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999: expectations and reality

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mrkrasotulkin · 14/05/2019 23:41

… I think the expectations in question are reasonable and commonly held, and yet dead wrong. Read on, because this may one day be useful.

In January of this year, while staying in a large English city, I called 999 as I thought that my 12-month-old daughter swallowed a pill of codeine, a strong painkiller used by my wife. (Talk about terrible timing - my wife just took a flight to be with her dying mum, and left me holding the childcare fort). Fast forward to the happy end: she never did. Furthermore, had she swallowed the codeine pill, this would not have been be a life-threatening emergency: according to the A&E doctor, they would put the child under observation.

I did not know that at the time, and acted on the belief that my child’s life was in danger. I did not have a car, and chose to call 999 - instead of ordering an Uber and taking a 10-minute drive to the nearest A&E - based on another assumption: that a case with a baby in danger would be highly prioritized by 999, and that an ambulance (with resuscitation equipment and medics on board) would arrive quickly. It helped that I was in the city’s centre.

The ambulance arrived at my door 58 minutes later. By that time, I was already at A&E. I ordered an Uber after 30-plus minutes of waiting, and 3 follow-up calls to 999, with me occasionally screaming at 999 operators.

Let’s approach those expectations. You might think that when somebody calls 999 and tells the operator that a 12-month-old child just swallowed a 30 mg pill of codeine phosphate, a medical professional would be contacted and determine how serious the problem is. In this case, the answer would be “not very”; I would be reassured and advised to go (but not rush) to A&E for observation.

It does not work like that. 999 operators are not medical professionals, but more regular people, relying on approved case-disposition pathways/algorithms, where you are asked a yes-or-no question 1, then depending on your answer you get asked question 2 or question 3, etc. It makes sense statistically - unfortunately, it did not make sense in my situation, where the ingestion of a poisonous substance had taken place less than a minute ago, and no symptoms would yet be apparent. No matter - the operator insisted that we stick to the script. This is where the screaming started.

Before or during the screaming, there was a request to escalate, and it is either that request, or one of the follow-up calls, or simply the clock marking X minutes after the first 999 call, that triggered another event. Remember my hopes about a doctor? It turns out that a doctor’s advice was sought, but a clinician was not available. A “safety net” scenario was activated, and an ambulance was sent out.

… with second-highest priority, assigned by default in “safety net” cases. And then a top-priority case (like a heart attack) happened in the city, and the ambulance was diverted. The ambulance that arrived 58 minutes after my call was its (eventual) replacement.

What is the lesson here? I think it’s: lower your expectations about 999. Understand 999’s triage process and be prepared to play along - or don’t waste your time in a case like mine, with no symptoms at the time of the 999 call. Do not expect a doctor to be available. Do not expect preferential treatment for a child. (At least I have no evidence to the contrary based on my subsequent, face-to-face conversation with the representatives of the ambulance service). Overall, strongly consider getting to A&E using your own transport. 999 will only approve, as this will free up an ambulance for someone without that option.

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Littlechocola · 15/05/2019 07:30

Thank you for teaching us a lesson.

BertieBotts · 15/05/2019 07:32

WTF is the point of posting if you're not willing to engage?

I can only guess from "English City" that you're not from the UK - in which case, in future, it would be a good idea to familiarise yourself with the emergency medical system in a country before you visit there with a small child.

In most countries you'd call a poisons hotline, rather than an emergency ambulance for a case of a child swallowing a painkiller. In the UK this would be 111 - thankfully most posters here seem to know that already, so your "information" is not especially helpful.

58 minutes is unexpectedly fast for a non emergency. You should have called them back to cancel the ambulance, though, when you decided to go to A&E yourself. That would have been the correct procedure (again, in most countries). An ambulance was sent out to you at cost to the ambulance service for which you hadn't bothered to remain where you said you were - that could have been an elderly person left on the floor for an extra hour while they attended your call, ascertained you weren't there and then rerouted.

specterlitt · 15/05/2019 07:33

@Littlechocola I concur. I feel such wisdom has been departed here. It's like learning a health and safety lesson from Yoda himself.

WildFlower2019 · 15/05/2019 07:34

As an aside, I recommend you watch Ambulance (BBC1) and 999: What's Your Emergency (C4).

Both amazing shows. Ambulance is on tomorrow at 9pm.

Gives you a whole new level of respect for emergency services personnel.

PixieDust26 · 15/05/2019 07:34

Screaming at a 999 operator shows what sort of person you are.
Other people needed that ambulance before you, get over it and get over yourself 🤨.
Of course they would've prioritised your child if needed but you're just being a little precious princess.

Stylemebabyonemoretime · 15/05/2019 07:34

I suggest you watch the bbc documentary called ‘ambulance’, it’s currently available on iplayer.

reachedbreakingpoint · 15/05/2019 07:38

Lots of other countries would have charged you for that ambulance

lovelyupnorth · 15/05/2019 07:40

Op you are the problem. Really should have called 111 and maybe googled codeine before dialling 999.

