MMR single vaccines just a bit of info please.

[leander]

I feel a bit nervous posting this as i dont want to start anymore arguments,but we got our app through for ds's mmr.We would prefer to give him the single vaccines but people keep saying they are not licensed and some say they are.I will go and talk to my hv about it but I thought the combined wisdom of mumsnet may be able to tell me more.

www sorry but he's right up to a point! blood types do affect the diseases you're likely to get so therefore dietary change could make a difference. For example if your blood group increases your risk of heart disease then eating a diet low in saturated fats would help.

You'll have to be nice to BIL now! He's probably read Peter D'Adamo- Eat right for your type- I have no idea how accurate this book is, but the ideas behind it are sound.

I've just realised I haven't a clue what blood type I am! I'm sure I must have it written down somewhere, just no idea where.

Off topic, but relevant to the autism side of the debate.....
Jimjams,I know that you are considering home schooling your ds, did you hear the program on homeschooling yesterday on radio 4. I missed big bits, but it did seem quite positive. And did you hear the programme a little while ago on the mozart effect? I looked up the researcher's website, and the results seem quite compelling, have you looked into this?

Very interesting to hear your experience and knowledge jimjams (my dd is only 15 months old but we have managed to avoid no fewer than FOUR call ups for mmr so far - I can only assume my health authority is a little obsessed - I am happy waiting just a little longer and thinking it through properly first).

I think this thread (and those previously) illustrates what a dreadful job the media have done on this debate - there are those on both sides below who know something but not a whole story (pro or con). Our HV lent us the NHS MMR video and it really didn't help at all - lots of vague news 'measles is a killer' comments with nothing to back it up. Can't believe the government think it was worth spending so much money without actually telling you anything (well, actually...).

Anyway, jimjams, interested to hear your response to the Finnish study of follow-ups to 3 million vaccinations that found not a single case of autism. My friend (a GP) and I were having a drunken conversation about it this weekend and I found it pretty staggering given the figures are roughly 1 in 100 (I think) here. How on earth do the Finns manage to have 3 million kids with no autism? (saunas? salmon? vodka? fresh air? donuts? the strange hoses they have in public toilets to wash your bits with?)

And (to refer back to an earlier bit) the connection with Gulf War Syndrome concerns me too. I've read that the French soldiers haven't suffered GWS and that they (unlike the US & UK) didn't include measles in the injection. Incredible really, when you think it also included anthrax etc that it could be the measles that were at fault, but also astonishing that we can afford to send thousands of men and equipment (well no boots or uniforms...!) to the gulf but we can't afford to investigate what we inject our soldiers with.

philippat-

Hi there- oh yes the Finnish studies by "jab em johnny" Peltola. To be honest they are so riddled with errors they cause great amesement at gatherings of statisticians (each to their own) - see this link here for detailed analysis.

The thing I find most frightening though is that even Peltola has questioned the sense of the UK meningitis C immunisation programme- especially for babies.

hmb- missed the homeschool thing. I keep missing interesting things on R4. Could have done with hearing it - I was getting "school pressure" today from portage. Went to visit the Steiner school we're considering for DS2- very interesting. Missed the mozart effect as well. DS1 is the only child I know who loves classical music (and has had perfect pitch since about 15 months). He used to shake when he heard the olympic theme tune a few years back - he'd stop what he was doing and go all rigid.

This is the website of the reasercher into the effect of Mozart on the performance of children with learning problems.
home.freeuk.net/annesavan/
It would seem that your ds's reaction is not unique, but the perfect pitch at that age is amazing.
I wish I knew how to do those clever link things on mumsnet.

Totally aside from the general trend of this thread, but, if you don't mind me asking Jimjams, what area of genetics did you cover in your these? Molecular? Quantitative? Just interested, nothing to do with this thread at all!

Totally aside from the general trend of this thread, but, if you don't mind me asking Jimjams, what area of genetics did you cover in your thesis? Molecular? Quantitative? Just interested, nothing to do with this thread at all!

Oh no! A double post....sorry!

JimJams - found the chickenpox vaccination stuff again - it's two jabs four to eight weeks apart. Plus the absolute minimum would be one month wait after the jab before trying to conceive (although I'm pretty sure I saw a longer time limit recommendation somewhere but I can't find it now). Don't know where I got the 6 months from - probably was feeling highly pessimistic about my GP's enthusiasm for the idea at the time ;o)

Having looked at it again, I think I'm going to investigate getting the vaccine privately if I get through to Tuesday without coming down with chickenpox! (am currently in "quarantine" lol) I think the 3-4 month wait is going to be worth it just to have one less thing to stress about.

I understood that babies are born with perfect pitch - they need it to distinguish between all the little sounds that make up language - and it is one of the many skills we lose along the way.

That is facinating, Aloha. How did they find that out? I have always thought that a childs ability to aquire language is the most amazing thin.

