MMR - is anyone here absolutely convinced that mmr caused autism/adverse reaction to a child they know?

[Jahan]

I don't want to start an mmr debate. I'm just interested in that question.

Currentbun you and I think the same on all these issues

dd1 reacted to peanuts the week after her MMR (aged 2). She had been eating peanut butter sandwiches for a few months previous to that. Co-incidence? I don't believe it. But a lot of Drs have said so. And then I had one tell me that increased allergies are common after MMR vaccination.

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I didn't realise that about MMR/allergies

I'm deffo sticking to the single jabs and will avoid the chickenpox jab as completely uneccessary

OK, just to balance some of the comment on this thread about the "mildness" of these diseases:
a relative of mine died from measles as a child. his mother is still, obviously, bearing the scars of that loss.
I have a cousin who is very severely disabled because her mother contracted rubella while in the very early stages of being pregnant. rubella is a very silent disease and often presents with very mild symptoms, so keeping a child with rubella away from pregnant women is not always possible.

as I have posted before, my niece was hospitalised with chickenpox and ended up in intensive care. the doctors told us at that time that if she was to contract measles that wold likely be fatal for her. measles can be a very serious illness for vulnerable people - the elderly and those with compromised immune systems for example.

I don't know where the idea comes from taht measles mumps and rubella are harmless childhood illnesses.
They can kill and maim
The chances of serious complications resulting from the diseases are far far higher than from the jabs.
That's why I got my dd vaccinated.

Sorry to hear about these horrible events Harpsi. it is however, extemely rare. I can't remember the exact statistics, but the risk of death or serious injury was very small. There are always going to be some really unfortunate children that will really suffer or die due to these diseases, but they are thank heavens in a very small minority.

I totally think there is a link with the MMR and autism in some children, a friend of the family has a son 9m older than my ds, making him 8 and this little boy was absolutely fine until he had the MMR at 15m, later that eve he was fitting with high temp and was taken to hosp for 2 days, he stopped babbling things like mum and dad, and has bowel probs, this all happened after the MMR. I waited until ds was 2 before he had it, thankfully i knew by then he did not have autism, he then had the booster later as well. This little boy is 8 and can't speak at all.

as far as i am aware they do not kill here in the west unless there are other health issues.

kittywits, I have done the research, and I know about the risks.
I am well aware of the relative risks.
this thread includes lots of anecdotes about how people caught measles and they were fine.
if you want anecdotal evidence and if you find it relevant, then I think it is important to hear both sides and a variety of experiences.
tbh I find the research more compelling, but obviously experiences colour people's actions too.

Absolutely harpsichord.

I don't trust any statistics thrown about by this government at all. Most healthy children, with good immune systems will not have any long term problems from m.m or r.
I do not trust any research done by large pharmaceutical companies with a vested interest in pushing vaccines.
For those who are interested in research into the "effectivness" of vaccines, you might like to have a look at this

My sil's mother had rubella when pregnant and my sil is completely deaf, among a number of other problems. It has had a profound impact on her life and that of her family. My mother had measles at the age of 8, was extremely ill, hospitalised for a time and had her eyesight compromised/weakened.

I am not commenting in any way on anyone else's views on jabs, just commenting!

Having known people whose children have been affected by MMR, I'd rather just use the single jabs; which results in immunisation without the risk of an MMR reaction. My children both have ecsma and we have a lot of asthma in the family - as I said earlier on the thread, when we were children, kids with ecsma etc weren't given jabs anyway; due to the risk of a side effect from the vaccines.

I would always trust personal experiences above government statistics - specially with regard to medicines. My mum was offered thalidamide when pregnant and told it was 1000% safe...just like we've been told that aspartame etc are safe . OK aspartame is not a medicine, but the point is that large commercial companies can and do affect government policy and its naive to think they don't.

there will always be those who suffer complications as a result of usually 'minor' illness,and things like chickenpox etc tend to be worse the older the child is.i know what its like to have a child go through a major illness,my dd2 was 11 days old when she was admitted to hospital with bronchiollitis,a very common infection in babies,but most of the mums (and there were loads)bringing their sick babies into the hospital had never even heard of it.most of the babies just needed some oxygen for a couple of days but dd2 suffered complications and had to be taken to an intensive care unit 200 miles away.
why is it that u only seem to hear about the childhood diseases they have vaccines for?hmmmm.
what happened to the rubella vaccination girls used to get in the first year seniors?do they still do that?

Hi Diva

Girls can still get the rubella at puberty can't hey ? - but only if they don't have immunity. Our last GP was lovely and gave DS the single rubella jab at 18 months, so we could get it free on NHS rather than having to pay. His atitude was that if we didn't want MMR, it was fine to have singles.

I find it shocking that people consider diseases like measles to be "minor illnesses". The reason why people don't see the devostating effects of measles is because they have, up until recently, been more or less iradicated by vaxination.

I absolutely believe that peoples' concerns about mmr should be taken seriously, and that people should be offered single jabs if that is their preference, but I think not vaxinating at all is irresponsible. measles does cause severe disability and even death, if you don't vaxinate a child in some way, you could be responsible for your child spreading a disease and causing death to another, or severe disability to an unborn baby if your child passes on rubella. I don't think people should be forced to have the mmr, but I do think people should vaxinate, unless their child is deemed to be at greater risk, i.e. has compromised imune system etc, there are others on here who can word that imunity bit better than i can but .. has alergies/exema etc.

I do not personally know anyone who has had an adverse reaction from MMR (or other vaccines)

I have worked with two adults who are respectively blind and profoundly deaf as a result of childhood measles.

The statistical likeihood of either MMR damage or serious disease-related damage are both small. But sionce the diseases, if caught, will always pose a risk, I think the gvt should take an honest and constructive approach to the risk of vaccine damage - so that vaccination can become far far safer.

JimJams says it and keeps saying it: the risk of vaccination damage is NOT totally random. There are factors which increase risk. Work neds to be done to define and refine that risk, and then alleviate it.

The risk from the disease will always, presumably, be random.

hello blu

not random i don't think.

very healthy immune systems tend to fight diseases better.

that's the worry about vax. that they do not allow an extremely young immune system to develop. 8 week babies menigitis jab now is it? (not sure about this, is that what i heard on the radio today? did i hear right?)

it really worries me.

Wannabe1074. It is simply not true that measels was erradicated by vaccines. It is very well docummented that by 1970 BEFORE vaccines were introduced that incidences of death and serious damage by measels had been reduced by 95% and this was done through better diet, health and housing and clean water.

kittywits - I think you may be suffering under a misapprehension about something
the point of vaccinating against rubella is not to protect the child against german measles, as I understand it. you are right that most children with healthy immune systems will not have ill effects rfom contracting rubella.
there is a larger issue, which is to prevent the very serious consequences of ppregnant women contracting rubella.
I think that not trusting every statistic the government "throws around" is just as naive as trusting everything you are told. obviously not all "statistics" or "research" emanates from the government,and to suggest that all research and information provided is part of a conspiracy seems a little far fetched. surely you can't believe that everyone in the medical profession in the government's willing patsy?

Fortunately for mf and my children Harpsi I suffer from absolutely no misapprehensions atall. That is why my children are not vaccinated.
It IS unfortunate that so many people have been taken in by the vaccination myth, perhaps one day the truth about the damage they do will be exposed. Until that time I stick to my guns.

btw you have a point about rubella and pregnant woman. I think there is a case for offering the vaccine to girls in secondary school, as used to be done. But giving it to a very small children/babies is a reall no no for me.

Andrew Wakefield wasn't a government patsy and look what happened to him.....