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This is the one where none of us fail! -Quitting fags thread.

439 replies

charliecatthenonsmoker · 15/10/2004 16:29

Waiting for some friends to join me!

OP posts:
charliecat · 05/11/2004 13:36

Youve had a sale Minkmama!!
I know those feelings in your lungs are so...ewww irritating, your trying your hardest to save them and they are going ache poor me poor me...like F*OFF Im trying to save you from all that tar now shut up and appreciate it!

charliecat · 05/11/2004 13:37

Did you notice that place is in my home town BTW?

prefernot · 05/11/2004 14:21

Yeah, lungs are masochists aren't they? Mine feel kind of 'empty', either that or they feel 'itchy'. I'm very aware of them. To be honest I don't know why I decided to go 'cold turkey' I think I figured that as I wasn't smoking huge amounts this time (10 tops) so it might not be too bad. Fool that I was! I guess I've started now so I'll finish ...

Did anyone else give up without patches etc.? Did you have headaches?

I'm a broken record aren't I? Sorry, I'm not usually such a bore.

prefernot · 05/11/2004 14:22

Yes, minkmama, dd's 2 and 2 weeks. She goes to bed between 7.30-8pm depending on how organised I am. But tonight she's having an excitingly late night as we're taking her to the fireworks!! I'll have to try to breath in some fumes as they explode to try to appease my groaning lungs .

charliecat · 05/11/2004 14:34

Prefernot my mums been rundown for nearly 2 weeks now, do you think the headache is something other than giving up the fags? Is it pent up tension?

prefernot · 05/11/2004 14:37

I am wondering cc if it's something else ... That's why I keep asking you guys.

charliecat · 05/11/2004 14:38

well I know you feel like shit and your lungs ache and its like having flu with a bit of mental torture....dunno, and your poppping pills and its still not gone away?
Can you watch a soppy movie tpnight and have a big cry...might let some tension out?!

charliecat · 05/11/2004 14:39

Gotta go get dd1 from school bye for now x

charliecat · 05/11/2004 16:03

For the benefits of newbies wondering if they will ever stop wanting a cigarette, I thought I would elaborate on the concept of "urges" that happen weeks, months or even years into a quit. When we say that the urge hits after any significant time period after being smoke free, it is a desire or a thought for a cigarette that is different than the physical "urge" experienced during initial withdrawal. Those urges are physiological craves, the body demanding nicotine to alleviate a drug withdrawal state.
The thoughts that happed down the road are triggers of fond memories. The thought is often that it seems like a good idea now to smoke a cigarette. Kind of like the urge you get to clean your house on a slow day. Seems like a good idea for a few seconds, but if you find something better to do, so be it. The same concept holds true for the thought of a cigarette.

Other times there will be thoughts of "I used to smoke when I did this." Not a desire for a cigarette or smoking, but a feeling that your timing or ritual is off. Sometimes there may even be a feeling that you are supposed to be doing "something" right now, but do not even realize what it is. All of a sudden you realize you used to smoke at this particular juncture of time or a specific new situation. Again, it is not that you want or need a cigarette in these two cases, just that the routine was a little off.

Years into a quit though, most days ex-smokers will go days, weeks and maybe even months without a thought. Even days which they call "bad" with desires, they may be going 23 hours and 59 minutes and 50 seconds without a thought, but because they think of it once, they think that was a lot. It really does get easier and easier.

The alternative side, smoking, is constantly riddled with thought of quitting. Whenever you are going to a doctor, a non-smoking friends or family home where you want to visit but cannot smoke, getting a new symptoms or aggravated by a chronic problem, read a news headline or hear a news report on television or radio on a new danger from smoking, have to pay another price increase for cigarettes, find another friend who has quit while you do not, stand outside in blizzards or heat waves or torrential downpour for the luxury of getting a quick fix or experience some horrible withdrawal because you can't escape for a cigarette or heaven forbid, you run out of cigarettes.

Yes there were plenty of times smoking made your life totally unmanageable. Not to mention the times that may come where a diagnosis of a horrible condition that require extraordinary measures to save your life that in themselves are almost as terrifying and painful as the disease itself. That unpleasant scenario still provides a chance of survival. There are frequently the cases where the first real symptom of a smoking induced illness is sudden death. Then you don't even have a chance to save your life.