You can tell if babies notice something new because they pay more attention to it -ie suck harder on a dummy or follow a pattern with their eyes. They played streams of sound to babies, then fractionally varied the pitch/tone of some of it. Adults couldn't tell that the sound had changed, but babies could! I used to take my ds to the Babylab (part of Psych dept of University of London) as I am so fascinated by this sort of research. They have fantastic little minds. They can tell the differences between the most minute sounds - yet as they learn language many of these skills are lost. So Japanese babies can tell the difference between l and r sounds (I think), but adults can't because they don't need to in their language.

I used to take ds to a babylab in Lincoln Uni. It is facinating stuff. They were looking at how a child identifies a dog, or table, or emotions. I think this stuff is so interesting.

On the blood types thing -- first heard about this about 15 years ago, when a colleague (I was working in a health food shop), looked at me, proclaimed "You're blood type AB, right? That's why you like such and such food." Only I had never told her my blood type; she just figure it out from my physique.

All the stuff I read about it, what each type looks like and what regime is healthiest for them, tends to hold true... I know a few exceptions, though. One friend is blood type A and he is very big boned, solidly built, a terrific meat eater, very physical, not dainty at all the way As are supposed to be. DH & his mom are O-, and they're sort of delicate & skinny (look like a type A or maybe AB). I don't know what book I read recently (probably the one others mentioned), but it did seem to have some crazy ideas in it, though. Something about how surgery should be done different for each type? Anyway, the original women who talked to me about it said that your parents' types can have an effect. I'm not sure that in the end it's all the helpful to know what one's type is and what that means you should or shouldn't eat; I think we can figure out for ourselves what a healthy diet is and what we foods don't agree with us. As AB, I'm supposed to be sensitive to both the A and B-type culprit foods (ie, soya, cow's milk, wheat, maize). And yet, I'm not really sensitive to anything -- except strong cheese sometimes makes me break out in a sweat, and in pregnancy I seem to go lactose intolerant.

Yes, one study ds was involved in was how a baby groups objects - ie how does he know a dog is a/the big labrador up the road, b/the cartoon dog on Tv c/the little plastic dog in the farm set & d/a china dog ornament - and how does he differentiate them as a group from, say a china cat/plastic cat/real cat etc etc. And at what age does this 'sorting' happen. It makes you think about things that wouldn't otherwise cross your mind.

Zebra - I find this interesting because I'm AB as well and we are meant to be only 3% of the population (in the UK anyway). What is your physique, if you don't mind me asking?

The good thing about being AB (remember from O level biology) is that we are th universal recipients and can accept any/most bloods if need a transfusion.

Aloha, Yes, I was told that at first they 'see' a labrador/large spaniel type dog as a 'dog', and that this gradually extends out to 'different dogs like pekes and bulldogs. They will also identify something as being 'on tp' if it is in the middle of the object. And this gradually spreads out to the edges of the surface. As you said, it makes you examine things you take for granted.

Somebody who has read the recent book will probably correct me.. dredging my memory, what I recall is:

A: "dainty", thin boned, light weight. Do quite well on fruit & veg. Not well-suited to eating high fat or lots of meat. Not very "physical" people. More legs than torso. Peat-shaped women.

B: more solid than As, tall and lean, perhaps wiry, torso proportionately large compared to legs. Do best on lean proteins (ie, fish or very lean meat). Vulnerable to respiratory ailments. More upperbody strength than A, but less than O. Anecdotally, most of the Bs I know hate raw tomatos.

O: Solid built. Love their red-meat. Big bosoms. Truly need lots of exercise. Strong physique. Vulnerable to heart disease.

AB: top and bottom halves are in equal balance. More fine-boned than Bs, but not as light as As Do best on vegetarian diets like A, but have more energy/need to exercise than an A. Vulnerable to everything As & Bs are vulnerable to.

Ooops! Make that PEAR-shaped women for As.

Unfortunately, I feel I am more peat shaped than dainty most days.

I'm 'O' ? like most of the population, I expect. But where are my big bosoms, I'd like to know???

Wow, fascinating stuff, Zebra! I'm 'A' and that picture is pretty accurate for me, apart from not being pear shaped. I definitely do have more legs than torsos, as well.

DH is also 'A' but doesn't meet the description -he seems to fit into the 'O' group better.

DS1 is 'O' and again very accurately described (apart from the boobs bit!) and of course is too young for us to know about heart probs. My mum is 'O' and seems to fit, although she's 75 and not had any heart probs yet.

I don't know what DS2's group is but appears to fit 'B' - shall I demand he goes and gets a blood test, just so I can find out??

Does being Rh + or - make a difference? Tinker, DS1 is 'O' neg so he can donate to anyone (or could if America wasn't so strict about who donates) but can only receive from his own type, as I understand it.

Very, very accurate description of my AB body shape. Plus, I get respitory illnesses (allergies) and need to exercise! However, the only other AB I know is definitely a pear.