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Worried about vaccinations - anyone else feel the same?

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ladymac · 16/07/2007 10:13

DD is 15 weeks today. When we went for 1st jabs a few weeks ago, GP wouldn't give them because she had a cold. Since then I haven't gone back as she'd either been snuffly or we were away (jabs only done on mon afternoons).

We are going to Spain for a week on saturday and today is a jabs opportunity. Trouble is I've got really nervous about her having them. Worried about possible reactions and also if it could make her poorly for our hols.

At the same time I don't want her to get any nasty diseases.

I feel my views are somewhere in the middle of my HV and her evangelical jabs spiel, and the anti jabs brigade on the other side.

Any help/views/reassurance would be great.

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ladylush · 16/07/2007 13:07

I just used calpol

eleusis · 16/07/2007 13:08

I'm not really into homeopathy. So, no , I haven't done that. Although, I do have a lot of faith in arnica for post caesarean recovery. But, I think it is specifically for bruising so doubt it would help a young baby whose had a few diseases injected.

I would give clapol and nothing more.

Original poster
ladymac · 16/07/2007 13:14

It's also recommended for shock and I thought the jabs might be something of a shock to a 15 weeker! But i did buy calpol when I thought she was going to have the jabs before.

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ladylush · 16/07/2007 13:15

Your idea to bf is a good one. I did this with ds and he forgot all about the pain once he latched on.

Original poster
ladymac · 16/07/2007 13:16

I think she will need a feed and I will need a large drink.

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fearscape · 16/07/2007 13:21

Re the breast-feeding straight afterwards - I would really recommend this. Ds quietened down very quickly after his jabs, for the first lot I thought he was fine and just took him straight home. He started screaming in his car seat on the way out of the doctors and carried on until we got home and I could feed him! The next two lots I fed him straight away and he was fine on the way home. He did get a bit of a temperature with the first lot but nothing some calpol didn't fix and was his normal self the next day. I've held him for all of them, not pleasant but he doesn't seem to hate me! So probably nicer for you to get someone else to hold her but wouldn't think it matters much for the baby.

fearscape · 16/07/2007 13:21

sorry x-post with ladylush.

becksmummy · 16/07/2007 13:54

HI, just seen this thread and note that you mention the MMR, my dd is due to have this this week and am still undecided as to whether to let her have it or not! not helped the fact it is back in the news again this morning!!

She has had all her other jabs its just the MMR that i'm worried about because of all the bad press about it, would appreciate any more comments on this specific jab!!

Thanks

CatIsSleepy · 16/07/2007 14:21

this and

this might help you.

I can't tell anyone else what to do, can only say I have no problem with MMR vaccine at all. The link with autism has been discredited as far as I am concerned.

TooTicky · 16/07/2007 14:25

I have spoken to people whose children have become autistic following the MMR vaccine. Pro-vaccine people who were not fully aware of the risks.

ladylush · 16/07/2007 14:38

There is much still not known about causes of autism, but it seems to be more common in boys. I have a ds and for this reason I was more concerned about combined vax.

witchandchips · 16/07/2007 14:44

I really don't want to get involved into a big arguement here BUT it is something i feel very strongly about.
a) no link between autism and the MMR has ever been proved, the orginal article by Wakefield and others only said that they had found some interesting patterns and that the issue deserved further investigation. Such futher investigation revealed nothing. and the original article has since been discredited

b) although the diseases (Mumps, measles and rubella) themselves are not damaging there is a known and relatively high risk of serious complications developing.

c) just because autism is often diagnosed after the MMR vaccine does not mean that it caused it. It just so happens that the vaccine is given round about the time that the symptons of autism become apparent

d)It is in the news recently because andew wakefield is being tried for serious misconduct over this article NOT because any new evidence has been found

eleusis · 16/07/2007 14:54

It is not my job as a parent to prove there is a link before I refuse a vaccine. It is the NHS' job to prove it is safe before I allow the jab. They can't prove it is safe. Many things are unknown. We do know that it is probably safe for most children. But, frankly, I'm not happy with "probably". Single for us, and it's none of anyone else's business. Not Johnny-down-the-street, not the NHS, not Joe Blogs. They are my children and I will discuss and decide with their father what is best.

Actually, I think DH would be happy to let them have the MMR, but I am not and he is kind enough to just let me me have my way since it is obviously important to me.

CatIsSleepy · 16/07/2007 14:54

good post witchandchips

I think it is also unfortunate that whenever the issue is raised in the media for whatever reason new seeds of doubt are sown in parents' minds.

ladylush · 16/07/2007 14:55

And I feel very strongly about it too. Just because that research was discredited doesn't mean that there is no link at all. Just not a proven one. As a parent it is important to familiarise yourself with evidence based research but also important to be guided by your instincts.

eleusis · 16/07/2007 14:57

I have yet to be presented with a valid reason not to get singles. I've had this debate many times and no one has convinced why combining the MMR is better for my child than giving him singles (I am not now and never have considered not giving any of the three jabs).

The amount delay involved doesn't really present enough additional risk to be worth considering.

Spockster · 16/07/2007 15:02

There are plenty of data to show MMR is safe, and none which shows it isn't.
There are no data to show singles are safe OR effective when given in this way.
Delaying the singles provides a window of opportunity for infection
AND the poor buggers get several injections instead of only 2, totally innecessarily.

Mercy · 16/07/2007 15:04

My ds had his first MMR this morning - he is 3.5 years old.

ladylush · 16/07/2007 15:09

In your opinion spockster. I really can't abide that kind of attitude - giving poor bugger more than one jab. I don't criticise your choice, mind your own business.

witchandchips · 16/07/2007 15:23

think of the following thought experiment. you are at a cross roads. If you go one way you know that there is small chance of meeting a person eating tiger. You do not know anything about what will happen if you go the other way but nothing around you suggests that it is at all dangerous. which road do you take?

gess · 16/07/2007 15:25

I haven't vaccinated ds2 or ds3 at all. I'm not prepared to discuss it on here anymore but if you want to CAT me do ladymac (or search on my name or Jimjams).

ladylush · 16/07/2007 15:29

I don't know but that is not the dilemma I face!

witchandchips · 16/07/2007 15:30

but it is ladylush. we know that there are risks from the diseaases but there is nothing around us that suggests the vaccines are risky

ladylush · 16/07/2007 15:33

Like I said, I don't believe the combined vax are safe for all children and as vaccine damage is horrific I choose not to take that risk. Where is the evidence that single vax don't work?

gess · 16/07/2007 15:35

the only studies (ages ago pre MMR fiasco) show that single jabs are slightly more effective than the combined.

Age of administration has a possibly bigger effect.

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