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Fag Free for 2005....Join us.....We need Help!

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charliecat · 13/04/2005 10:41

I cried when I read how many failures theres been and applauded hub2dees approach as sometimes theres no point pussyfooting....come on guys! Its got to be done.
I am so so so gutted that theres been vile puffing going on...did you REALLY enjoy any of them. Truely satisfying were they? No No No! Tell you what though...waking up knowing that bastard nicotine monster has got no grip on me whatsoever is liberating. I could touch the sky with the high that im free. No chain round my neck.
Remember that just one is never just one and even if it was, why would you want JUST ONE? Your aim is to STOP FOREVER.

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charliecat · 11/05/2005 11:42

So is monday the date then?

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hub2dee · 11/05/2005 11:53

you said it, mml.

I think one other thing is important (and possibly you'd disagree) but I think RL support for this is crucial.

We can type and gush and admonish as much as we like, but we won't be with you, with the fag packet, near the corner shop...

I think you need to advertise widely to your social network what you're doing, with instructions as clear as you told us. Dp needs to know this is not like the other times, and if he's a 'take it or leave it' smoker, he should have the decency to start a permanent 'leave it' for you. Maybe your dd could also tell you not to smoke ? Do you have any non / anti-smoking / properly quitted friends you can meet / have coffee with / they can come round etc... ?

fee77 · 11/05/2005 13:29

Hi guys - it has taken me ages to catch up!
CC, 6 months that is fantastic, it seems you have finally cracked it, but don't let your guard down!
Prettyfly well done - i am so pleased for you, and wish you a wonderful fag free life together.
Not only am i fag free, but i have also lost a stone in weight - yipee! I put 1/2 stone on when i quit, so i am now smaller than before! Sill on the diet, and still feeling very positive. But still get the odd urge!
Come on whymummy, i know you fancy some clean living! Try reading through some of your past messages, to remind you how good it felt.

almost40 · 11/05/2005 13:48

Hi all! CC, your girls are gorgeous - how old are they? Still can't remember the last lapse I had, but aside from the few lapses, I've been off the death sticks for now aboug 5 months, and I do feel that it has strangely gotten easier lately. I can't quite place why, but I have not had the urge in at least 3-4 weeks. Hang in there everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elsmommy · 11/05/2005 15:46

I'm sick of denying myself something that I want...
When will I not want a fag anymore?

charliecat · 11/05/2005 17:35

Erm...is it really a fag that you want? Is it not just the 5 minutes to yourself...the break away from everything?

Heres something from a copy and paste last night.....You want a cigarette: Do I? What do I want? Specifically? What about the cigarette do I crave? Okay, fine. Maybe I want the "ahhh" feeling. But, wait, I'm through withdrawal. The first cigarette won't even give me the "ahhh" feeling anymore, because the "ahhh" feeling came from nicotine's ability to stave off the early withdrawal I felt after not smoking for 30 minutes or an hour. Now that I'm no longer in withdrawal, I'll only get dizzy and sickly from the first one, and that first one will be followed by the next one and the next one as I search for the "ahhh" feeling, and long before I ever get the "ahh" feeling, I'll realize I'm hooked again. Heck, I'll realize it after the first one.

You can handle just one: Can I? Why is it that in the past when I said that to myself, it didn't work out like I planned? If I could get by on just one, why didn't I smoke just one every now and again when I smoked, instead of smoking all of those other ones I didn't want? No. There is no such thing as just one for me, or the other greater than 90% of the smokers out there who smoke whenever their addiction demands that they smoke.

You NEED just this one: Do I really believe that I NEED to inhale hundreds of toxic chemicals into my lungs to get through this given situation? Do I really believe that I need to recommit to my addiction so that I can dull the feelings associated with this situation.

You need to start thinking in a more positive manner, you are NOT depriving yourself, you have freed yourself...and Mummylonglegs and Evansmummy to name 2 would love to be in your position. Wouldnt you guys?

This ones a long one but please read it!

The recovered alcoholic, the heroin addict, the nicotine addict, deep down each knows the "Law of Addiction." They?ve heard it over and over again. Just one sip, one tiny fix, or one little puff of nicotine, just once, that's all it takes and the addict is back! They know that either immediately or in a short period of time they'll once again be slaves to their old level of drug use or greater. We know the Law of Addiction so why do we break it?

