Zoe nutrition code pls?

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Hey,
just wondered if anyone has a friends code they’d be happy to send me for Zoe nutrition?
thanks!

I’ve PMed you 👍

@PamelaDawes has good advice. I tried the Zoe programme and the glucose monitor failed to work for the 2 weeks. I spent HOURS sending screenshots etc and changing log in details and it was never sorted. Eventually I got a full refund.

Yes, follow some of the unofficial Zoe sites on FB. People are finding a lot of stuff quite contradictory. A lot of Zoe responses seem to be AI responses.

Read Tim Spectres books too. It’s all useful.

Ive gone down the route of getting my own glucose monitor, and I’m cutting carbs and following the 30 a week mantra. The weight is slowly shifting…

Hi if anyone has a code for my DIL I'd be grateful, the poor young woman is a uni student, has IBS and the gp/allergy/FODMAP route has not helped.

Here is my code for anyone looking to sign up: https://joinzoe.mention-me.com/m/ol/kn1qz-becky-tucker

Apologies for the hijack. I'm not in the UK and so can't join Zoe.

How would I use a glucose monitor ie use the data from it? Do I just see what makes my blood sugar spike and then avoid that? I'm asking because I assume that all food make make sugar go up. If a banana makes my sugar spike, does that mean I must stop eating bananas? Sorry for the uninformed questions and tia for any light shed.

The Zoe program does that but also has you try a number of different combinations (fasted) to see what flattens the spike for you

Quoting to emphasise this.

Fools do foolish things while greater fools look on and all that. Hopefully somebody herds your post!

“The diet advice is not personalised” - this is definitely not true as I’ve just finished 4 months. Maybe this poster didn’t read or understand everything the app provided? Including the 2 x 40 page pdfs you get containing analysis of your personal biological data?

The user did read the 40 page AI generated pdf.

My results were not estimated and suggested bad sugar control and good fat clearance. My diet advice was: lots of veg, nuts, whole grains, moderate fruit, low meat (but chicken breast and salmon okay), limited UPF and sugar. Extra virgin olive oil is excellent.

In other words, my personalised advice was the Mediterranean diet. Just like every one else. Sure Zoe may recommend sweet potatoes and blueberries 1 or 3x a week. The personalisation is in the middle where it probably matters very little.

And then I got a Libre 2 and found that my Zoe scores for “excellent blood sugar” didn’t predict my glucose responses. I was following their advice and eating meals that scored 98 and was getting blood spikes +4/5. Several days in a row. In multiple conditions. The personalisation was wrong (barely flakes were the culprit if you are wondering).

There is no evidence that Zoe will give you better outcomes than the Mediterranean diet and there never will be because Zoe is a Mediterranean diet brilliantly repackaged as cutting edge science. It is a scam, dressed up as science.

There are true believers. They forgive the clunky app, the terrible comms, and the contradictory advice because they are “contributing to science”. For some people it is framed in a way that gets them eating a Mediterranean diet and they lose weight.

This is the latest version of the diet industry dressed up as nutrition science. It’s expensive.

If I can go further I think that all the effort of Zoe: the revolting muffins, the poo sample, and bleeding on a card makes people feel invested. The 40 pages of AI text in the reports makes it seem challenging and credible. The money spent is an investment. The Zoe kit arrives in very fancy boxes like an iPhone. It feels modern. The podcast team are credible and personable.

All that effort and packaging may make people want to believe. Eating better is really about behaviour change. So if all that effort makes you do the behaviour change; then go for it. But it isn’t truly personalised. The science isn’t anywhere close to delivering personalised and we don’t need it to be.

Eat a Mediterranean diet in moderation, don’t snack, avoid UPF. There. I just saved you £400

If you think that all the app told you was eat more nuts veg and whole grains then you didn’t use it properly.

More importantly, all Zoe users do NOT receive the same diet advice you have summarised. I certainly didn’t, that’s the whole point of the personalised testing and scoring. Without the testing how on earth would you know which foods to increase and which to decrease?

I am very glad you found something that worked for you, but I bet we had similar foods to increase and reduce and they correlate with the Mediterranean diet.

