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You're a part-time vegger and full time friend... 10/10 thread - all welcome

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pinkspottywellies · 18/07/2008 15:56

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aviatrix · 24/07/2008 16:23

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FrannyandZooey · 24/07/2008 16:45

right next thing is to apologise to people who texted and didn't get a reply
I was trying to send a daily bulletin via
MrsC but also get around to replying individually as well but most days there didn't seem to be a chance to eat or sleep let alone get other stuff done

right this is more or less what happened
do not read if easily bored or upset by hospitally things as some of it is a bit nasty

as you know I had been concerned about feeding, but all the midwives I saw kept writing "feeding well" in the notes and leaving it
by Sunday we were thinking was it right for him to be grizzling like this but only had ds to compare with, which a) was 5 years earlier and b) was kind of contented little person
still not feeding properly though but no advice being offered
midwife came and "just didn't like the look of him" - thought he had a chest infection, wanted us to go to hosp to be assessed
when we got there everything went bonkers- all these horribly intrusive tests and everything spiralling down very fast
they said his blood sugar was low, he was dehydrated and he had jaundice
what they couldn't say was whether this had been caused by an infection which led him to feed poorly, and so cause the problems, or whether just some problems with bfing alone were the cause
blood tests looking for infection showed one marker was high - which meant probably some infection in the body - they needed more time to establish where
meanwhile he needed a drip to rehydrate and raise blood sugar
this was when they were saying he had to have formula
I had seen this coming a mile off and dug my heels in
I said I would express and they could feed him if necessary
I was asked "is there a REASON you prefer him not to have formula?"
erm yes I believe bm to be better and I want to bf him
"oh but we would not want you to stop bfing"
right
no support offered to help with bfing btw, just pressure to have a bottle of formula
anyway
moving on (he did not have one)

the blood tests went on and on and were pretty upsetting
he was beside himself a lot of the time and there was absolutely nothing I could do to help him
it was honestly like some sort of nightmare and I am so sorry for those of you who have said you went through similar or worse
in the night time he had to have light treatment for the jaundice - this was also horrid - he had to lie in a resuscitaire with his eyes covered and I was told not to pick him up to feed him as he had to stay there for at least 4 hours before we could move him
(so, he'd been admitted with low blood sugar, jaundice, and dehydration, but I am not allowed to bf him? right 0

thank FUCK a slightly mad renegade nurse from India came on shift, walked in, saw L crying and said "hungry baby, you feed him" and handed him to me
he only needed a few hours under the lights and I was able to feed and cuddle him for periods - they also gave calpol to settle him which helped

he was then allowed to come out of light thingy but still on heart monitor, drip and I had to ask nurses every time I wanted to pick him up or feed him
he was not feeding well at all
no support offered - I asked to see bfing counsellor "she is busy"

the consultant came round and explained that they would have to consider meningitis a possibility unless we had a lumbar puncture
and would need to stay in for 10 days of abs instead of perhaps 3

thank god on Tues and Wed he started to pick up
we realised he really had been ill for whatever reason - I still wonder if a poor start to feeding coupled with an afternoon of interventions at the hosp and very limited chance to bf at all for a long period could have caused the whole thing
anyway we are happy to go with consultant's caution and assume it could have been meningitis - we decided against lumbar puncture though and to just go for the full 10 days of meds even though at that point we thought it meant staying in the hosp all that time - which was ruddy depressing

oh still no breastfeeding support. I asked constantly and was told "bf co-ordinator not in today" "midwives all busy" "she will come tomorrow" "we can't help, we are not trained"
I rang LLL leader and she came in (voluntarily in her own time) to see me. By that time we had managed to have 2 good feeds in between all the crap ones so she was able to give me good advice on how to keep that going
I did think of the threads where bfing supporters are called nazis and all that shit and got ruddy angry
this woman came to help me unpaid in her own time when no other fucker would
you have to be slightly militant to do that

anyway then on Wed I got ill myself

right L wants feeding, more later! or tomorrow
sorry so long

womblingalong · 24/07/2008 16:49

Thank you so much for the update Fran, it sounds awful, well done you and L and Mad Nurse and LLL woman! You must have been so stressed and worried.

Good on you for not giving in, it is no suprise that so many peeps don't bf.

FrayedKnot · 24/07/2008 17:01

I haven;t read anything below yuor posts Fran, just to say thank goodness you are all on the mend and should be home properly very soon....while knowing that you would have stuck to your guns re b/f, it is incredulous that they should be so totally unsupportive...many people I'm sure would just have caved in thinking the staff knew best and being frightened

I do feel like using the C word to descibe them tbh

Hoorah for the LLL woman too

And hopefully you will soon be able to enjoy the parcels

How has DS1 been through all this?

ahundredtimes · 24/07/2008 17:25

Ah Franster.

You've done good, you know. Keep talking, it's important I think.

I remember a renegade nurse in SCBU too, she picked up ds1 and shouted 'dis baby is ready to suck, WHERE is his Mama?' She was great, she even showed me how to do it.

I'm sorry about it all, because it isn't supposed to happen. But given that it did, you've done brilliantly.

Avi - that made me lolol.

Boco · 24/07/2008 17:32

Oooh you've left us on a cliff hanger there!

Glad you're home, you sound good and positive and things are getting better.

