Some reasons why vaccination should be questioned.

[Spidermama]

This isn't meant to cause a flare up but rather to put wome points across which rarely get aired in the usual run of things....

1. Micro-organisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites) do NOT cause diseases. They aid the cleaning-up process of healing.

1. Most micro-organisms associated with seriuos illnesses live within healthy people without causing any symptoms at all.

1. All so-called infectious diseases are the result of a toxic condition within the organ of the whole body (i.e. dis-ease.) The symptoms relate to the elimination effort by the body to return back to health.

1. Susceptibility to disease depends solely on the state of health of the body, NOT on the exposure to micro-organisms.

1. Natural immunity is not disease-specific; one does not need to have come in touch with all diseases in order to gain immunity against them.

1. The presence of antibodies is NOT an indication of immunity. They are only a small part of the blood immune response.

1. No vaccine containing 'pure' micro-organisms elicits an immune response. Only when a toxin is added to the vaccine does the body respond to it.

1. An unvaccinated child is NOT an unprotected child; it still has its natural immunity. Besides, trying to protect from soemthing that is not the cause is inappropriate.

1. The Lancet (12 Jan 1980) reported that the BCG vaccine, against TB, showed no evidence of protection but rtahter an increase in cases of TB.

10. Government statistics shwo that death rates of ALL infectious diseases have drastically fallen BEFORE the introduction of specific vaccinations. (Smallpox deaths rose by approx 275% immediately after the smallpox vaccination was enforced.)

HOWEVER... if you believe that vaccination gives you protection against infectious diseases, then it should not matter to you whether somebody else has been vaccinated or not.

(Compiled by Patrick Quanten, MD. Independent Health Advisor.)

Sorry spidermama but that's simply not true.
I work in international news and get regular updates from the WHO.
And don't start telling me taht the WHO is all part of a big pro-vaccine conspiracy working at the behest of big pharma.
I know lots of people taht work there and they are certainly not.

Expat: no I didn't see it-- but wish I had.
Saw lots of dead dogs foaming at the mouth when I was living in asia. It is/was absolutely terrifying. I always get a rabies jab when I go east!

global polio eradication update , with most cases in Nigeria

The clinic where the doctor was working was vaccinating sometimes up to 300 people a day!

And these were those who had already been bitten - they were coming in w/i 24 hours of being bitten.

Taht wasn't even the rabies ward, w/people actively dying from the virus.

Thanks bundle

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Have you tried ear candles then bundle? Or is Otex the only treatment possible for ear wax seeing as it has been produced by one of the major pharmaceuticals?

Given that incidences of ALL infectious diseases fell drastically BEFORE the introduction of specific vaccinations, why are people so utterly convinced that vaccination is this wonderful sacred cow which has wiped out so many diseases.

expat
I can't actually think of a worse way to die than rabies

Rabies is a different sort of vax isn't it? I'm not sure how it works but it is given to people who alread have the disease as a cure. Not to be confused with the debate about mass immunisation.

As i've said i think vaccination is a great thing but i am also aware that improved hygiene and sanitation plays a huge roll in disease iradication.
We have had vaccines for so long that we will never know how things would have been had vaccines not been introduced.
With the smallpox figures of a 275% rise in infection after the introduction must be due to the crude, unattenuated vaccines that were used then, I guess it was a learning curve.Fact of the matter is that smallpox, that once was everywhere, is now found nowhere naturally.

Ah but it's not just about ear wax, according to that site - it also cures allergies and cancer. (It's all to do with the aura, you see....)

Rabies is given as any other vax is given, as a preventative, if someone is in contact with rabies they have to receive rabies specific immunoglobulin within 24 hrs.

BTW Spidermama, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning vaccinations - as a very intrusive procedure that is forced on a lot of people and may well have side-effects for many people, it would be irresponsible not to keep an open mind to possibilities of problems with it.
I just don't find this guy very convincing.

No, rabies vaccination is given prophylactically in the West. They can give injections to help immediately after a bite but the vaccination here is precisely relevant to this argument.

No 1 on that list is such spectacularly ill-informed nonsense that I don't know where to start.

surely wax is there to protect the ears?

But then neither is Scarlet fever layla. It ran its course here with no vacination. So too did the bubonic plague. Hasn't this shown itself to be a pattern throughout history that diseases run their courses.

Vaccination seems to take an awful lot of undue credit.

It is indeed bundle. Helps stop insects, foreign bodies etc getting into the inner ear.

This paragraph is from a statement he issued in 2001

"I worked hard because I was convinced that Western Medicine could change. Now I know it can't. The change involved is a complete U-turn; the truth lies in the direction totally opposite to the one in which Western Medicine is going. As a direct result of that realisation I have to get of this wagon here and now. I can no longer justify being a member of this sect and I hereby resign my post as a medical doctor."

Also

"Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Astrology, as well as Ancient Medical systems, it was all explored in search of more complete answers."

As I said

Yes the bubonic plague 'ran its course'.
It also killed millions of people in an utterly horrible manner.
Surely better to vaccinate against these things than dying?
Sorry to me it's a no brainer.

If I am going to query vaccinations I won't be consulting this man.

Lots of things contribute to the rise and fall of different disease, such as reducing overcrowding, improved sanitation etc, oh and vaccinations.

Spidermama, i hear what you say but scarlet fever and plague are both alive and well, plague is especially virulent in places such as Vietnam and Cambodia.
Smallpox is gone.

Kathy I find many of the claims of the orthodox medical establishment deeply snort-worthy, but I think making purile jibes about them does nothing to further the debate.

I cannot agree with staement number one at all.

While it is true that not all bacteria are pathogenic (disease causing), all viruses are.

While you may well have an immune system that will sucessfully 'fight off' a bacteria, it is uter nonsense to sugest that the same bacteria might not be capable of causing a disease in annother person.

Number 6 is a gross oversimplification, almost to the point of being willfully misleading

For example you many well have fought off the TB bacteria, but TB is undoubtibly cause by a bacteria.

So pointing out some of his more, shall we say, arcane beliefs, counts as a puerile jab, does it?
Actually I think it is quite helpful to know where he is coming from.