Declining 8 week vaccinations for my baby - experiences?

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I don't want this to be about whether you should or shouldn't vaccinate your baby. I have chosen not to and I'm looking for experiences from others who have done the same. What did you say? What did the doctor say? Did you discuss vaccination once the child was older or flat out decline all vaccines?

Good lord, Hak, that is a new low, even for you, in terms of misrepresentation (something at which you are quite practiced).

Are you really trying to paint yourself as the lone crusader of The Truth, in the face of all those horrible parents who pick you up on the wrong statements of fact that you make.

There is a clear causal link between vaccination and autism. It is rare. But it is there. I know this because I have an autistic vaccine damaged child. Medically accepted fact. Whether you like it or not.

And yes, I do believe it is breathtaking cruelty to dismiss what parents know to be true about their children. To deny that the cause of their childrens illness is what they know it to be. To deny, at times, that the children even exist at all (when you make your sweeping statements about "'no links between vaccines and autism).

I know this to be untrue, because I am currently sitting with my child. Who is larger than life, and very much here, and very much vaccine damaged, however uncomfortable that truth may be for you. Part of how that damage has manifested is autism. Another medically corroborated fact.

It isn't meant to be a silencing technique (and not sure how you can claim it as an 'effective' one since you clearly have not been silenced . Not really the harshest of comments, tbh, when you take a look at the kinds of comments that have been drained from the 'pro-vaxxers' side (using ' ' as I don't see it as 'sides' in the same way you do. I clearly do believe vaccination has a place in society - that's how my child ended up in the mess they are in)

Hardly
i dont spend whole threads making a fool of myself.

Have you had your chkldren vaccinated BM or are you going to ignore that question again.

Not evading it at all. I've answered it. You're just doing this thing again where you don't like my answer so you accuse me of not answering.

Earlier you said that the HPV vaccine was testing for pre-cancerous cell changes. Are you finally admitting that statement was incorrect? Or can you actually see the difference between testing for a virus and testing for cell changes?

Can't remember - might have just been giving information and it may have been this thread or another. I'm not sure what you consider 'anti-vac' tbh so I may have corrected a few on various things at one time or another. They do tend to have more accurate information about disease incidence and risk though than those you would consider 'pro-vac'.

No- it's not :) it's answering a question and I've clearly stated 'in susceptible individuals. Do you have a problem with your keyboard? You can't ever seem to type those extra three words.

Why would I admit to bring something I'm not?

I say plenty just not the things you accuse me off saying. More examples of those statements that you make and can't actually back up - misleading yes?

Are you denying under reporting? It is widely acknowledged. - it's recognised in that rotavirus paper that I linked to earlier.

Where did I say measles was harmless? Didn't say it never causes harm in healthy kids. You still haven't produced those mumps/rubella figures. Are you disagreeing with the official sources that state that mumps and rubella are usually mild in childhood?

Panda- are you saying that it is "breathtakingly cruel" not to accept at face value what you say caused your child's problems? That dispite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, we should accept that vaccination can cause autism because you say so?

Aloysha
why did you think LaVolcan was anti-vax? Was it because (whispers) she only ever questions vaccines and never ever talks about the good they have done?!

Perhaps you would trouble yourself to find my postings about rubella, before making sweeping statements.

there is evidence to over reporting of serious side effects, to create a case for suing. I have linked to it before.

I cant find where bm has reported her children vaccination status can someone please point it out to me.

There is also a case of over reporting of serious side effects. Lawyers make reports to create a case for compensation . i have link to that research a few times in other threads.

can someone please point me to where BM advised her childrens vaccination status?

Thisismypassword- I've reported that. Very unhelpful.

Will reply in full later Bumbley.

Why did you think LaVolcan was antivax?

Please stop flogging a dead horse, Alyosha - you made the statement that I was anti-vaccine, making it look as though you haven;t read my posts.

bruffin
There is also a case of over reporting of serious side effects. Lawyers make reports to create a case for compensation . i have link to that research a few times in other threads.

'Over reporting' for which vaccines and where do you think it's happened?

I cant find where bm has reported her children vaccination status can someone please point it out to me.

How strange to think that a poster should be obliged to provide such details.

Aly - what crap?

No. I just know you consider anti-vac just like me. As I said in post to her - I know she's not actually anti-vac. Fairly clear from her posts but then you think I'm anti-vac too so..,

Oh bruffin you always make me :) As always, I'm happy for you to point out where I've given inaccurate information.

Are you denying under reporting of reactions too bruffin?

? I asked BM to give an example of where she questioned or corrected and anti vac person. She mentioned you...BM said you were anti vac LaV not me! Although I think you are anti V too. Something me and clearly agree on :D

I just know you consider LaV anti-vax just like me*

As I said Alyosha - please stop flogging a dead horse. You can think what you like as to my opinions. They happen to be wrong, but please yourself.

So you don't consider her anti-vac then Aly? I thought you did. :)

I give you Gold in the back peddling Olympics BM!

You're both clearly anti vax.

Interesting to see you take the Tony Blair route, BM.

Not back-pedalling at all. I apologised to LaV for referring to her as anti-vax when I know that she, like me, is not.

Personally, I don't care if you call me anti-vac, as I said earlier in the thread. You're wrong but hey - when has it stopped you before? :)

Looking forward to your responses.

I suspect that you never studied law Alyosha. When I did a law course, students who said 'clearly', 'obviously' were pulled up sharply by the tutor.

[It's because people think it's clear and obvious that some lawyers get rich IMO, but off topic.]

bm
do you deny over reporting happens as well. you keep going on about under reportong but you know full well that over reporting happens or at least you would know if you were interested in the whole story. There are reports thst are correlation not causation, and as said before reports to create legals cases etc Of course there is under reporting espcially , everybody knows that tetanus gives you a sore arm, do you really expect everyone to report it after all these years. the cdc talk about under reporting and over reporting
fascicle

why wouldnt someone say what their childrens vaccine status is, if they claim to neutral despite evidence of an antivax tendancy, it is highly relevant.

I am still waiting for an explanation of how I have been "breathtakingly cruel". But as usual, people come in, fling accusations about and leave. Pretty despicable behaviour, in my opinion. Not doing their cause much good at all.

I suppose bumbly mummy's like the "poor bloody infantry" of the movement, plodding on, loyally trying to chip away at the increasingly strong fortress of evidence and truth, and Panda and fasicle are like fighter planes- zooming in, spraying some tracer bullets about and zooming off into the sun.

bruffin Can't find any reference to 'over reporting' in relation to making a legal claim. Presumably you are not talking about the UK.

why wouldnt someone say what their childrens vaccine status is, if they claim to neutral despite evidence of an antivax tendancy, it is highly relevant.

It's not something anybody is required to share and the need to label people 'antivax' is beyond me.

Bruffin, in what context? I'd be happy to read those papers you mentioned about over reporting. The ones I've read (and linked to) show that under reporting of reactions is a recognised issue and a genuine concern. It isn't just minor reactions that are under reported either - there are links up thread if you're interested.

If you're talking about over reporting of reactions does that mean that the GPs/medical professionals are giving inaccurate information to allow people to claim?

LaV has said that she has vaccinated her children and yet Aly still thinks that she is 'anti-vax' so I don't actually think it is relevant.