There are three primary factors associated with relapse: (1) rewriting the law of addiction; (2) an excuse; and (3) a vague memory. It doesn?t matter if it happens within two hours, two days, two weeks, two months, two years, or twenty, the factors remain the same and apply to all of us. Rewriting the law of addiction is easy and you don?t need a pencil, paper or computer to do it.

Amending the Law of Addition

?Just one puff? and then ?do not pass go, do not collect $200, but go directly to the addict?s prison and surrender your freedom for good.? It isn?t that the recovering nicotine addict doesn?t know or believe the law of addiction because we do. It?s just that we begin to believe that we?re the exception. We convince ourselves that we?re stronger and smarter than those who discovered the law, and wiser than all addicts who came before us. We amend the law. We put ourselves above it. ?Just one, it?ll be ok, I can handle it, I'm stronger than the others, a little reward, it's been a while, I?ve earned it.?

I?m sorry. As soon as such thoughts begin infecting the mind they tend to start feeding on themselves and in all likelihood your body's period of healing and freedom is over. Your dreams and hard work are all being thrown into a dirty toilet that one puff of nicotine is about to flush.

Instead of saying that you can handle? just one ,? a truthful statement would have been ?I can handle them all, give them all back to me, my entire addiction, all the ashtrays, the coughs, the stink, the endless stream of 4,000 plus deadly chemicals that come with each puff (including 43 known cancer causing agents), the constant gradual destruction of every cell in my lungs and the gradual clogging and hardening of every blood vessel in my body, the 50/50 chance of killing myself at least 14 years early, all the money it will cost me to stay enslaved for years and years to come (together with massive future price increases designed to get me to quit), the growing social pressures that will make me feel even more like an outcast, I want it all back, all of it!?

It?s far easier for the junkie mind to create a one puff or one cigarette exception to the ?law? than admit the truth. A one pack a day addiction is 7,300 cigarettes a year. Don?t picture smoking just one. Instead, picture yourself sticking at least a year's supply into your mouth all at once. Try fitting them all into your mouth because in truth that's exactly where they'll be going, year after year after year. ?To thine own self be true.? You deserve the truth - you paid the price - you earned it.

The Perfect Excuse

The excuse can be anything. Usually the addict waits for that great excuse to come along, but some get tired of waiting and any old excuse will do. Even joy! A reunion with an old smoking buddy, a few drinks with friends, a wedding, a graduation, or even a baby?s birth and a free nicotine laden cigar, or trying a harmless looking new nicotine delivery device like the 27 flavors of suckers, the straw, lozenges, candy or even nicotine water or soda, why not! But joyful or even stupid nicotine relapse is harder to explain to yourself and to those you love.

The smart nicotine addict waits for the great excuse, the one that we know we can sell to ourselves and others. As sick as it may sound, the easiest to sell and the best of all is the death of a loved one. Although everyone we love is destined to die and it will happen sooner or later, for the reformed addict it?s the perfect excuse for relapse. I mean, who can blame us for ingesting highly addictive drugs into our bodies upon our mother?s death. Anyone who does would have to be extremely insensitive or totally heartless! Right? Losing a job, the end of a relationship, serious illness, disease or financial problems are all great excuses too - it?s drug time again! The addict is back!

Lost Memories

But an excuse doesn?t work alone. It needs help. Failing memories of ?why? we were willing to put ourselves through the anxieties and emotion of physical withdrawal, and weeks and weeks of psychological adjustment in order to break free, breathe fatal life into any excuse. Most of us failed to keep a detailed record of why we commenced recovery or what it was like. Instead, we are forced to rely upon our memory to accurately and vividly preserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But now, the memory in which we placed all our trust has failed us.

It isn?t that your memory is bad, faulty or doing anything wrong. In fact, it?s working as it should to preserve in as much detail as possible the joyful events of life, while forgetting, as quickly as possible, all the pain and anguish that we?ve felt, including our disdain for the addict's life we lived. To have our brains do otherwise would make life inside our minds unbearable. If women were forced to remember the true agony and intense pain of childbirth, most would have just one. We are each blessed with the gift to forget.