DD2 was in the light box thing with the blindfold, day and night for a week because of rhesus disease so I know how horrid that is - the worst bit is putting the blindfold on when they're awake - also wasn't allowed to feed or pick up, only every 4 hours for 15 minutes - and they gave formula. BUT - once we got home all was fine, she still got into bfing despite the wobbly start, L will be fine too.

glad you have lots of lovely things to play with and distract you!

S1ur · 24/07/2008 17:44

Hello, sorry for crashing but I wanted to come back pleeease?

But having read the last few posts, I feel like I'm intruding a bit. What a scary experience Franny, I'm very glad things are picking up for you and L .

(I'll come back later at a more appropriate moment if that's ok, with lists and lists of veg.)

LullyOfShallot · 24/07/2008 18:05

Oh how lovely,
Welcome home Franny & little L x

I think you have both coped amazingly well in the circumstances.So glad you are feeling better & home

UnderRated · 24/07/2008 18:14

Am glad you are home now, Franny.

DS was under the lights for jaundice for days. It was horrible. They wouldn't let me BF him because he didn't really get how to do it so it took ages & that meant too long out of the lights which meant that he didn't get the hang of BF for five months Thank goodness for LLL & kind BF support people who volunteer their time. Hospitals are not nice places at the best of times, but with a newborn who is unwell, they are awful.

littlerach · 24/07/2008 18:35

Is L at home too?

Dd1 was prem and after SCBU she had one daym then was jaundiced.

She was ridiculously tiny (5 lbs) and had to lie in her incubator with those scraily bright lights on. She was so small, they had to cut her nappies to fit her and it was v hard to get the blinfold thing in her.

Still makes me when I remember now.

UnderRated · 24/07/2008 18:51

Why is there casein in my soy cheese?

at all the little babies in SCBUs

Guadalupe · 24/07/2008 19:19

It sounds like a total nightmare, Franny. Well done you for getting through it and being strong. Sounds like loads of babies on here had similar starts and they are all lively bundles!

Next week will be a fresh start. Dp and ds must be thrilled to have you back too. I can't believe how alike they look.

filthymindedvixen · 24/07/2008 19:37

oh darling darling franny, so glad all is better...keep on getting yourselves better!!

I was really upset by the meningitis thingy and the lumbar puncture, having had experience of it all.

Give that beautiful baby a big hug from us and get your lovely dp to give you a big hug from us too

stir fry with the prettiest stripey red and white beetroot, pak choi, peas, onions, garlic, mushrooms, peppers, brocooli, red cabbage and turkey.
Baked pot with huge salad for lunch.

And er, jaffa cakes. It's that time of the month, oh yes. I obviously need the combination of iron-rich dark chocolate and orange to help iron absorption

berolina · 24/07/2008 19:44

Oh Franny. So much of what you write is familiar - horrid, isn't it? and terribly disorientating. Well done - you sound like you have done so well, to keep a clear head.

pinkspottywellies · 24/07/2008 20:02

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Franny's back

Although I guess she'll be back at hospital by now!! But it's good news that it's all perking up

I've really missed you Franny and it's even worse that we've all been so worried too. You've been amazing by the sound of it

Today I have had courgettes, beans, salad, raisins, banana, pear, oj. Hmm 7 not bad

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TooTicky · 24/07/2008 20:12

Franny, SO glad you are sort of home. Except you won't be now. But hello for tomorrow.

FrayedKnot · 24/07/2008 20:28

I'm sitting in the garden, 'tis luvverly out here

pinkspottywellies · 24/07/2008 20:34

Sounds lovely FK it's not really warm enough here for sitting out.

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FrayedKnot · 24/07/2008 20:36

I have been joined by my cat who is coughing upa furball

And Pink, my toes are actually a little bit cold

S1ur · 24/07/2008 22:23

So I can list yes?

banana breakfast, sweet potato, onion and thyme soup, avocado salad with tomato, rocket, lettace, cucumber and mushrooms omlette. oooh and grapes I ate grapes.

Does heaving heavy white goods about count as exercise? I did have to bend quite a lot into small spaces as well.

MamaG · 24/07/2008 22:28

God Franny you've really been through the mill

Hoorah for LLL woman and mad nurse (deserve a medal)

UnderRated · 25/07/2008 00:22

Why are you shifting White Goods, Slur?

lettuce (2)
bananas (2)
Mango (1)
Pluot (.5 - I 'shared' with DS which meant I got to eat the skin)
black beans (1)
Tomatoes (2+)

Will have another banana and some juice. So will be 10, I think.

DS did a poo on the floor today because he was 'being an animal'

How's L, Franny?

S1ur · 25/07/2008 00:34

I am actually a burgular. A bad one who moans about lifting and offers to make the tea instead.

Well okay, DP bought a dishwasher off ebay for £30. It was a fit of rebellion against the never bloody ending washing up. So things had to move in the kitchen.

Have had another apple now.

Sounds very imaginative UR, really getting into role. Any chance of persuading him that actually most jungle animals use the loo its just Attenborough always misses it?

L is so gorgeous Fran, I hope you are getting the chance to breathe a bit now, how strong of you to stand your ground about feeding, that cannot have been easy.

S1ur · 25/07/2008 00:35

burglar

UnderRated · 25/07/2008 00:48

You're up late Slur. Dishwasher moving can't have been fun but am sure will be worth it

Will work on DS and the poo thing. I blame my Dad for sending books about poo. Will avoid the zoo and Attenborough is definitely off limits til DS is sure he is a human. Sometimes I wonder...

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