Declining 8 week vaccinations for my baby - experiences?

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I don't want this to be about whether you should or shouldn't vaccinate your baby. I have chosen not to and I'm looking for experiences from others who have done the same. What did you say? What did the doctor say? Did you discuss vaccination once the child was older or flat out decline all vaccines?

Well my nanny just resigned after one week as she didn't believe it was right to medicate or vaccinate babies. She was horrified when I gave my 5-month old Calpol to reduce temperature and said I should just take her for a walk in the fresh air.
She is available if any if you want her?? Sounds right up your street.

GPs are often not the best HCPs to discuss immunisations with.

They're not giving them, so many will refer you to the practice nurse if you have questions as they are the ones giving the vaccines weekly, attending regular updates, discussing the vaccines with the parents and are aware of what they are giving, why and what to expect afterwards.

In many areas HVs don't give any vaccines either so are not necessarily a good source of advice.

the tb test was always a bit unreliable so it could just have been a false positive.

How is it that so many in the past, before vaccines, who were fully breastfed and had mothers with natural immunity, plenty of fresh air and exercise, good diet, still managed to contract these diseases? It's even happening now. The mind boggles.

Vlad and Greenfizzywater it's fantastic to see you here, speaking sense.

I can't, in all good conscience, potentially risk my child by allowing someone else to stick a needle into my child.

SideOfFoot but you are fine, in all good conscience, with risking the health and lives of vulnerable, immuno-compromised babies and children by not vaccinating your child? Herd immunity is a thing.

Is the point of the hpv jabs not to give them to your daughter before they become sexually active/ before they loose their virginity in secret behind your back and deny all carnal knowledge? I think they should be starting it earlier, here you get (three I think?) jabs, spaced a few years apart and many girls have sex before the last jab. I have only ever refused one jab since I found out I was pregnant, and that was the swine flu jab while I was pregnant. Got a lot of grief over not getting it from dr's, but swine flu had only been around a few months, and I didn't think there had been enough research on the effects on a foetus. So although my ds has been fully vaccinated (to nhs schedule) since he was born, I understand the frustration of having dr's try to talk you into something you have researched and aren't comfortable with. Just look at Phocomelia (birth defects) caused by Thalidomide given to pregnant women in the 60's. Sometimes when things aren't researched properly, it can cause devastating consequences. I knew there was a risk that vaccines could cause autism etc, but I risked it. I can understand why others wouldn't.

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Or someone else passing the disease to your child, which may require a great number of needles administered by 'someone' to treat the disease, at the least?

Genuine question for the non vaccinations people - do you 'have to' declare your children's non vaccinated status at playgroups, nursery, presumably school?

I ask as my DD has compromised immunity through chemo and I'd worry in these situations. Not to imply your children are putting her in danger, but perhaps along the lines that id like to be informed. Hope that makes sense?

Lovelychops- my understanding is that non vaccinators will say that they are very sorry, but the health of your child is your responsibility, not theirs. It's breathtaking.

Plus my mother had German measles when she was a child, nearly died, and it damaged her eyesight so badly she has had to wear glasses since. Which made me very pro my ds having the mmr jab.

SideOfFoot may not have a problem with the needle itself but with the active part she is playing in doing something for to her child. Not vaccinating and leaving it to chance means whatever happens, SideOfFoot didn't actively cause it. So if the child becomes ill she cannot be blamed for it.

It's a bit like the old runaway train dilemma. Leave the truck to hurtle down the track into a group of ten people, or pull the switch meaning the truck goes down the track with just two people on it.

Wow Haklyut that's staggering. Really upsetting if that's the case. It's not my responsibility my daughter got ill.

My mother lost a significant amount of hearing in her left ear from measles when she was 7. She considers herself lucky, two of her classmates died from it. She also has permanent lung damage from whooping cough that is now causing a lot of trouble.

I'm quite, quite flabbergasted. This sounds like the same quality of research quoted at DH by patients who refuse to use fluoride toothpaste on their children and think fluoridation of water amounts to state sponsored poisoning.

Fair enough to follow whatever bad science you want as an adult but to inflict this crap on DC's is unconscionable

Unless there is a clear medical reason NOT to vaccinate, all of you lot who have refused vaccinations ought to have been forced to vaccinate.

Vaccinations should not be voluntary. It simply clears the ways for lunatics to damage both their own children and other children around them.

Vaccinating should be a legal requirement.

Really interesting thread. My children have both been immunised to NHS schedule (save that MMR and something else were to be given at same time and I asked for MMR first and other top up one 6 weeks later). I researched vaccinations as grandma is mental and believes the daily mail and found over whelming evidence that in most cases vaccines are safe and vaccination is to be promoted. I wonder what research the non-vaccinators found. There was a tragic news story last week about measles outbreak in Germany and the death of an unvaccinated toddler. Will try to find link.

Yep, Gobb, then it's the child who winds up in hospital having to have a GA (and lots of needles) to have teeth pulled. Not to mention all the pain that goes with it.

Everyone knows the NHS wants to poison children. Why wouldn't they?

news.sky.com/story/1432724/toddler-dies-in-germany-measles-outbreak

*I should have said in my pp, I feel that from what I have read, with the likes of the mmr jab, there has been enough proper research done that I felt they were safe for my ds to have, that enough time has passed since they introduced them with no definite serious side effects, that they were worth it (they never have proved the autism link?). But that's just my opinion.

Have any of you anti-vax people ever heard of herd immunity? Do you even care?

aattp.org/this-magnificent-comic-strip-lays-waste-to-the-anti-vaxxer-movement-so-completely-it-may-never-recover/

Read this - then come back with a reasonable and logical argument as to why you wouldn't/haven't vaccinated your kids.

People are so ignorant!

wonky mrsmorton

The BCG (TB vax) is no longer routinely given to UK kids. The only ones who get it are high risk groups (eg those who visit places like Pakistan regularly).

Of all the diseases there are vaccines for TB is the one I'd be most scared of my DCs contracting. It is far more dangerous than the rest. This new policy shows how haphazard the UK's vax policy is.

To answer the question about unvaccinated DCs being around immune suppressed DCs, I'd say it's rather futile considering the low success rate of many vaccines. Mmr I think is only 85% after the first one. So those 15% of DCs are just as much of a danger to immune suppressed DCs as the tiny number of unvaxed ones (who are at least aware of their immune status).