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Oh crap, Toot's post wasn't there when I first started writing my essay.

My intention was not to rain on your parade, I'm so sorry.

I'm also so sorry that you are going through this Toot. It's such a hard time, I hope you have enough support around you.

oh moveit, I am sorry. And it's all still so recent for you.

(I cannot make a meet in London.)

Lemur, that is very sad and moving.

I am glad you can talk baout it though.

Oh gosh moveit, I don't know what to say, how absolutely heartbreaking, I'm so sorry. Am glad you told us, you must talk about him as much or as little as you feel comfortable and see how you feel about coming - can see what a huge thing it'd be to go back there.

Sorry Avi, I didn't mail back because had NO idea if I could work it out and get dp to have dd1 etc - and it's only actually come together yesterday. It's having it on a Sunday which makes childcare tricky - as we'd have to stay over sunday night.

Big hug Lemur xx

Avi, I don't knwo if I emailed you or not
And I can't remeber your name so can't find you in my email inbox
Sorry.

Lemur. How brave of you to share. I'm so sorry to hear this. Just hugs.x

LR, I have emailed Avi about both of us.

Oh well Lemur, I'm so pleased you've said it. I think you decide how you feel about the meet-up re Greenwich though.

A friend of mine whose baby died she always says how she doesn't know how to answer the question, 'is this your first? because she wants to say 'no, no I had another child, and here you must know everything about this child because he's so precious and special and important to me and I want you to know everything about it and how huge he is in my life'

but then realizes she can't - other people's awkwardness mostly - and REALLY hates that then. Like she's supposed to forget about him, which she never ever ever wants to do.

So I'm pleased you told us, and hope you will feel happy talk about ds1 whenever you need.

Yes, Fra, I am utterly gutted by this sad coincidence. You know I really think I might have chosen the vegger picnic over another dh family birthday 'trip'. Weird but true.

We are mid way through a chess weekend ds1 playing all weekend and another and dd playing tomorrow at a different championship and let's have another I am a bit perplexed by this tbh.

however ds2 and dd and I had the day free and we went to see Coraline which is wonderfully marvellously good and we all adored every second and sat with our mouths hanging open, gripping each other's hands and our 3 d glasses on. Was good.

dd1 really wants to go and see Coraline for her birthday, but we can't find a friend brave enough! She LOVES to be scared - we watched the trailer and she's been dying to see it ever since, but I'd hate to freak out one of her friends. Was it scary?

Franny, the Charles Pooter thing wasn't meant as a criticism, it's a good thing and to be encouraged. It was your 'vegetating rather than vegging' I just heard a ROAR after it.

Lemur, and Toot...(())

Well. We had a MASSIVE discussion about this very subject. A friend had told me that it isn't as scary as the trailer, so I told ds2 this - who gets frit in exactly the same way I do. He said 'I don't mind about the button eyes - it's those dogs in the theatre' and looked all pale and wide-eyed about the weirdy dogs.

Eventually, we decided to give it a go, confident that we could close our eyes. I hate being scared so does ds2. DD made of tougher stuff.

In the end it wasn't that scary actually. DD got upset, but loved being upset if that makes sense. It's wonderful and imaginative and just the right bit scary and THRILLING and dangerous, but Coraline is confident always.

I would worry about taking some of dd's friends but not others. You need someone who likes the grimmer side of fairy tales really.

God, it's so good. Go on your own if nobody is suitable. I'll send dd in the post if you like. She gripped my arm and I gripped hers quite a lot and honest all Loved Every Second.

i have just asked ds2 re dd's birthday. He said, 'if they were boys they'd either come out saying 'I...I..I.. wasn't frightened' or 'that was the best movie evah' I don't know anything about girls.'

So that was helpful

Thanks ladies, you made me cry, but in a good way.

100 I feel exactly the way your friend does, it's hard enough to deal with the grief, nevermind other people's awkwardness and embaressment. Being very English I worry about others, too much really.

franny - when did ds2 start to crawl? I don't remember you mentioning it before. Do you still swaddle? I have some swaddling questions.

LOL at ds2.

It sounds brilliant, maybe I should take her on her own, am looking forward to it as much as she is.

Me and dd2 having night on our own so we have pizza and duvet and her choice of TV which is blinkin' Primeval [awful shite]

I love scary films as in horrors but I don't think I'd like Coraline. There's something in the way it is styled that freaks me out. There used to be an advert on tv for an alcopop that had the slogan which was something to do with judder or juddering. It was styled like a eastern block or Scandinavian film/cartoon and it used to really freak me out big time.

X-posts.

Can totally see how hard it must be to worry about other people's reactions as well moveit.

Ooh i remember that one - judderman or something, was like shock headed peter - went to see that at the theatre with the tiger lilies doign the music, mixture of puppets and actors, it was TERRIFYING! and wonderful.

Yes Lemur! She says she feels like she might be an tragic opera singer all the time. Opening her mouth and wanting to let it all flood out, and everyone putting their hands over their ears. It's a good image I think.

Silly though, too. I think it's better, as a rule, to be open about it but I absolutely see why you and she feel that is just too bad. There's something about subsequent children too - as though everyone thinks 'oh well, that's all right then' whereas the truth is totally different.

I must go and eat.

Lemur so sorry to hear about your darling boy. I won't say anything else. I'm struggling to think of anything through floods of tears. Sorry, still post-natally hormonal. But sending you hugs and I'm so glad you've told us. There must have been times when you felt a bit odd not talking about him.

I was thinking about swaddling just now. Never tried it before but ds wakes early (think I mentioned this the other week) and won't go back in his basket. He's fine in bed next to me at the moment but I guess he'll be rolling soon enough so won't want to put him on the edge of the bed any more. I know you can get swaddle things with velcro but could I just use a blanket.

Not heard of the film but it sounds wierd

Shocking f&v day. But ds is 12 weeks today

I'm selling a baby record book on ebay - we had one and were bought another one - and it's gone for more than you get it for on amazon! Inc postage a couple of quid more

lemur i had no idea about greenwich and can see that it could go either way. rather an unfortunate co-incidence. i am glad you said you love to talk about C because i have often wanted to ask stuff but did not know if / how to. would you tell us more about him? is ds2 like him?

my ds2 just started crawling this week! he is amusing himself no end just crawling to different parts of the room and then sitting there enjoying the new view. it's a lovely age isn't it? he also signs "all done" when he wants to get down from the high chair. or actually i think he just does it because it amuses him, and because he CAN

boco well i am fond of c.pooter but hardly my primary role model. dp and i are VERY like the pooters at times i think. maybe all happyish couples are? but you catch yourself in the middle of it and cringe

Pink, I think I'm still pn hormonal and Baby Lemur is 8mo

I can't believe your little un is 12wo already

Baby Lemur is swaddled for his daytime naps in a blanket, but he can now flip onto his tummy whilst still swaddled which worries me a bit. He seems totally unconcerned, but I'm not sure it's safe.

oh swaddling
well we still do it but he gets out now and i just don't know what to do
i carried on because it stops him scratching to some extent, and because the one time i tried a grobag he just thrashed around for 2 hours until i got up and took it off and swaddled him
however he managed to get his hand in his sleepsuit last night and scratch himself pretty badly, so it is the grobag again
wish me luck
i don't anticipate lots of sleep

pink the velcro things are a bit poor ime - just use a cotton sheet or something with a little stretch is ideal
i bought a length of jersey and double it over and use that - you can pull it nice and tight

are you worried about the flipping per se or the flipping in a swaddle? i think they say once they can flip then there's not much you can do about them sleeping on their tummies
what do you do at night?