As an ex-smoker, there may be times you want a cigarette. As a smoker, there will be times you want to quit. Neither side is perfect, but the ex-smoker side has clear advantages. It will get easier and easier over time getting to the point of smoking becoming a thing of the past. The smoking side leads to a much more ominous road.

Keep focused, whether it is hours into a quit or decades into a quit. It was a good decision to quit, maybe the most important decision you have made in your life as far as quality and length of your life goes. To keep the decision alive and continue to reap the benefit, always remember, Never Take Another Puff!

This needs to be read again!

charliecat · 05/11/2004 16:09

Prefernot I have put that last post there for you specially as you mentioned it earlier..

prefernot · 05/11/2004 16:46

Thanks cc. That was actually just what I need as I'm in the middle of a 'bad' moment. I actually agree with all of it. The biggest reason I decided to quit was because of my health, I'd wake up every morning and one of the first things I'd think about was that I was STILL smoking. That thought would be followed by imaginery scenarios in which I died horrible smoking-induced deaths ...

This time has a 'now or never' feeling for me. I'd be so angry with myself if I fail. I don't mind if I stumble a bit but I don't want to find myself next month back to smoking as though this few days never happened. And I do think the days are getting easier in terms of cravings, it's just that I feel physically dire still. I've got a pain in my back and neck now too ... sigh ...

charliecat · 05/11/2004 17:02

God tears pricked to my eyes at the waking up knowing your still smoking thought. That is just GRIM and you know if you have that first fag your not gonna quit that day and you hope tommorow...OMG I am glad to be away from that.
Having a popcorn party tonight, popcorn, movies and cakes etc for my kids and my friends kids who are not going to each others birthday dos as we live too far away to make it possible...should be fun, but typically theres been a train crash and shes been diverted elsewhere........

charliecat · 05/11/2004 17:07

?Things were just so bad at

work that I took a cigarette!?

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This sentiment was expressed to me by a clinic participant who had successfully broken free from their nicotine addiction . I then asked her if she had had a loaded gun in her possession at the time things were so bad, would she have put it to her head and pulled the trigger. Without a moment of hesitation, she responded, "Of course not!", as if I had just asked a ridiculous question. "Then if the problems were not worth shooting yourself for, they were not worth smoking for either", I replied.

While on the surface the analogy may seem a bit exaggerated, looking at the particular case history reveals that the risk this woman was facing by returning to smoking could easily cost her her life.

Five months prior to this "catastrophic time at work" she suffered a severe heart attack. Fortunately, she survived and six weeks after returning home from the hospital she enrolled in our clinic to quit smoking. She had been smoking four packs per day and had been a smoker for over 33 years. To her surprise, she quit with what seemed to be minimal difficulty. She successfully remained off cigarettes for three months. In that time, though, she gained close to 30 pounds. While 30 pounds is a lot of weight to gain, she understood fully why her weight had increased. She ate more. A lot more.

But she was so concerned about not returning to smoking that she figured if eating would prevent smoking, then 30 pounds was worth it. Technically, she was correct. The strain produced on her heart from 30 pounds of extra weight was nothing compared to the risk of smoking 80 cigarettes per day. She was preparing to find a weight control program to address the weight gain problem.

But now this problem at work caused her to take a cigarette. She thought it would only be "one" to help over the initial crisis. She failed to understand the basic rule of addiction. There is no such thing as one. Not one pack, one cigarette, one butt, or one puff. All of these will lead to the same end result. ONE ADDICTION. A powerful addiction. An addiction which could make an ex-smoker of 30 years return to her full past level of consumption within 24 hours. Because she didn't understand this most important rule, she broke it. And now she was smoking again and couldn't seem to quit.

Now the analogy between taking a cigarette and pulling the trigger becomes quite realistic. While her 30 pounds were insignificant compared to smoking, now she was going to return to her old level of cigarette consumption and be 30 pounds heavier. All this within 6 months after a heart attack. Adding all this up, she became a walking time bomb.

