If you decided to delay or to forgo MMR, how did health professionals react?

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Just wondering about this (and haven’t yet decided) - do they respond in a way that respects your view or do they try to persuade you to have the vaccinations given to your child?

"When you look at the adverse drug reaction list for MMRVaxPro it does kind of make you worry! "

Have you looked at tha adverse drug reaction list for Calpol?

Yes I have and that's why I refuse to give calpol to my child. If necessary I give a paracetamol suppository.

I am going to give my son the mmr jab, but the fact that there are contact details for something called the 'vaccine damage payment scheme' on the back of the leaflet worries me. It says that several conditions need to be met before payment can be made - does make me wonder if that includes keeping quiet if it's proved that a vaccine has caused damage.

We delayed mmr a bit as it was at the height of the controversy before the Autism link research was discredited and DH has a close family member with Autism whos Mum feels it was down to the mmr vaccine rightly or wrongly
The only issue we had was when dd broke her leg and when we went to A&E the nurse asked me why we hadn’t done it yet. She was quite abrupt and I replied that I wasn’t aware it prevented broken limbs!!!

NBROOTS
The side effects of the suppository are the same as capol
• Redness or soreness in or around the back passage are common.
• Allergic reactions.
• Skin problems such as a rash or itching.
• Blood problems. If these happen, your child may bruise or bleed more easily, get infections more easily, or
get a high temperature (fever) and ulcers in the mouth and throat.
• Liver problems.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have been reported.

There is a measles outbreak in Surrey (possibly elsewhere). Just saying.

Bruffin. My son is 14 mths & never been to the Doctors. He has only ever needed one dose of paracetamol because he was so distressed. I use homeopathy mainly with much success. At least they don't contain an array of E numbers.

nbroots, you've got herd immunity to be grateful for in that case.

Nbroots

Would you mind sharing which remedies you have been using?

Josephine - if it's homeopathic, it'll be water essentially 🙄. But they could throw in some turmeric and colloidal silver for maximum effect.

There are times when the over-reliance on homoeopathy - and excluding the possibility of allopathic/conventional treatment can be very misguided. This link shows an extreme example of that over-reliance.

www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/28/homeopathy-baby-death-couple-jailed

If you are having to access historial medical records about your relative with supposed vaccine reaction, there is little reason to suppose that your baby will have enough genetic/heridatary similarity for it to matter.

On top of that, many vaccine reactions are not actually vaccine reactions - they are separate events that occur at approximately the same time and we ascribe correlation or even causation when none exists.

As others has mentioned, of the reported vaccine reactions, very few exhibit any proof of causation, and the few that do, and are serious, are often triggered, not caused by vaccination. Someone upthread mentioned triggering via fever which would have happened during the snotty toddler years anyway.

So unless your very close relative has an inconrovertibly proven vaccine reaction causing damage, you have no reason to opt out.

Anything other reason comes down to mental health - anxiety over personal experience (still struggling to understand how it can be so close to you but you are researching records?) -or anxiety from reading dodgy websites and being susceptible to popular I-know-better-than-the-immunologist-with-a-Phd-and-decades-of-peer-reviewed-evidence-and-meta-data-studies

Visit the GP and get some counselling to help you through the anxiety and paranoia, oh and get your whopping cough vaccine while you are there!

Yes the vaccine damage payment unit as paid out £74 million in compensation since its inception to well over 300 families. You need to be at least 60% damaged to make a claim and over the age of 2. If your child dies before that age you can't claim. It beggars belief that if you were even 59% damaged you won't get anything. I personally know of one lady who's son was severely damaged by the MMR and it took 18 YEARS for her to get compensation. My own cousin has chronic pancreatitis from the MMR ( a known adverse reaction). It does come with many risks. I come from a time when MMR did not exist. I only had OPV & DTP.. Funnily enough I still got whooping cough! I also had measles and so did the rest of my family & friends. This media frenzy is ridiculous! I've known more people have a reaction to the shot than to the actual measles. We are still lucky enough to be able to choose in this country.

Natural herd immunity yes. Artificial herd immunity is BS. I have natural immunity from whooping cough & measles because I had them as a child.

Having whooping cough does not give you natural immunity smh.

Oh but the vaccine does huh?? If you get the shot all that happens is you become a silent carrier if you come into contact with it again. ..Spreading it to others without knowledge. At least if you have whooping cough you know about it and stay at home keeping it away from other vulnerable people.

I caught mumps as an adult and it damaged my hearing. I was so happy when the mmr vaccine came out because it meant that most people wouldn't catch such awful illnesses. It makes me feel very sad to think that people would even consider not vaccinating their children.

Op, please discuss your concerns about vaccinations with someone who can give you all the facts. You need to put your trust in an expert who can tell you all the associated statistical risks of having a vaccine versus catching one of the preventable illnesses. Most hcp are happy to have this discussion because they know that a parents instincts are to keep their children from harm.

Op, just think about how much pressure the NHS is under and how short of money they are. Why do you think they are so keen to vaccinate everyone?

How about numerous exhausting, terrifying and violent fits on a daily basis? How about a lifetime of disability so severe your functioning level remains at roughly the same age as it was when you had your Vaccinations? Meaning you won’t get measles but nor will you ever have a vocabulary beyond ten words or so, you will never be continent, you will ever live independently, even in supported living, you will never walk, run, dance, sing, you will never have a good nights sleep, you will never leave home unless it’s to a Home with a capital h and you will never live anything even close to a normal life.

And that wasn't from MMR was it?

That is the kind of reaction a tiny number of people had to the measles vaccine.

And actually everything you describe could also be caused by measels.

“I use homeopathy mainly with much success”

Ah. Yes, I do find that a drink of water can often make a feverish child feel better. I give whole glasses of it though, so I do worry a bit about overdosing. But you have to weigh up the risks, and so far so good.

How old are you honeycomb?

The mumps vaccine isn’t great (it works ok in a population where there is circulating mumps, not so well when mumps stops circulating). Mumps in children is usually mild - a third of cases are completely asymotomatic. I would far rather my children had mumps in childhood than a vaccine that waned by early adulthood.

Introduction of mumps vaccine was fairly controversial (because of the above - usually mild in children, can be more serious in adults, vaccination may increase age at which people get mumps). You can read through the committee minutes of the time to see there were concerns. The argument for introducing mumps vaccination was largely economic and there were certainly reservations .

Do you know that Merck are currently going through court for falsifying data about mumps efficacy? The thing is with all this is that you cannot trust the manufacturers/vaccine makers. So how can we 100% trust what our Doctors say when they are continually lied to? We have to take matters into our own hands and do the research ourselves. Once we've looked at both sides thoroughly we can make an informed decision. There are risks on both sides of the coin

My own support of vaccination is partly based on having worked with a very talented young man born with a severe visual impairment that resulted from his un-vaccinated mother having contracted measles when she was pregnant with him.

My own daughter required vaccinations when the Wakefield hysteria was at its height. I thought of my partially sighted friend and took my daughter to the surgery.

I suppose that is largely the point. We all have our own experiences and our own personal things we have seen or heard of that can seem very close to home and as such act as a salutary reminder.

“We all have our own experiences and our own personal things we have seen or heard of that can seem very close to home and as such act as a salutary reminder.”

Which is why we need to look at data not anecdote.

Only if the data is trustworthy, Bertrand