You where rightly prioritised and dealt with. Maybe don’t waste the ambulance services time and use the NHS responsibly which would mean more ambulances available for real emergencies.

SouthWestmom · 15/05/2019 07:43

I love that this entitled fool has embarrassed himself and now thinks to share the experience as if we all would have acted exactly the same.

Notjudesmum · 15/05/2019 07:52

I suffer with a condition that causes me chronic pain. I can usually (say 8/10 times) manage the pain at home when it flares up. Sometimes I can’t and I have to call 999. I have always found the call handlers professional, reassuring and sympathetic. Fortunately I live relatively close to one of the best hospitals in Europe and I’ve never waited longer than 15 mins for an ambulance. Sometimes they’ve sent a first response paramedic out first and they’ve given me morphine etc whilst waiting for the ambulance.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, there’s always going to be someone that wasn’t dealt with properly, someone who dies whilst waiting for the ambulance, someone who calls 999 when they could get themselves to the GP/hospital with no problems. But, in my experience, the care I hand received from the call handlers, to the paramedics, to the nurses, Drs, consultants....etc has been amazing and I for one, am grateful for the job they all do.

Stormwhale · 15/05/2019 07:55

I think that the ambulance programme pp are referring to us incredibly useful. It really opened my eyes to the awful decisions that have to be made by the call handlers in charge of prioritising calls. There just aren't the resources available and that must sit heavy on them after a shift.

Grumpbum123 · 15/05/2019 08:07

W⚓️

Lexilooo · 15/05/2019 08:08

Wow taking mansplaining to a new level!!!

"I'm an idiot who put my child at risk due to my iwn negligence, doesn't understand how 999 works, was abusive to overworked emergency services and wasted their time. LEARN FROM ME WOMEN"

Fuck off @mrkrasotulkin put your own house in order before lecturing us.

Quartz2208 · 15/05/2019 08:18

I think its you that doesnt understand the process. I would have gotten in the car and headed straight for A&E or called 111

TheFairyCaravan · 15/05/2019 08:36

@mrkrasotulkin most of us already know how to use the emergency services so don't need some man, who thinks it's appropriate to use ambulances as taxis and it's ok to scream at call handlers, to give us a lesson.

Like others have said watch Ambulance on BBC1 then you will manage your expectations and learn a lesson or two.

AgentProvocateur · 15/05/2019 08:43

I don’t think we need to learn from your experience - not many of us would be so stupid and entitled to call for an ambulance in those circumstances.

churchthecat · 15/05/2019 08:43

Oh good, some mansplaining about how A&E works.

hatemyhairhun · 15/05/2019 08:44

Lol @ you posting this and thinking you’re doing the public a service. Most of us aren’t under the same dumb, unreasonable assumptions that you were, so your advice is useless! Thank god you had a revelation though, the only expectations that needed to be managed were yours.

Maybe monitor your kids properly and don’t leave medicine in their reach? You should be doing all you can to avoid a ‘next time’, as next time she may get her hands on something much more dangerous, so you need to be more cautious as a parent.

An ambulance isn’t a free substitute for a car or taxi either. If you can make your own way, you should.

bababalooba · 15/05/2019 08:47

I called an ambulance recently when my 3 month old went blue and stopped breathing. It was the most terrifying moment of my life. The ambulance arrived in 90 seconds. Never known anything like it! Incredible.

How did a 12 month old get hold of codeine? That childcare fort you were holding can't have been a very good one... madness!

TinyTear · 15/05/2019 08:47

Mansplaining at its best
the arrogance!

TW2013 · 15/05/2019 08:47

Had to wait longer than that for an ambulance while outside in the winter at night with a fractured spine. Probably because some idiot had been calling them when they could have caught a taxi.

Moondancer73 · 15/05/2019 08:51

Learn from it or don't?!
Wow, you really are majorly entitled aren't you? Do you have any realistic idea of how underfunded and how lacking in resources the nhs actually is? Did it cross your mind once to cancel the ambulance once you were in the Uber or to not scream at people trying to help you? Shame on you for treating those people that way Angry

PineappleTart · 15/05/2019 09:09

I've had to contact 999 on a number of occasions for other people. I've always found the operators to be calm and concise. They are able to advise and reassure the caller which is amazing as it's usually an incredibly stressful time. I am, in all honesty, shocked that you called 999 under the circumstances you describe and worse that you screamed at the operator. In the time it took you would have been at the hospital.

hellenbackagen · 15/05/2019 09:30

Learn from it or don't ?

Like your singular example of being an utter arse is going to educate the masses ? In what exactly?

iklboo · 15/05/2019 17:13

It's a full moon on Friday.