I did it all in good faith. Then I wore a Libre 2 for a month and some foods Zoe told me increase because they are excellent for blood spiked my glusose. And foods Zoe to me to avoid because they are bad for blood sugar did not effect my readings.

I have a PhD in a science subject. I did these experiments with the Libre 2 across days, times, and conditions. The personalised recommendations were not predictive for me at the level they claim to be. Maybe I am an outlier? It is possible.

And then I just felt SO STUPID for falling for it. I have a PhD and was taken in by the boxes and the fussy conversations about almonds vs walnuts.

As I said I am glad it works for you, but your assertion I didn’t read it, understand it, or use it properly is incorrect.

I would never post all of this on the Facebook groups because it has benefited the true believers and they are all really nice. And if posting poo is the incentive they needed to give up granola, well, good for them.

I found the same as you. The CGM was the really useful bit, everything else as you have said was mediterrenean diet with added veganism.

@TriedTurningItOff - I can’t answer your question I’m afraid but it might be worth looking at The Glucose Goddess. She has a couple of books out and you can follow her on Instagram. There is also a thread on here with people following her advice.

I've just done the Zoe and the advice for me was personalised and completely different from my best mate

She can eat crisps, most meats, tons of fish - cakes, breads (and she's 61!)

I can eat only a limited amount of beef and Turkey, quite a few fish

I have very bad sugar (pre diabetes) - the muffins gave me a horrific sugar spike to 12 which then crashed to 3! I felt very unwell after eating them

And I have very poor fat clearing

According to the advice I need to eat loads of different nuts, masses of eggs and pretty much zero bread. I really notice the difference when food combining - if I eat a slice of bread but combine it with a load of guacamole and tomatoes and cheese my score is fine. If I eat bread on its own I get a sugar spike and then feel sleepy.

I've only been following the plan for 4 days since I got my results and I already feel really good - I slept 7 hours last night (usually sleep 5-6 as also menopausal)

Hiii, I’m interested in trying Zoë as I have gut issues but I might read Tim Spector book - which would you advise or would it be all books?

Thank you!

Thank you for this - have shared with a friend who was pondering the app!

@PamelaDawes - I’m so pleased I read your post. Was literally just about to sign up & waste lots of money. I have tried every diet paln known to man & it was just another one I was going to get hooked on. What advice would you recommend? / what plan do you follow please ?

Remember that everyone has a different perspective though. I am on month 3 and I love it. I am for the first time, eating a good diet of food and losing weight naturally. It’s the best thing so have ever done…worth every penny to me. It’s changed my whole way of eating! 😋

Has anyone got a spare code that they would be willing to give to me? I'd be most grateful. Please and thank you.

My results were not estimated and suggested bad sugar control and good fat clearance.

They must be personalised to some extent because mine suggested the opposite, good sugar, bad fat, so I am encouraged to eat a lot of fruit, which I would have avoided before.

So it has prompted some changes to my diet (more carbs, less fat, more fibre) and I am finally losing weight when approaches that were good pre menopause (basically low-ish carb) stopped working. I am also feeling better than I have in years.

I find the app really good and easy to use. I have just had a 'lesson' about exercise and it's effect on blood sugar and fat, so I don't know why you didn't. One of the things I've found most useful is how to use low scoring foods in a way that makes the meals high scoring, I did not know that you could mitigate blood sugar spikes in that way.

I agree it's expensive though.

Of course the advice is personalised, how can it possibly not be!?!

It is certainly personalised to your blood glucose clearance, blood fat clearance and the dna of your microbiome.

If anyone else coincidentally has the same gut ratios and same fat and glucose scores as you then naturally they would then receive the same advice.
On the other hand, science which applies to everyone’s biome regardless will result in generic advice (just as it should do) eg the fact that processed meats score very poorly for everyone (even here the actual score will vary a little).

@Jascrab I've sent you a link via PM. Enjoy 😊

Sure, no problem - there you go!
https://joinzoe.mention-me.com/m/ol/dv7qp-becky-tucker

If anyone would like a 10% code I'm happy to share mine.

My own experience with Zoe was a tricky one at first until I got the hang of combining foods in the way they suggested. Everyone finds something different but for me that was the trick I'd never learnt before despite all the books I'd read and diets I'd tried.