I have also seen processions of self-flagilants in christian and muslim countries of the faithful.

*as a therapist, although I expect clients to be self aware, a strong inward focus isn't an ideal/healthy mental state.