So how does the reformed nicotine addict who failed to keep accurate records of their journey revive their passion for freedom and recall liberty's price? If we forget the past, are we destined to repeat it? Not necessarily. It doesn?t have to be. But just as any loving relationship needs nourishment to flourish, we can never take our recovery for granted or the flame will eventually die and the fire will go out. We have to want to protect this glory until the day we die. We have to turn that "want" into action. If we do, we win. If not, our fate may be up in the air with serious risk of relapse followed by crippling disease or even a very early grave.

Whether it?s daily, weekly or monthly, our recovery needs care. If you don?t have a detailed log to regularly review when faced with adversity, upon each anniversary of your quit or at each birthday, do your best to create one now. Talk to those still smoking and ask for help in revitalizing your memories. Encourage them to be as truthful as possible. Although they may look like they?re enjoying their addiction to smoking nicotine, the primary joy they get is in keeping their body?s blood serum nicotine level within the comfort zone, so as to avoid the onset of the anxieties and craves of early withdrawal. Show them your pen and paper and invite them to help you create your list. You may even cause a spark in them. Be kind and sincere. It wasn't long ago that those were our shoes.

Also, try envisioning the first week. What was it like? Can you still feel the powerful craves as your body begged and cried to be fed? Can you still feel the pain? Do you see yourself not being able to concentrate, having difficulty sleeping, feeling depressed, angry, irritable, frustrated, restless, with tremendous anxiety, a foggy mind, sweating palms, rapidly cycling emotions, irrational thinking, emotional outbursts or even the shakes? Do you remember these things? Do you remember the price you paid for freedom? Do you remember why you were willing to pay it?

If you have access to a computer, you won't need a smoker?s help or even to recall the early days of your own journey. You can go on-line to scores of smoking cessation support groups and find thousands of battles being fought, hear tons of cries and watch hundreds struggling for survival as they cling to the promise of the rich sense of inner calmness, quiet and comfort that lies beyond. Visit as often as possible. Make a few posts to those in need. The most important thing you can tell them is the truth about why you are there. Tell them how comfortable and complacent you've become. It's what they yearn to hear! Many smoked their entire adult life and have a difficult time believing that withdrawal isn't permanent. Fear of the unknown is frightening. Help them and in doing so help yourself.

If you find yourself attempting to rewrite the law of addiction, stop, think, remember, read, revisit, revive and give to others, but most important, be honest with you. Terrible and emotional events will happen in each of our lives - such is life. Adding full-blown nicotine relapse to any situation won?t fix, correct or undo your underlying concern. In your mind, plan for disaster today. How will you cope and keep your healing alive should the person you love most in this world suddenly die? What will you do?

Remember, we've only traded places with our chemical dependency and the key to the cell is one puff of nicotine. As long as we stay on this side of the bars, we are the jailors and our dependency the prisoner. We only have two choices. We can complete this temporary period of adjustment and enjoy comfortable probation for life or we can smoke nicotine, relapse, and intentionally inflict cruel and unusual punishment upon these innocent bodies for the remainder of their life, together with inviting a 50/50 chance that you'll be putting yourself to death. If the first choice sounds better - comfortable lifetime probation - then we each need only follow one simple rule - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Breathe deep, hug hard, live long!

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hub2dee · 12/05/2005 08:36

cc: you're more experienced with this stuff than me....

Are there a small handful of decent support 'phone lines for quitters ? Where you can phone if you're trying to quit / about to have a fag, that kind of thing ? Could you post a couple of names / numbers ?

mummylonglegs · 12/05/2005 14:44

yes, cc, Monday's the day. Yesterday I was thinking 'yes!' today I'm thinking 'oh hell ...' Cc your cut and pastes are truly wonderful. I'm going to keep going back to them when I'm in the throes next week!

