Dear MNHQ why does this board exist?

[TalkinPeace]

Having the board encourages people to think that not vaccinating is a valid viewpoint.

"Children spread the disease to their pregnant mothers, or other pregnant women."
Only if their pregnant mothers/women are not immune.

"What do you think reduced CRS, Bumbley?"

Just answered this above.

Why do you think the MMR is the only way to protect your child against rubella?

"What's wrong the MMR, Bumbley?"

Nothing, if you want to vaccinate your children against all three diseases at once. Why?

As there were only 1 or 2 cases a year of babies with rubella in the whole of England and wales a year in the last 10 or so years, miraculously your two boys were those children

I thought we clarified that Bumbley doesn't actually know her children are immune to Rubella? I assume she didn't actually rely on swinging a pendulum around, but you never know with anti-vaxers.

Well yes Bumbley, sometimes immunity lapses, and as you are so very keen to point out, vaccines are not 100% effective.

Personally I think giving a child an exceptionally safe medical intervention to prevent them passing Rubella on, or indeed contracting it themselves, is a perfectly valid strategy.

Why wouldn't you want to protect children against 3 diseases at once? You just gave the impression that you weren't keen on the MMR Bumbley, that's all.

All this talk of triggering autism, you know :)

We weren't in England or Wales at the time :)

I don't actually know if the doctor reported them or not. As I said, he seemed a bit blasé about the whole thing. He may have even mentioned that it was 'going around' at the time. I wonder how many cases actually go completely unreported because it's so mild and people don't take their child to the GP to diagnose it.

"Why wouldn't you want to protect children against 3 diseases at once"

Some people choose not to and many of them have explained why on this thread.

I'm just at bumbley's dc both having rubella absolutely definitely, as confirmed absolutely definitely by the blasé doctor who may or may not have reported it. But they absolutely definitely didn't put any pregnant women at risk either, because, bumbley said so.

What else could I have done when they were < 1 anyway? Did you keep your babies away from pregnant women before you gave them the MMR?

Why do I get the impression that if I said they had developed some horrible complication from rubella and came on here to tell everyone how important it is to give the MMR at 12 months that you wouldn't be doubting me….

So you don't know that they're immune, OK.

I wasn't asking about them Bumbley, I was asking about you.

We do.

I already told you that I don't think it's necessary to vaccinate against mumps and rubella at 12-15 months. I said that at least twice on the other thread so I'm not sure why you needed to ask again.

Why do I get the impression that if I said they had developed some horrible complication from rubella and came on here to tell everyone how important it is to give the MMR at 12 months that you wouldn't be doubting me….

I think we would wonder where you had been to get rubella, but we would be less likely to doubt somebody advising MMR because their opinion would be backed up by research and the opinions of people who appear to know what they are talking about.

What else could I have done when they were < 1 anyway? Did you keep your babies away from pregnant women before you gave them the MMR?

You've just answered your own question about why children are now vaccinated for rubella at 12-15mths now - it's to stop rubella "going around" as your blasé doctor said. It's to eradicate the disease from the population.

Merry, did you vaccinate your children against chickenpox?

Um.. No, onholiday. It doesn't answer that question.

Could we ask your blasé doctor then?

Dear blasé doctor, should we be advising all pre-mmr babies to stay away away from pregnant women? Yours, onholidaybymistake.

Ooop, sorry. Put my foot right in it there, didn't I? Doctors don't know anything about vaccination or disease, do they?

Well what did your doctor tell you to do with your children before they had the mmr?

He didn't. He told me to turn up for their vaccinations, which I did.

What did your blasé doctor say when your children apparently actually had rubella?

Merry, did you vaccinate your children against chickenpox?

No, because it is not a standard NHS vaccination at the moment. Maybe there is an argument for universal vaccination against chickenpox - I don't know.

However, it does not follow that because chickenpox vaccinations are not part of the current public health programme, MMR vaccinations are a bad thing.

Research evolves, medicine changes. However, I will always go with the advice of respected scientists, doctors, epidemiologists and statisticians over a random person on the internet, particularly if they aren't making any kind of sensible argument.

So how do you know your children definitely had Rubella?

So your position is that you are against the MMR. Glad we've finally got a position from you on something!

Do you not believe the studies showing it's much more effective than single jabs at preventing outbreaks of Measles, Mumps and Rubella?

"should we be advising all pre-mmr babies to stay away away from pregnant women? Yours, onholidaybymistake."

If yours didn't advise you against this then why ask mine?

Hey holiday, we're all adults here. We can have a civilised discussion without the petty little jibes :)

Merry -
It's strange that people are so worried about pregnant women being put at risk of rubella because someone decides to delay the vaccination but they don't pay to have the CP vaccine even though CP can be a risk to pregnant women too.

I haven't said MMR is 'a bad thing'.

I don't see anyone here giving advice.

Still making things up I see Aly :)

Because yours my dear bumbley - actually had rubella. They definitely did. You said so.

Hey holiday, we're all adults here. We can have a civilised discussion without the petty little jibes smile

Still making things up I see Aly smile

LOL.