While you may not have all of her risk factors, returning to smoking still may be the decisive factor in a heart attack, cancer or any number of tragic illnesses smoking causes. You are now free from your addiction. Don't let a major crisis, a trivial stress, a party, a drink or any other situation let you make the same mistake. Stay free from cigarettes?NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Read the first bit of this and thought it was good...copied and pasted the whole thing.

charliecat · 05/11/2004 17:12

I Can't Quit or I Won't Quit

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"I don't want to be called on during this clinic. I am quitting smoking, but I don't want to talk about it. Please don't call on me." This request was made by a lady enrolling in one of my clinics over 20 years ago. I said sure. I won't make you talk, but if you feel you would like to interject at anytime, please don't hesitate to. At that she got mad and said, "Maybe I am not making myself clear-I don't want to talk! If you make me talk I will get up and walk out of this room. If you look at me with an inquisitive look on your face, I am leaving! Am I making myself clear?" I was a little shocked by the strength of her statement but I told her I would honor her request. I hoped that during the program she would change her mind and would share her experiences with the group and me but in all honesty, I wasn't counting on it.

There were about 20 other participants in the program. Overall, it was a good group with the exception of two women who sat in back of the room and gabbed constantly. Other participants would turn around and tell the two to be quiet. They would stop talking for a few seconds and then start right up again with just as much enthusiasm as before. Sometimes, when other people were sharing sad, personal experiences, they would be laughing at some humorous story they had shared with each other, totally ignorant of the surrounding happenings.

On the third day of the clinic, a major breakthrough occurred. The two gossips were partying away as usual. There was one young woman, probably early twenties who asked if she could talk first because she had to leave. The two gossips in back still were not listening and kept up with their private conversation. The young woman who had to leave said, "I can't stay, I had a horrible tragedy in my family today, my brother was killed in an accident." Fighting back emotions she continued. "I wasn't even supposed to come tonight, I am supposed to be helping my family making funeral arrangements. But I knew I had to stop by if I was going to continue to not smoke." She had only been off two days now. But not smoking was important to her.

The group members felt terrible, but were so proud of her, it made what happened in their day seem so trivial. All except the two ladies in the back of the room. They actually heard none of what was happening. When the young woman was telling how close she and her brother were, the two gossips actually broke out laughing. They weren't laughing at the story, they were laughing at something totally different not even aware of what was being discussed in the room. Anyway, the young woman who lost her brother shortly after that excused herself to go back to her family. She said she would keep in touch and thanked the group for all of their support.

A few minutes later I was then relating some story to the group, when all of a sudden the lady who requested anonymity arose and spoke. "Excuse me Joel," she said loudly, interrupting me in the middle of the story. "I wasn't going to say anything this whole program. The first day I told Joel not to call on me. I told him I would walk out if I had to talk. I told him I would leave if he tried to make me talk. I didn't want to burden anyone else with my problems. But today I feel I cannot keep quiet any longer. I must tell my story." The room was quiet.

"I have terminal lung cancer. I am going to die within two months. I am here to quit smoking. I want to make it clear that I am not kidding myself into thinking that if I quit I will save my life. It is too late for me. I am going to die and there is not a damn thing I can do about it. But I am going to quit smoking."

"You may wonder why I am quitting if I am going to die anyway. Well, I have my reasons. When my children were small, they always pestered me about my smoking. I told them over and over to leave me alone, that I wanted to stop but couldn't. I said it so often they stopped begging. But now my children are in their twenties and thirties, and two of them smoke. When I found out about my cancer, I begged them to stop. They replied to me, with pained expressions on their faces, that they want to stop but they can't. I know where they learned that, and I am mad at myself for it. So I am stopping to show them I was wrong. It wasn't that I couldn't stop smoking- it was that I wouldn't! I am off two days now, and I know I will not have another cigarette. I don't know if this will make anybody stop, but I had to prove to my children and to myself that I could quit smoking. And if I could quit, they could quit, anybody could quit."

"I enrolled in the clinic to pick up any tips that would make quitting a little easier and because I was real curious about how people who really were taught the dangers of smoking would react. If I knew then what I know now- well, anyway, I have sat and listened to all of you closely. I feel for each and every one of you and I pray you all make it." Even though I haven't said a word to anyone, I feel close to all of you. Your sharing has helped me. As I said, I wasn't going to talk. But today I have to. Let me tell you why."

