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Kick butt - no more fags!

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mummylonglegs · 12/07/2005 15:08

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charliecat · 15/07/2005 20:13

Its not weakness, its the evil addiction trying to hook you back in. well done for sticking it out. It does get better, really really really.

evansmummy · 15/07/2005 20:53

ell done, hanging. You're doing so well, don't let it get you!! I got hooked in on week 4, it's so true that it gets harder after those first cravings.

mll, it's actually goodo to hear that you get thes same doubts, but that you DON'T give in to them. Maybe I'm just to stupid to resist.

Don't seem to have any time to go visit whyquit, although I know it would do me good.

Not looking forward to the summer: weekend away in Southampton soon, a week in France at the beginning of August, all without fags???? I am so sad.

evansmummy · 15/07/2005 20:54

sorry for the spelling: wine...

Hermione1 · 15/07/2005 20:54

your still here then charliecat.been leaving a thread for you and you haven't even looked have you???

mummylonglegs · 15/07/2005 21:21

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hanginginthere · 15/07/2005 21:48

Thanks everyone, this is the longest I ever gave up for - I have tried lots but always with patches, gum etc and it just seemed to make it harder
This time, I just thought "Bollocks, I am just not going to smoke and thats that"
Bloody hard though
But I will keep thinking that it does pass
it passes
it passes
it passes!

mummylonglegs · 15/07/2005 22:18

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charliecat · 15/07/2005 22:48

Understanding the Emotional Loss

Experienced When Quitting Smoking

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In her 1969 book, On Death and Dying, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross identified five distinct phases which a dying person encounters. These stages are "denial," "anger," "bargaining," "depression," and finally, "acceptance." These are the exact same stages that are felt by those mourning the loss of a loved one as well.

Denial can be recognized as the state of disbelief: "This isn't really happening to me," or "The doctor doesn't know what he is talking about." The same feelings are often expressed by family members and friends.

Once denial ceases and the realization of impending death is acknowledged anger develops. "Why me?" or "Why them?" in the case of the significant others. Anger may be felt toward the doctors, toward God, toward family and friends. Anger, though, doesn't change the person's fate. They are still in the process of dying. So next comes bargaining.

In bargaining, the person may become religious, trying to repent for all the sins that may be bringing about their early demise. "If you let me live, I will be a better person, I will help mankind. Please let me live, and I will make it worth your while." This stage, too, will come to an end.

Now the patient, becoming aware he is helpless to prevent his impending fate, enters depression. The patient begins to isolate himself from his surroundings. He relinquishes his responsibilities and begins a period of self mourning. He becomes preoccupied with the fact that his life is coming to an end. Symptoms of depression are obvious to anyone having contact with the patient in this stage. When the patient finally overcomes this depression he will enter the last stage, acceptance.

The patient now reaches what can be seen as an emotionally neutral stage. He almost seems devoid of feelings. Instead of death being viewed as a terrifying or horrible experience, he now peacefully accepts his fate.

As stated above, these stages are not only seen in the dying person but likewise in the family members mourning the loss of a loved one. However, on careful observation we can see these same stages in people who lose anything. It doesn't have to be the loss of a loved one. It could be the loss of a pet, the loss of a job, and even the loss of an inanimate object. Yes, even when a person loses her keys, she may go through the five stages of dying.

First, she denies the loss of the keys. "Oh, I know they are around here somewhere." She patiently looks in her pockets and through her dressers knowing any minute she will find the keys. But soon, she begins to realize she has searched out all of the logical locations. Now you begin to see anger. Slamming the drawers, throwing the pillow of the couch, swearing at those darned keys for disappearing. Then comes bargaining: "If I ever find those keys I will never misplace them again. I will put them in a nice safe place." It is almost like she is asking the keys to come out and assuring them she will never abuse them again. Soon, she realizes the keys are gone. She is depressed. How will she ever again survive in this world without her keys? Then, she finally accepts the fact the keys are gone. She goes out and has a new set made. Life goes on. A week later the lost keys are forgotten.

What does all this have to do with why people don't quit smoking? People who attempt to give up smoking go through these five stages. They must successfully overcome each specific phase to deal with the next. Some people have particular difficulty conquering a specific phase, causing them to relapse back to smoking. Let's analyze these specific phases as encountered by the abstaining smoker.

The first question asked of the group during the smoking clinic was, "How many of you feel that you will never smoke again?" Do you remember the underwhelming response to that question? It is remarkable for even one or two people to raise their hands. For the most part the entire group is in a state of denial - they will not quit smoking. Other prevalent manifestations of denial are: "I don't want to quit smoking," or "I am perfectly healthy while smoking, so why should I stop," or "I am different, I can control my smoking at one or two a day." These people, through their denial, set up obstacles to even attempt quitting and hence have very little chance of success.

Those who successfully overcome denial progress to anger. We hear so many stories of how difficult it is to live with a recovering smoker. Your friends avoid you, your employer sends you home, sometimes permanently, and you are generally no fun to be with. Most smokers do successfully beat this stage.

Bargaining is probably the most dangerous stage in the effort to stop smoking. "Oh boy, I could sneak this one and nobody will ever know it." "Things are really tough today, I will just have one to help me over this problem, no more after that." "Maybe I'll just smoke today, and quit again tomorrow." It may be months before these people even attempt to quit again.