I also know exactly how I appear to you smoke-free folk. I'm not under any illusions as to the nature of my constant procrastinations. I remember what it's like to be fag-free and seeing other people still hooked. But I'm sure you ex-smokers can remember how horrible it is that first few weeks and know what I'm up against.

hub, dp will be supportive, of course he will, he doesn't want me to smoke. But he's not here a lot of the time as he works VERY long hours especially during the week. Plus he's seen go through this so many times he probably won't take it all that seriously at first for which I don't blame him. As for getting a RL support network, well, I hardly ever smoke around anyone I know and certainly not dd so she won't notice much of a difference except for the odours she picks up from me from time to time. She's never actually seen me smoke I've been quite definite about that. She once saw dp with a roll-up and was utterly fascinated in a 'what's daddy eating?' kind of way. In terms of close friends who do know I smoke they will definitely be supportive but I don't see them all that often. So it IS largely going to be down to me. My mum doesn't know I started again after my last quit at the end of last year, I couldn't bear to tell her. I'd stayed fag-free for 2 months and was basically over the worst. If only I hadn't slipped.

hub2dee · 12/05/2005 14:57

A secretive squirrel smoker, mml.

Well, this thread'll be here for you.

BTW - did you read that smoking / cot death thread (active last day or so)...

Hope you enjoy your birthday.

Line up some cake !!!

hub2dee · 12/05/2005 14:58

Sorry, I keep mml'ing you when I should either mll or address you fully.

GOOD LUCK.

fionagib · 12/05/2005 16:07

you could have a cake made out of ground up nicotine lozenges mml!

mummylonglegs · 12/05/2005 22:36

What are these lozenges, fg?

fionagib · 12/05/2005 22:53

mll - I've been trying to quit smoking for about 15 years and these are the only things that have 'worked' for me, basically cos you can stick one in your mouth when you feel like a fag, so you feel like you're 'doing' something, rather than patches, which are just 'there' (used to smoke when I had a patch on!!)

They're a kind of nicotine replacement therapy like patches or nicotine gum. You can get different strengths from Boots or any chemist - the ideas is you work towards a lower niccy dose (am on 1mg now, but am prob seriously addicted, I bloody love 'em!)

Why not give them a whirl? Seriously mml I was a serious smoker and these are the only things that have worked for me - have tried laser therapy, hynotherpay, allen carr, patches, the whole blinking lot. And I don't mind being hooked on lozzies temporarily if it means I've broken the smoking a cig habit.

dropinthe · 13/05/2005 14:03

Same here Fionagib and MML-I love them too-still make me feel like Ive got something to look forward to,(yummy nicotine-urghhh!),after food,stressful times etc.They are the only thing that has worked for me (apart from stopping after last ds was born for 4 months and then just the one...).and mnet has helped amazingly well to-whymummy and charliecat in particular gave me loads of encouragement and its was so nice to feel I wasnt alone-perhaps mummylonglegs you could start a new thread on the day you give up seeing if anyone else wants to quit with you then you will have someone who is REALLY going through those first throws of hell!Perhaps post at the weekend,Delia Smith stylie.."Common lets be 'avin you..."and see if anyone else on here is willing to stop too-if not,we all seem to come on here most days for our daily fix of smugness or to help the others who are nearly there(whymummy???why don't you stop on Monday too so you can help mmls???no excuses!)
Anyway,wont be around until Monday so wanted to wish you great courage and determination-as Ive said to you before just do it for your daughters sake if not for your own and be STRONG!!

PS. Buy a packet of 36 lozenges to see if you like them-read the back for info on to try 4mg or 2 mg first,depending on how soon you smoke when waking up in the morning.

TwoAngels · 13/05/2005 17:17

MML hiya just been informed on the thread I started regarding quitting smoking on monday by charliecat that u too are also taking to plunge on monday too Good luck hun

hub2dee · 13/05/2005 18:24

Maybe also prep for Monday by buying useful bits to keep your hands / mouth occupied - carrot sticks, apples etc.

Good luck mll.

mummylonglegs · 13/05/2005 20:58

Ok, I'm convinced, and am off to Boots in the morning!

Hello TwoAngels, yes pleeeaassseee, it would be brilliant to have someone to go through this with!

