Love, Love Will Pear Us ATart, Again - 10 / 10 splinter thread

[FrannyandZooey]

Do what you like

It's anarchy

probably, Franny, for juice when we are hungover

UD - What photoshoot? I will have to lookin the morning now, I have got the fuzz.

Ooo, Krakow is lovely.

Please eat at Pod Aniolami (sp) (Under the Angel, I think) and another peasanty place at the foot of the castle.

I care UD. Tell all.

Do people think this or the other thread 8or maybe another place or, more pertinently, time altogether) would be most appropriate for some slightly more serious (emphasis on the slightly) musings?

how did you manage to get to six pages, like, just now

I think other thread, Bero, but wherever you like. Are you ok?

Pages?

see here for photoshooty goodness Bero!

yes.

Just reeling from delayed second part of epiphany re why the seemingly random bouts of miserableness lately.

oooooohh UD! I would be up for that too, despite Boris.

Oh, Bero

S'alright, I am fine. It's good to have solved the mystery (at least I think I have) really.

Bero - we can be serious here if you like.

bero what's up?

re reporting strawberries, blueberries, carrots, chickpeas, onion, tomatoes, double scoop ice cream, cake bowl lickings, banana

Thanks UR! Will write that down.

Good, I hope it helps.

UR your date sounds v v v v lovely ..
do you mean not the best date or not the best kisser?

have had huge cycle ride with bike unable to move out of high gear to go uphill so very puffed out

do you think that loneliness can actually make a person - at least initially - more uncommunicative and hermit-like? because reading Franny's post a bit further down about the sound of laughter drifting into the room just hit me very evocatively and I suddenly felt gut-wrenchingly LONELY - and realised that that is actually pretty much what I am Here, in the middle of bloody Berlin. My three dearest RL friends (2 of them English, funnily enough) are in the far north, the far west and the far south of Germany = far away. I do have a close friend here but - oh gawd, it's all Quite Complicated - the friendship is not actually good for me, she wants a lot more from me than I can give her, and increasingly I find myself avoiding her. On MN I'm a bit quiet and inept really, and envy admire others' intellect and Feeling for Saying the Right Thing and wit from the sidelines, but do just enjoy MNers' 'company' so much and have realised people like that are missing from my day-to-day life and I'm getting more quiet and inept - which probably means people like that wouldn't want to know me. Dearie me, this is navel-gazing in the extreme, n'est-ce pas?

Hi Bero, you ok?

I do think that.. is that bad? And I think most people go through it. But then, if you feel lonely it is more a product of your situation being away than you. For what it's worth, I don't think of you as quiet and inept, far from it (Do you remember your thread about popular mnetters -- that everyone swiftly joined it ..made me realise how many others feel similarly.

for eg I love staying at home, I don't work, and I love being at home during the day doing stuff on my own, and sometimes I love it when someone cancels on me. But it can ping back at me with feelings of loneliness and then (for me) I think the only cure is to go out and use my voice and talk to people (cue insane chatter to postman etc) and start making coffee dates just to stop me completely withdrawing.

In answer to your question, then yes. i think that loneliness can make a person more insular.

As to the rest - i think everyone envies everyone else their wit and whatnot.

No other practical advice. Sorry.

I meant not the best kisser. It was sort of... pokey.

Bero, I totally understand you. It's very hard to be in a foreign country, and even with good friends, it's not the same. I often feel quite lonely. Even when my friends are around. I don't have a really really good friend who has known me for ages and 'gets' me. I have lots of company but it isn't the same.

yes, that thread turned out quite lovely really - I had thought it was only me that was bothered

Oh I don't know about it not being a product of me... (feel rather subjectively rubbish about myself, I have zero talent for seeing myself as others might, so cannot judge how much of how I feel is true) I think part of this is the whole wider issue about not currently living the kind of life I would like, really, although in other respects it is exactly the kind of life I dreamed of. It's the worry about having ballsed things up... mainly focusing now around my academic research and being lonely.

What are your reasons for wanting/ not wanting him to go Avi?