Depression usually follows once you successfully overcome bargaining without taking that first drag. For the first time you start to believe you may actually quit smoking. But instead of being overjoyed, you start to feel like you are giving up your best friend. You remember the good times with cigarettes and disregard the detrimental effects of this dangerous and dirty addiction. At this point more than ever "one day at a time" becomes a life saver. Because tomorrow may bring acceptance.

Once you reach the stage of acceptance, you get a true perspective of what smoking was doing to you and what not smoking can do for you. Within two weeks the addiction is broken and, hopefully, the stages are successfully overcome and, finally, life goes on.

Life becomes much simpler, happier and more manageable as an ex-smoker. Your self esteem is greatly boosted. Your physical state is much better than it would ever have been if you continued to smoke. It is a marvelous state of freedom. Anyone can break the addiction and beat the stages. Then all you must do to maintain this freedom is simply remember - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

sorrel · 15/07/2005 23:05

did anyone see that thing today on Richard and Judy 11th - 15th July 2005

STOP SMOKING The machine called Bicom was originally developed in Germany to combat allergies such as hay fever and conditions such as eczema. It was launched in Britain last month and claims a 70% success rate after just one treatment and 90% after two treatments.
Biocom Stop Smoking Therapy
Monadith Centre
Savita Bhandari
T: 020 8777 5409
61a Hartland Way
Shirley
Croydon
XR0 8RJ
www.monadith.com
Alternatively, people who want to stop smoking can call free on 0800 00 22 00 or email [email protected] :

Don't know anything scientific, but it uses sonic resonance .The testimonials were impressive

charliecat · 16/07/2005 11:00

Does it zap your brain into thining you dont wanna fag? Always dremt of an invention like that!

rickman · 16/07/2005 11:03

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charliecat · 16/07/2005 11:05

Nearly, mentally have, actually havent

charliecat · 16/07/2005 11:05
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evansmummy · 16/07/2005 19:16

Ta for the cut and past, cc.

Makes me realise that the 'depression' stage was so muchharder for me than any of those that came before. I'd actually got into my fifth week, without fags, and felt so depressed and looking for any excuse that I fell off the wagon.

mll, I gave up all through my pregnancy (ok, I smoked one or two, but really only one or two!), and for the first three months of ds's life. Then started occasionally, then, what do you know, smoking 5 a day. Still a lot less than I smoked before, but there's no 'good' amount of cigarettes a day...

I know what you mean about the butt smoking (if I'd mispelt that, that would've been funny). I actually did that (we were smoking rollies at the time though) a few years ago when I tried to stop using Zyban. How gross.

Getting complacent, though. It's been one week smoking, one week off, and now this week smoking again. Have totally lost the oomph we were talking about.

HELP!!!!

mummylonglegs · 16/07/2005 21:52

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charliecat · 16/07/2005 22:00

Cant believe I havent mentioned this, I have a livefree-smokefree wristband in place of the breastcancer ones everyone else has. DD age 7 made one for Daddy and one for Nana out of paper and prittsticked them together, she fell to the floor and started to cry after giving Daddy his and my heart broke for her. I remember trying to stop my mum from smoking, telling her how bad it was for her...and now she had the worry of daddy and nana smoking
Poor Little Shit, how do I explain that?

mummylonglegs · 16/07/2005 22:02

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charliecat · 16/07/2005 22:06

yep, your so right, i have told them both what noone ever told me, that the smokers you see walking about, apparently alive and healthy are the lucky ones, there are many many many more in hospital joined up to tubes having machines breathing for them unable to get out of bed and dead in the cemetry.
I do firmly believe Mr Allen Carr is right in the way he says you think you wont get addicted as its so disgsting and anyway...you think 2-3 weeks later all those other 100s of smokers are fine, you see them everyday, outside the library, in the pub...it cant be THAT bad thinks your brain.

charliecat · 16/07/2005 22:09

How do you think telling my mum if she hasnt given up by my 1 year anniversary im gonna go back to the fags would work? Or is it so addictive she couldnt care?

charliecat · 16/07/2005 22:15

going to watch CSI now xx

mummylonglegs · 16/07/2005 22:30

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charliecat · 17/07/2005 08:53

Probably, to begin with she had saw me fail so many times she always thought I was 5 mins away from a fag and now she doesnt mention it AT ALL. Its me who chants 7 months 2 weeks and 5 days randomly and she says I know! sounding gobsmacked.
Think im gonna run the idea past her, might give her some food for thought any way.

mummylonglegs · 17/07/2005 14:29

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evansmummy · 17/07/2005 21:57

mll, thanks for the tactic. I'm gonna try it in a minute. That should be my biggest motivation, and is definitely now my primary reason for wanting to stop.

I've started to think about it now and it's making me cry. I'm saying to myself, 'yeah, i'll do mll's thing, but only after a fag'.

This is bad...

evansmummy · 17/07/2005 22:00

cc, my mum stopped when I was about 14 and her mum carried on smoking til the bitter end. My mum tried that tactic on hers, and it didn't work.

My mum only managed to smoke on cigarette though, after eight years of having stopped, she found it totally revolting.

My poor grandma chewed gum and carried on smoking, convinced it was helping her stop smoking. She died of a stroke in the end, but suffered from serious senile dementia, made worse by the smoking of 40 a day during 40 years, for the last 3 years of her life. At the end she didn't even recognise us anymore.

I know it kills my mum to see me smoking now and she just thinks of her mum and wishes I'd stop. I need to make her proud...