Then she turned to the two ladies in the back of the room, who actually had stayed quiet during this interlude. Suddenly she flared up, "The only reason I am speaking up now is because you two BITCHES are driving me crazy. You are partying in the back while everyone else is sharing with each other, trying to help save each other's lives. She then related what the young woman had said about her brother's death and how they were laughing at the time, totally unaware of the story. "Will you both do me a favor, just get the hell out of here! Go out and smoke, drop dead for all we care, you are learning and contributing nothing here." They sat there stunned. I had to calm the group down a little, actually quite bit, the atmosphere was quite charged with all that had happened. I kept the two ladies there, and needless to say, that was the last of the gabbing from the back of the room for the entire two-week clinic.

All the people who were there that night were successful at the end of the program. At graduation, the two ladies who had earlier talked only to each other were applauded by all, even the lady with lung cancer. All was forgiven. The girl who lost her brother also came for the graduation, also smoke free and proud. And the lady with lung cancer proudly accepted her diploma and introduced one of her children. He had stopped smoking for over a week at that time. Actually, when the lady with cancer was sharing her story with us, she had not told her family yet that she had even quit smoking.

It was a few days later, when she was off a week that she told her son. He, totally amazed said to her that if she could quit smoking, he knew he could and stopped at that moment. She beamed with joy. Six weeks later she succumbed to the cancer. I found out when I called her home just to see how she was doing and got her son on the line. He thanked me for helping her quit at the end. He told me how proud she was that she had quit and how proud he was of her, and how happy she was that he had quit also. He said, "She never went back to smoking, and I will not either." In the end, they had both given each other a wonderful gift. He was proud her last breath was smoke free- she NEVER TOOK ANOTHER PUFF!

Epilog: I normally say you can't quit for someone else, it has to be for yourself. This incident flies in the face of this comment to some degree. The lady with lung cancer was quitting smoking to save her children from her fate, to some degree undo the lesson that she had taught years earlier. The lesson that she "could not stop." It was that at the time she "would not stop." There is a big difference between these two statements. It holds true for all smokers. The lady in this story proved years later she could quit too late to save her life, but not too late to save her sons. Next time you hear yourself or someone else say, I cannot stop, understand it is not true. You can quit. Anyone can quit. The trick is not waiting until it is too late.

charliecat · 05/11/2004 17:32

The last one has had me crying since I read it

minkmama · 05/11/2004 20:32

CC, check your feedback xx I can't believe you're on bottle 3!! you addict!!

nearlyfour · 05/11/2004 21:09

Hi guys. I have just logged back in since I posted last night. Thanks for the welcome messages! My last cigarette was 9.15am this morning! I've been fine on the whole, but the evening has been worse than today. Probably cos I have had a glass of wine! Feel good though. Some of the stuff you are posting on here is really helpful, if scary, but it has to be I suppose. Good tips too.

charliecat · 05/11/2004 21:21

Congratulations Nearlyfour!!!!!!! Have you located one of those timers? They are fantastic for keeping the motivation up...so much so none of us have had a fag since putting them on our computers!!!!
Busy watching Shrek 2 at the mo but couldnt leave after reading youve got through your first day without saying Well Done!

nearlyfour · 05/11/2004 21:23

aah, thanks Charliecat. No I haven't got one of the counters. I will look back through the thread and see what I have to do. Enjoy Shrek2!

prefernot · 05/11/2004 22:07

Well done nearlyfour! Don't let my grumbling get in your way, I've done it patch-free out of some kind of weird stupidity rather than design. This is my 3rd official day and much of it has been easier than the other days but this evening's been a bit tough. So what's your story? Were you a heavy smoker? What's led you to fight the good fight?

Oh, cc. That story about the woman with the lung cancer was so awful to read. It's my nightmare that I will smoke myself to death and regret it but it be too late to change things. It's awful bu I'm glad you posted it because it reminds me why I'm going through this horrible time. Went to see fireworks for the first time with dd tonight and I was so desperate for a smoke ...

minkmama · 05/11/2004 22:24

Congrats nearlyfour on your first day! def go and find that link of cc's for the counter - it's v. useful indeed!

well done to you too prefernot, the important thing is not the craving but the overcoming it. You did so well

ikea furniture building tonight. will probably take dh 3 hrs

charliecat · 05/11/2004 23:13

1001 unsmoked fags

minkmama · 05/11/2004 23:43

Congrats!!!! Big cyber hugs xxx

charliecat · 05/11/2004 23:45

Cheers! did the thing make you cry or is it just me in my after pmt state?

charliecat · 05/11/2004 23:46

Heres the QUITOMETERS BTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!