TwoAngels · 13/05/2005 21:46

Yeyyyyyy MLL thankyou

as I mentioned on the other thread am pooing myself but am sooooo gonna do it and U WILL TOO just think of all the good things that are gonna come from it

Are u feeling a wee bit excited?? I know its strange and I will proberbly be crying and stuff on monday but as long as ur here and evryone else is here to give each other virtual slaps think we'll be good

hub2dee · 14/05/2005 11:25

Good luck both of you.

mummylonglegs · 14/05/2005 14:22

I hope so, TwoAngels. I know what you mean about being a bit excited but I'm also dreading it and feel lots of worries I won't succeed.

How long / how many have you been puffing? I was a much heavier smoker (30-a-day at my worst! ) before getting pregnant with dd in January 02. I didn't manage to stop when pregnant but only smoked about 2 a day. I kept it low when she was first born but it crept up and up until it was about 5-10 a day which is where I am now. I desperately want to stop I loathe every morning I wake up still a smoker. I've stopped 3 times since I was in my teens when I first started. Once for about 2-3 years in my early twenties, again for almost 2 years when I first met dp about 8 years ago now, and again just last year for 2 months before Christmas. The first time I stopped was easy as I wasn't a 'hardened' smoker, the second was tough but I had a fantastic resolve that time and the third was extremely tough and I never quite got over the cravings both physical and psychological. I think because of that last time i stopped I'm dreading it so much. Also because I constantly have to tell myself why I'm doing it rather than just 'feeling' it. It's the resolve I'm lacking this time rather than the reasons.

Anyway it's my birthday tomorrow, I'll be bloody 39 and I swore I'd never smoke beyond 30. If I'm smoking at 40 I'll hate myself forever!

Tell me some stuff about you? I'm tending to be brutally honest on here as there's not point to me otherwise. But don't feel you have to be, it'd just be nice to have a bit of background to know what you're up against too!

mummylonglegs · 14/05/2005 14:24

hub, by the way, you may find this hard to imagine but having never been a comfort eater having food and snacks around just makes me want to smoke more rather than less because I equate eating with smoking so much. I enjoy the thought of the post-prandial smoke more than the meal! Saddo that I am .

hub2dee · 14/05/2005 15:15

Well, soup and water and bread then, mll.

TwoAngels · 14/05/2005 15:51

MLL k here goes

I started smoking at the age of 14 started off around 10 a day then I left school and left home and started having around 20 but since then over the years the daily cigs have gotton waaaaay out of control and now i'm on around 40 a day 50 max . I never stopped smoking either when pregnant with DD1 but cut back down to 20 and went on lighter strengh thinking (very very nieve sp?) that it wouldn't effect baby so much which it hasn't appeared too, but with DD2 stayed on normal strengh and cut down to 20 again and I think is a big contribution to her asthma which I am so ashamed of although doctors reasured me at birth the placenta was ok when I asked if I have harmed her but I ain't stupid and am sure it must of done something.

Anyway went straight bk up to 40 to 50 a day again (obviously never in frount of my DD's) but whilst at work as smoking in the office has been aloud over the years but has now stopped THANK GOD!!

I have never until the yesterday even thought about quitting

As life has gone alot down hill for a number of years from divorce, clinical depression ect... But a few months ago things are really getting better in life where i feel as though i'm on the right path so obviously less stress and it just totally entered my head yesterday " right Sack this malaki I'm quitting smoking"
Not sure where it came from but I know if anything is gonna happen in my life it's me who has to make that desion and OMG I have YEYYYYY

Hun at least your trying again I know of anumber of smokers who tried to quit a couple of times and relapsed and have turned round and said never again will they try stop again.

I think as long as we have the support and peeps to turn to and keep are fingers and mouths busy for the pyscholgical cravings times maybe we will get through it. but i'm really so worried like you that I will fail but really u shouldn't hate urself MLL u are trying hun but gotta a feeling u will be ok don't ask me why but I just do now me on the other hand hmmmmmm LOL

TwoAngels · 14/05/2005 15:55

MML>>>>I enjoy the thought of the post-prandial smoke more than the meal! Saddo that I am .

Am sooooo the same

hub2dee · 14/05/2005 16:20

TwoAngels: v. encouraged you seemed to think about this the other day and thought 'sod this addiction for a laugh'. I'm pleased you are acting on this striaght away. That's great.

If you have enough time, read through the thread. charliecat has been pasting a lot of fantastic info on quitting.

Good luck (to both of you)...

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