MMR - is anyone here absolutely convinced that mmr caused autism/adverse reaction to a child they know?

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I don't want to start an mmr debate. I'm just interested in that question.

Sorry, replied to fatfox.

None of the children I worked with had the booster as no parent would risk further damage, I'm sure you can understand. My dd had no reaction to the booster but she was 5.

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hhhmmm _ I left realy huge gaps even between each single jab, as I was so worried about the cumulative effect of all the jobs. Hence DS still having jabs at 6

We had to go to a private gp for the singles who was 60 miles away and charged a fortune (though a lot less than some others) - he advised us to leave about 2 months between each jab (these are the initial ones). I would have been worried about longer gaps if there had been outbreaks of the diseases nearby; there weren't. My own opinion is that the mmr is done far too young (dd was 11m when called in for hers, which I refused). I can only say that the kids I know who had it when they were older were OK but that's only the kids I know.

fatfox, you say that there is talk of the booster causing problems. Tell me more! What sort of age did they have initial jabs? What sort of gap between the first and the booster? Can you point me somewhere I can find out?

unlicensed, but for political reasons.

In the interests of balance, I'd just like to answer the OP's question with a no.

the pharaceutical companies haven't requested a licence for their single jabs so they are unlicensed. I have a long reply somewhere from a dept of health official, but the vague gist was that no licence has been requested.

The strains used in the single jabs are used in the MMR.

The likelihood of imporvement following an adverse reaction to the MMR and development of autistic like symptoms has been shown to be vrand specific. AFAIK the "worst" brand is no longer used in the UK.

Cassoulet - I read it about two years ago - it may have been on the JABS website? You could try googling MMR booster autism and see what comes up. I may try and have a look if I can get off MN

Thanks fatfox, I'll try that myself tomorrow when I'm more awake. Bedtime now.

From this link here you can download a Wakefield powerpoint presentation from earlier this year. Although obvioulsy you miss bits with it just being slides it's possible to get the main points of his talk.

Makes for interesting reading.

Thanks JimJams

I know that this isn't entirely relevant to the op but I feel that I must respond to kittywits post: "A nurse at the doctors taday was telling me that they are introducing even more jabs, the next lot are against pneumonia and other such unecessary stuff ."

The pneumovax/prevenar jab will prevent children dying and acquiring severe neurological damage from pneumococcal meningitis as well as protecting against pneumococcal pneumonia. IMO it is hardly unnecessary.

Ladida it is of course your right to your opinion. In my opinion there is a culture of panic. The occurances of death by pneumonia, measels and other such illnesses in healthy children is very very small. The harm we do to a child's system in order to "avoid" an illness that they probably won't get and if they do the majority will come through unharmed does not imo jusity the jabs.
Meningitis is a different kettle of fish, I agree that if a single jab was offered to protect against that possibility then I would indeed consider it.

sorry meant ladidadi!

so, can anyone tell me, is the booster just an exact repeat of the first dose? is it to get the few that it ndidn't ork on the first time or are they not covered unless to doses have been given?

ds2 was poorly after the first mmr, high temp, rash etc and was out of sorts for a while afterwards. i noticed his reading at school seemed to regress for about 3 weeks. i don't know if it was just coincidence but it put me off giving him the booster.

he has a low immune system though so i am also really worried about him catching measles too...can't win!

In that case kittywits I suggest that you read very carefully the available information about pneumococcal meningitis and the jab to prevent it .

Sorry, thread hijack over .

i havent read all of this thread,but i just wanted to add my experiences.ds1 is waiting to ba assessed for asd(he is 8)he had the mmr at 15 months,and was developing normally till then,but started to develop speech and behavioural problems afterwards.ds2 had the mmr at 2.3,and was ill for 6 months after with chest infections,ear infections,tummy bugs etc.he is now lactose intolerant,even though he was fine before the mmr!
dd2 has had the baby vaccines but she wont be having any others.one of the new ones i think is hib,but she had,amongst other things,hib infection when she was 11 days old(long story)i asked the hv why she would need the vaccine when she'd had the infection but she couldnt give me an answer.
all i know about measles is that i had it when i was 3 months old and i didnt suffer any long term health problems.i also had mumps when i was 4 and i dont even remember feeling ill.
i think doctors forcing vaccinations on ppl is more to do with the all-powerful pharmeseutical industry's profits than it is to do with concern about the nations health

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Diva - totally agree with your last para'

Cheery - yes, the booster is used in order to cover any children who may not have gained immunity from the first MMR. It is an exact repeat of he first MMR. If you want to avoid the risk of another bad reaction to MMR, probably the best thing to do is get a blood test to see if your kiddies are immune from M, M and R. If they are, you won't need the second MMR anyway. If they're not immune yet, you could always go for single jabs.

Have just read down the thread and I totally agree with Kittywits about the jabs - there seems to be mild hysteria regarding many minor diseases. We all had M, M and R as kids and they were minor illnesses and I can't believe we are to be encouraged to vaccinated our children against Chickenpox!! Really!! Although I do agree meningitis is worth getting vaccinated against, as it is often fatal. Lets just hope the meningitis jab isn't overloaded with too many other vaccines at the same time and we can get a single meningits jab on the NHS in future

Fatfox I think this panic also extends into everyday life. There's such an obsession with keeping everything spotless and germ free. How is a child supposed to build up an immune system if they are not exposed to germs?
This might be ironical but the parents I know who are most obsessed with dirt are the ones whose children seem to catch the colds and other illnesses.

Kittywits - I agree - our house is filthy and we never get sick

Seriously, I let the kiddies pick up food from the floor and eat it if they've dropped it - in the house that is, not outside! I am neurotic about dog poo though -

Our kiddies are due for their single rubella jabs next week

Totally agree with the fact that there is over-obession these days with hygiene and being germ-free. I for one am not going to Dettox my home to the point of sterility when my baby is born next year. How will its immune system develop properly if it never exposed to anything?

I think it's very unlikely that I will get the MMR done. I also had measles as a child, avoided mumps (although my brother had it and had a fit in the doctors' surgery - scared my mum to death, but he recovered fine and it did no long-term damage) and was vaccinated against rubella at age 11. I have never had any health issues as a result of having measles - to be honest, I don't even remember it. I remember having chickenpox at 14 which was horrible, but again I wouldn't vaccinate a child against it.

I would definitely consider a vaccination against meningitis though, and would encourage a BCG vaccination later on - do children still have this done through their schools? This is not meant to sound prejudiced but with so many immigrants pouring into this country there has been a significant increase in the number of cases of TB in recent years, especially in major cities.

everyone saying these illnesses are harmless etc, please bear a thought for my dh who will be on immuno suppressents after his transplant, and will be very vunerable to these illnesses.

btw, my dd2 had her MMR late, already had AS traits then, dd3 will be having hers late as well.